Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Lynda2475]

Some interesting facts from the latest NSW Health Weekly Covid Surveillance Report for period ending 25th Dec 2021.

In NSW since the start of the pandemic, 0.7% of cases (654 people) have died.
• This includes 106 residents of aged care facilities.
• 2% (14/654) of the deaths had infections that were overseas acquired.
• 70.2% (420/598) of the deaths since 16 June 2021 had not received an effective vaccine dose (see Table 5).
• The median delay between a person becoming ill and death was 11 days.
• In the week ending 25 December, there were 8 deaths in people diagnosed with COVID-19, including o 6 people who were fully vaccinated (two aged 90+ years, three in their 80s and one in their 70s), o 2 people who had received no effective dose (one in their 40s and one in their 70s).
• The majority of deaths since 16 June 2021 have occurred in hospital (518/598, 87%).
• Among deaths occurring at home, the majority (26/42, 62%) were diagnosed after death.

During Dec averaging 120 overseas acquired cases per week, so pre-departure testing is still missing some cases.

 

[CaptainCurtis]

• Among deaths occurring at home, the majority (26/42, 62%) were diagnosed after death.

That is incredibly interesting (and sad). Is there any insight into what's causing this? Are people passing away that quickly or is there a reluctance to seek care in certain people?

 

[Lynda2475]

That is incredibly interesting (and sad). Is there any insight into what's causing this? Are people passing away that quickly or is there a reluctance to seek care in certain people?

Note that stat is died with Covid not necessarily from Covid (a problem with reporting). So they could have died of a drug overdose or from a fall or heart attack and also just happened to have asymptomatic covid.

There have only been 2 cases Ive seen reported in the media where people who knew they had covid died suddenly at home.

 

[dajop]

During Dec averaging 120 overseas acquired cases per week, so pre-departure testing is still missing some cases.

With testing allowed up to 72hrs before departure of first flight, plus travel times which could be up to 30hrs if there’s a long connection, that gives up to 4.5 days to become infected even if testing negative initially. And then there’s still the possibility of fraudulent documentation.

 

[MARTINE]

Anecdotally, I have spent some time back in hospital this week, admitted to the cardiac ward of a private Sydney hospital through their emergency department. For what it's worth, based on everything I observed and overheard I would guess that every second person arriving to emergency was COVID positive, with around half of these presenting with non-COVID symptoms (e.g. broken leg) and the other half presenting with COVID-like symptoms (e.g. difficulty breathing).

The emergency department felt somewhat busy/chaotic, but at least appeared organised (from my medically untrained perspective). Presenting with my ongoing cardiac issues, I was taken straight to a bed in emergency, so I assume no major issues in finding beds when needed. After this, the team ran their tests and determined that I was in a stable condition. Based on this, the team politely explained that there would be some delays in coming up with a treatment plan and ultimately in finding and transferring me to a bed in the cardiac ward. I was, of course, completely understanding of this.

Funnily enough, I overheard one of the nurses (jokingly) saying she wished she would catch the virus so that she could have some time off work

In my view, those with major, but non-urgent health issues are being majorly impacted by the pandemic. And this isn't just with respect to elective surgery being postponed.

Wishing you all the best for good health

 

[clifford]

During Dec averaging 120 overseas acquired cases per week, so pre-departure testing is still missing some cases.

Perhaps this article might throw a little light on what might be going on:

78% Of People On Flight Test Positive For COVID-19 (WHAT?!?)

A charter flight from Milan to Amritsar had 125 of 160 adults onboard test positive for coronavirus upon arrival. How is this possible?

click.mlsend.com

 

[CaptainCurtis]

Note that stat is died with Covid not necessarily from Covid (a problem with reporting). So they could have died of a drug overdose or from a fall or heart attack and als just happened to also have asymptomatic covide.

Ahh yes that makes sense.

There have only been 2 cases Ive seen reported in the media where people who knew they had covid died suddenly at home.

Those were the cases I could recall, so was somewhat concerned to see the higher number mentioned, but the 'with' and 'from' distinction explains this.

 

[jakeseven7]

That is incredibly interesting (and sad). Is there any insight into what's causing this? Are people passing away that quickly or is there a reluctance to seek care in certain people?

People die all the time with 'other stuff' e.g. have a heart attack but also had the flu at the same time. Related? Sometimes no sometimes yes.

