Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Gremlin]

Sorry but there is a link between the BLM positive cases and the Towers.That was confirmed by Australia's CMO.

Sorry. Can you please show where that's the case? I've read over past transcripts from the National COVID Updates and the only thing I could find was the following from Dr Nick Coatsworth.

NICK COATSWORTH:

So, the contact tracing, as you know, is a very rigorous process. ... But there is no evidence from the extensive investigation that Victoria has undertaken that those cases are linked to the Black Lives Matter protest.

The only other 'sources' I found were the Australian article which suggested that it was and a Channel 7 story which quoted an unnamed Department of Health and Human Services spokesman that said it wasn't. In the absence of unnamed sources on both sides, I'm going with Dr Coatsworth.

 

[RooFlyer]

Good on the Tas Premier ... now SA Premier Steve Marshall's bestie:

Full steam ahead on local Bass Strait ferry build to counter coronavirus recession

Tasmania has scrapped plans to build two new Bass Strait ferries in Europe, and will instead look to complete the $850m build in Australia to counter COVID-19 recession impacts.

The Prime Minister is said to be “very keen” for the surprise move, and the federal government will join a task force to identify if and where capacity exists to build the two new passenger and vehicle ferries in Australia.
...
With Tasmania currently lacking the ability to build the kind of vessel envisaged, Mr Gutwein suggested other states, particularly, South Australia, may benefit.
...
South Australian Premier Steven Marshall was aware of the decision and was “very keen on having a discussion” about how the two states might work together on a build.

Mr Gutwein has overruled the state-owned TT-Line, which had entered into a memorandum of understanding for the build with Finnish company Rauma Marine Constructions.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Black Lives Matter protests, a Covid-19 outbreak and the 'link' that didn't exist
17 July
Amanda Meade

Black Lives Matter protests, a Covid-19 outbreak and the 'link' that didn't exist | Weekly Beast

Victoria’s health department knocks down News Corp’s ‘scoop’. Plus, why Ita Buttrose is disappointed

www.theguardian.com

If anyone has an actual link, that proves there was an infection link can they please post it? I cannot find any myself.

 

[RooFlyer]

The Guardian? But I'm sorry to read that Ita is 'disappointed' and this from the Guardian:

Baxendale stands by her story, saying it was “meticulously researched and carefully written and the facts within it have not been disputed by DHHS”.

 

[drron]

So the only basis for her article is unanswered questions? It is a very common tactic of some journalists to ask speculative questions.

And why is

'We are aware of six confirmed cases who attended the Black Lives Matter protest. Currently there is no evidence to suggest they acquired the virus from the protest,' a DHHS statement read.

'None of these cases are known to reside at a major public housing complex. Currently no known nor suspected episodes of transmission occurred at the protest itself.'

not considered an answer?

Obviously these Australian articles must have some clear facts in them to be so persuasive that there is a demonstrated infection link. All I am asking is that you copy and paste this to share these facts. That way I and everyone else who does not have access to The Australian will know exactly what this infection link is.

Funny you left out part of your quote in a previous post-4195

The department has since clarified the figure after it was revealed two protesters were part of the public housing tower cluster where at least 242 cases have been recorded.

Exactly what the Australian article said.
PS by that I mean the Australian article said there was a link.not that the BLM protest caused that link.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

The Guardian? But I'm sorry to read that Ita is 'disappointed'

Well Ita was a lead in on a separate story.


But that is ok posted I have posted quotes from Paul Kelly and the DHHS.

Just post the quotes and sources from The Australian on the infection link and all will be disproven then.

 

[RooFlyer]

Google it if you are that interested. . I made my quote above; sorry, not here to do your searching for you. But be aware that you are probably going to read Rupert Murdoch’s dictation

 

[get me outta here]

The NT Premier came across very well last night on Q&A. Sooo much better than the other pollies, esp those following a script and unable to answer the question or to not selfishly keep droning on. Can be watched on iview, “Disputed Recovery”.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Funny you left out part of your quote in a previous post-4195

Exactly what the Australian article said.
PS by that I mean the Australian article said there was a link.not that the BLM protest caused that link.

Why funny? You need to read all three sentences to paint the picture.

The department has since clarified the figure after it was revealed two protesters were part of the public housing tower cluster where at least 242 cases have been recorded.

• I take this to mean that two protestors lived at the towers

'We are aware of six confirmed cases who attended the Black Lives Matter protest. Currently there is no evidence to suggest they acquired the virus from the protest,' a DHHS statement read.

'None of these cases are known to reside at a major public housing complex. Currently no known nor suspected episodes of transmission occurred at the protest itself.'

• I take this to mean that of the above six BLM protestors who were found to be positive that none of them resided at the towers. So the two people from the towers who were at the rally were not positive cases, and that there is also no infection link. Nor is there any evidence that anyone caught the virus at the rally.

THE AUSTRALIAN
CORONAVIRUS AUSTRALIA LIVE UPDATES: Victoria’s health authorities reveal a growing number of positive tests emanating from the Black Lives Matter protest in Melbourne.


What does Eminate mean?
to flow out, issue, or proceed, as from a source or origin; come forth; originate

So actual number emanating from the protests is zero.





There has been a beatup that BLM caused infections and implied that it also caused cases at the apartment towers.

Neither of those points have been said by the authorities to be so.

The factual part is that people who were already infected attended the BLM rally and that two people from the towers attended the rally, the beat up is indicating that cases have emanated from the protests and that there is an infection link to the towers.

 

[MelMel]

One small glimmer of hope with Victoria’s numbers today. ( I’ll take anything I can get ) The increase in active cases is approximately half the total of new cases. Hopefully we are heading towards recoveries outstripping new cases.

 

[p--and--t]

THE AUSTRALIAN
CORONAVIRUS AUSTRALIA LIVE UPDATES: Victoria’s health authorities reveal a growing number of positive tests emanating from the Black Lives Matter protest in Melbourne.

What does Eminate mean?
to flow out, issue, or proceed, as from a source or origin; come forth; originate

So actual number emanating from the protests is zero.

There has been a beatup that BLM caused infections and implied that it also caused cases at the apartment towers.

Neither of those points have been said by the authorities to be so.

The factual part is that people who were already infected attended the BLM rally, but that the beat up is indicating that cases have emanated from the protests.

This interaction now has me wondering.

For weeks now I have been annoyed at a woman's voice at many of the pressers who always seems to repeatedly ask questions (and the same question over in a slightly different wording) that are invariably trying to push a one conspiracy theory or another and the question is phrased in such a way that the conclusion is in the question. Now I'll have to try and listen a bit closer to see if she is named by any of those being interviewed and see if it is the same reporter.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Do you have that quote by the CMO that there was an infection link? And just to be clear I mean an infection link , and not just that one of the 3,000 residents knew one of 10,000 protestors.

I have just had another look and nothing like that seems to come up.

I did find though:


QUESTION to Acting Chief Medical Officer, Professor Paul Kelly's press conference on 1 July 2020

Of the cases that have come out of Victoria over the past week, do you have an indication if any of those cases were linked to the protest? Whether they were [indistinct] the protest, or whether people who went to the protest tested positive? And do you know how people— you're finding out whether people were at the protest, whether they're asked if they, after they were— after they test positive, when they're being tested, what's the— is there a protocol around that?

PROFESSOR PAUL KELLY:

So, there is no evidence that there was— has been any spread from the Black Lives Matter protest. That doesn't preclude the important message: this is not a time to be having mass protests, particularly in Melbourne. The risk of— the fact that we haven't found any more cases from those protests doesn't prove that the protests are safe. And just to be clear, it's not just protests, it's any mass gathering. And so there are very clear and strong restrictions on mass gatherings that are part of this process that's being worked through for those hotspots.

Why funny? You need to read all three sentences to paint the picture.

The department has since clarified the figure after it was revealed two protesters were part of the public housing tower cluster where at least 242 cases have been recorded.

• I take this to mean that two protestors lived at the towers

'We are aware of six confirmed cases who attended the Black Lives Matter protest. Currently there is no evidence to suggest they acquired the virus from the protest,' a DHHS statement read.



There has been a beatup that BLM caused infections and implied that it also caused cases at the apartment towers.

Neither of those points have been said by the authorities to be so.

The factual part is that people who were already infected attended the BLM rally and that two people from the towers attended the rally, the beat up is indicating that cases have emanated from the protests and that there is an infection link to the towers.

Beat up or not. Any Govt who sanctions mass gatherings of any description in the middle of this pandemic is bonkers and anyone who attends them is as well.

 

[get me outta here]

I can’t quite see what all this arguing is about regarding BLM. There must’ve been many, many, many thousands of people across many cities in this country marching. Nothing was going to stop them. No premier, no court, no police, was going to stop them, sanctioning or not, or whatever anyone wants to call ‘it’.