Someone else posted about that 20 something year old guy who died in Sydney. They've now come out and said with no significant underlying which means there actually was underlyings which is a change from what was initially reported.... I would not be surprised at all if there was something more lurking undetected / unknown to him sadly. Again, that happens from time to time.

 

[exceladdict]

Interestingly, it is moving into line with what they were proposing for Feb 5. Which makes me wonder if they will remove the remaining requirements at all.

I think it's unlikely. Will be interesting to see how the new check in / vaccine proof app facilitates it all though.

Perhaps this article might throw a little light on what might be going on:

78% Of People On Flight Test Positive For COVID-19 (WHAT?!?)

A charter flight from Milan to Amritsar had 125 of 160 adults onboard test positive for coronavirus upon arrival. How is this possible?

click.mlsend.com

And I think this is why Mark will keep on arrival testing in WA, especially if pre departure PCRs are no longer permitted.

 

[Milboo]

People die all the time with 'other stuff' e.g. have a heart attack but also had the flu at the same time. Related? Sometimes no sometimes yes.

Someone else posted about that 20 something year old guy who died in Sydney. They've now come out and said with no significant underlying which means there actually was underlyings which is a change from what was initially reported.... I would not be surprised at all if there was something more lurking undetected / unknown to him sadly. Again, that happens from time to time.

I’d honed in on the use of no significant too. Less interesting story for the media now…

 

[Quickstatus]

Next door neighbour told me he has waited 11 days for Covid test result. He is still worried and won’t de-isolate.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Perhaps this article might throw a little light on what might be going on:

78% Of People On Flight Test Positive For COVID-19 (WHAT?!?)

A charter flight from Milan to Amritsar had 125 of 160 adults onboard test positive for coronavirus upon arrival. How is this possible?

click.mlsend.com

If I was asymptomatic and facing at least 2 weeks in a foreign country. I would be pretty tempted to just get a fake really...

 

[Quickstatus]

the team ran their tests and determined that I was in a stable conditio

I assume they found the heart

 

[Quickstatus]

Lets agree that CovidVax reduces infection, lessens the severity of the disease, reduces risk of death and to some extent transmission and there is lots of data to back that up.

But what is the actual data that says excluding the unvaccinated reduces Covid transmission

Here is an interesting paper

Here is a basic explanation. We know that aspirin reduces cardiovascular disease But what is the number of people needed to treat NNT to prevent one heart attack. The NNT For this is low enough that aspirin is not recommended for all adults as it does not outweigh the risks of aspirin.

So what is the number of unvaxxed needed to exclude NNE from each social setting to prevent the transmission of 1 Covid infection. This paper suggests it is may not be worth the social dislocation/disruption etc of vaccine mandates/passports.

Interesting reading in the context of Djoko and high levels of CovidJab2

As the quantitative data supporting excluding of the unvaxxed is not necessarily there and policies such as vaccine mandates/passports/ may be not based not on science but rather “I’ve had to do it , so must you”. In other words - not based on science.

Do all policies have to be based on science?. No but until now everything about this pandemic has been purportedly based on science

 

[jakeseven7]

No but until now everything about this pandemic has been purportedly based on science

Friday night jokes

 

[Amanad78]

With testing allowed up to 72hrs before departure of first flight, plus travel times which could be up to 30hrs if there’s a long connection, that gives up to 4.5 days to become infected even if testing negative initially. And then there’s still the possibility of fraudulent documentation.

Yes, I had a neg pcr on Monday in uk, left Thursday and am currently in syd and will transit to bne in the morning (Saturday). 4 flights, 5 airports

 

[Pushka]

Yes, I had a neg pcr on Monday in uk, left Thursday and am currently in syd and will transit to bne in the morning (Saturday). 4 flights, 5 airports

Son DIL and infant grandson arrived into Melb last night from UK, then an hour flight to SA then an hour drive home last night. I expect they will be completely washed out for days.

How is your daughter now?

 

[MARTINE]

Son DIL and infant grandson arrived into Melb last night from UK, then an hour flight to SA then an hour drive home last night. I expect they will be completely washed out for days.

How is your daughter now?

…wishing happy times for all the reunited AFF families and that others are reunited soon..

 

[lovetravellingoz]

NSW yesterday followed Vic and Tas in adopting reporting of RATs.

 

[ellen10]

Son and partner flew to Melbourne from Sydney last weekend, had negative RAT test before they left . But were going to visit friends today and took a precautionary RAT test which has come back positive. Oh dear, they only have one RAT test left. So are stuck and will have to change flights and wait out the iso process