Let’s just stop arguing about it, we don’t agree full stop.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Beat up or not. Any Govt who sanctions mass gatherings of any description in the middle of this pandemic is bonkers and anyone who attends them is as well.

I am not justifying BLM, just the assertions of it having spread the virus as the known facts do not bear this out.


Personally I treat most people as being possibly CV19 positive and have only been within 1.5m of some of my family, and no more than a dozen friends on a very limited number of occasions since the Australia Day Weekend, apart from some encounters at supermarkets when some people get too close for a few seconds.

And certainly there is no way that I would personally participate in any large gathering.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

The NT Premier came across very well last night on Q&A. Sooo much better than the other pollies, esp those following a script and unable to answer the question or to not selfishly keep droning on. Can be watched on iview, “Disputed Recovery”.

I guess you are talking about the Northern Territory Chief Minister. States have Premiers, Territories have Chief Ministers in Australia.....lol

 

[p--and--t]

Beat up or not. Any Govt who sanctions mass gatherings of any description in the middle of this pandemic is bonkers and anyone who attends them is as well.

I am not justifying BLM, just the assertions of it having spread the virus as the known facts do not bear this out.

Personally I treat most people as being possibly CV19 positive and have only been within 1.5m of some of my family, and no more than dozen friends on a very limited number of occasions since the Australia Day Weekend, apart from some encounters at supermarkets when some people get too close for a few seconds.

And certainly there is no way that I would personally participate in any large gathering.

I also consider it, during a pandemic, very inadvisable to attend mass gatherings (even small/tiny gatherings without appropriate distancing) and the political messages that were sent somewhat confused (but understandable - they couldn't win either way given the sentiment and extreme media attention of the occurrences in the US).

However, I have a strong preference for fact based information about what has actually transpired.

I fully support both in general and on social media sites (like AFF) squashing innuendo, dog whistling, racial religious and cultural biased information and conspiracy theories and focus on facts (as best as they can be obtained from a distance).

 

[get me outta here]

“I guess” you are probably right, just what we need right now, a touch of sarcasm. As we have a CM here I am fully aware. Please pardon my miss speak.

I guess you are talking about the Northern Territory Chief Minister. States have Premiers, Territories have Chief Ministers in Australia.....lol

 

[p--and--t]

“I guess” you are probably right, just what we need right now, a touch of sarcasm. As we have a CM here I am fully aware. Please pardon my miss speak.

I was a "good boy" in the company of others ("senior members") and bit my tongue (didn't type a response)

 

[get me outta here]

Let’s just set the record straight on Daniel Andrews and his support, sanctioning or whatever of the black lives matter march.
He did not. The same as the police did not sanction it either. Nobody supported it. It was just clear that they could not stop it.
It does seem as if lots of people would like to blame one particular person.

“Victorian Premier Dan Andrews has urged people to steer clear of the rally for health reasons. Source: AAP
Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews says even if people won't be fined for attending a protest in solidarity with Black Lives Matter, they shouldn't go.
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Victorian leaders are urging people not to attend a Melbourne protest against Aboriginal deaths in custody, even if they won't be stung with coronavirus fines.
Thousands of people are expected to attend the rally on Saturday outside Victoria's Parliament House, which has been organised by the Aboriginal community to show solidarity with the Black Lives Matter movement.
Ongoing rallies about police violence against black Americans are being held across the United States, after unarmed black man George Floyd died at the hands of police in Minneapolis.

Victoria Police don't think it is feasible to arrest or fine people for breaking COVID-19 rules at the Melbourne event, which more than 17,000 have said online they will attend.
Premier Daniel Andrews said that didn't mean the restrictions shouldn't be followed, saying "they're there to keep people safe".
"I'm not going to the protest. I would suggest to other people they shouldn't go to the protest either," he told reporters on Thursday.

 

[Pushka]

Beat up or not. Any Govt who sanctions mass gatherings of any description in the middle of this pandemic is bonkers and anyone who attends them is as well.

It is reassuring then, coming from you, that I am not going bonkers in thinking exactly that. In SA, the BLM was specifically approved by the Police Commissioner who is running the state, sadly, during the Emergency period. How I wish that wasnt so.

In stating in advance that people would not be fined for attending, still sends the message that it was ok to demonstrate without any ramifications.