Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Maybe its more a comment that NSW didnt have the secondary wave that Victoria did and when there was infiltration it was dealt with. Although I suspect it has always been bubbling around the western areas.

The genome sequencing so far suggests any bubbling in the west of Sydney is since the Melbourne outbreak.

 

[drron]

This is a crock. It’s so appalling that Murphy has been captured by the liberals and is now just sprouting government propaganda against Labor state governments. NSW had nowhere near the outbreak of Victoria, not saying they handled it overly well. He’s supposed to be presenting unbiased scientific advice rather than this drivel. I now have no faith in anything he says. What a sham.

Bias,what bias.
NSW has done a far better job than Victoria.The original Crossroads outbreak was a super spreader event.many here and in the media have been predicting a disaster in NSW and they weren't being tough enough.But they were doing all the right things in contact tracing testing and publicising where the positive cases had gone.
The praise is deserved for medical reasons.

But I agree with you gutwein,although he managed the initial outbreak well especially with the NWRH cluster,has screwed up on coming out of lockdown.His border policy is farcical.

 

[RooFlyer]

Yes. What’s your problem? No lockup here. Is it just your Socialist Paradise of Tasmania that’s the issue? Winter is coming!

Winter's well and truly here, cobber, and Spring is in the air! Just picked my first peas this morning and the raspberries canes have all sprouted again.

Sure, I could get away and come back to home quarantine - like last time, I'd get deliveries from neighbours & the local winery and freshly caught fish when the neighbour goes out on the bay. I'd be doing my research, getting on top of the gardening and generally not being too much inconvenienced.

I'm planning to go to AFF in Canberra in early December. Might, just might, go to QLD before then. I'll buy you a chianti!

But seriously, its needlessly killing our tourist industry. Tasmanians might go for a weekend away to 'do the right thing' but they'll never replace mainland/overseas tourists. The announcement during the week that border conditions won't change until at least Dec 1st is just about the last straw.

 

[DC3]

The Secretary of Health is not a scientific position.

.... and sold out his independence when taking up the new government job.

 

[Lynda2475]

Murphy's point was to highlight how the differences in quality of tracing tools/systems and organisation of health resources in place impacts outcomes.

Even before Vic's second wave, Vic was providing much less detailed information about venues that cases had visited and reporting by postcode as opposed to LGA only started after stage 4 lockdown was reintroduced. Most of the team i manage are in Melbourne and they have lamented since the start about why they werent getting the level of info the Sydney team was.

Saying it is irrelevant due to differences in case numbers, ignores fact that if contract tracing was done better and the public were given more information re if they had been at same location at same time, many close contacts could have isolated or got tested earlier and spread from the hotel failures may not have been so large.

ABC talked to NSW health workers loaned to Vic to help with tracing and they were aghast at how manual Vics processes were compared to what they were used to and how they did not leverage local teams familiar with challenges in each area.

Murphy's comments were an appeal for the states without large outbreaks atm to look at their capability and make sure they are the best they can be. Cant just rely on domestic border closures as their only tool (as not feasible), state health departments need to have best practice, pressure tested processes, systems and staff ready to go for when inevitably the next unexpected outbreak happens.

This relcutance to acknowledge that there is something to be learnt from what another state is doing well helps no one. The differences in the way states organise their responses has exposed weaknesses and policy implementation failings.

I dont think Murphy intended to be political, i think he wants all the states to learn from the mistakes made and remove weaknesses before they are tested again.

 

[trevella]

Well done NSW. Surely there can be no cases among the roughly 7.5 million people not tested.

 

[Lynda2475]

Well done NSW. Surely there can be no cases among the roughly 7.5 million people not tested.

NsW is not and never has claimed it has no cases. Our CHO and Premier have expressed concern daily about the cases where they have yet to identify the source and repeatedly encouraged people get tested. In NSW anyone can get tested, you dont need to have symptoms or to be a close contact. They are actively looking for hidden cases. Im not seeing any denial of risk or cases.

Given NSW has the largest population, has taken 60% of all international arrivals and has the most open domestic borders, i think NSW has done remarkably well at limiting the spread of this second wave which was reintroduced here from Victoria.

NSW had early failure with Ruby Princess and Newmarch House, but has it has learned. When the Thai Rock cluster infected an aged care worker, not one single resident at that facility tested positive as learnings from Newmarch meant all staff were correctly wearing PPE, and as soon as she tested positive the home was closed to all visitors, all residents tested.

 

[N860CR]

Given NSW has the largest population, has taken 60% of all international arrivals and has the most open domestic borders, i think NSW has done remarkably well at limiting the spread of this second wave which was reintroduced here from Victoria.

Yep. NSW remains the only state in the country to have achieved the coronavirus goal. Queensland seems to have proven this week with their few random cases that the virus is randomly floating around. NSW found 1 case today in 32,000 tests. Queensland found 2 yesterday in about 7000 tests. As Trump says... “we’re just testing too much. We should stop testing!”

 

[TheRealTMA]

Oh, yes, we can go away anywhere. Its that we have to be locked up for 2 weeks on return that's the killer.

Only fair if you ask me, which you did. But at least you’d have a few days of warmth, sunshine and vitamin D.

 

[TheRealTMA]

The Secretary of Health is not a scientific position.

That’s the problem. He uses his title and previous position as a Chief medical officer and medical scientist to promote non scientific analysis for political ends. Simply apalling, Let’s get back to the days of an Independent public service. (Yes i know that’s a fantasy.)

 

[DC3]

That’s the problem. He uses his title and previous position as a Chief medical officer and medical scientist to promote non scientific analysis for political ends. Simply apalling, Let’s get back to the days of an Independent public service. (Yes i know that’s a fantasy.)

However, to his credit, when he accepted the new job, he also agreed to major surgery being performed ...

.... for the removal of his backbone.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

ABC.net.au is reporting multiple infection at the youth detention facility. I guess this will be confirmed in Qld’s daily numbers and press conference today.

Edit: News.com.au is reporting a Qld opposition MP stating there have been multiple cases of past exposure, though not clear if any are active cases.

 

[Pushka]

ABC.net.au is reporting multiple infection at the youth detention facility. I guess this will be confirmed in Qld’s daily numbers and press conference today.

Edit: News.com.au is reporting a Qld opposition MP stating there have been multiple cases of past exposure, though not clear if any are active cases.

I have read in the media, goodness knows if true, that a relative of the three women who travelled to Victoria from Qld, spent time in the detention centre about a week after their arrival back into Qld. They are doing genomic sequencing. Of more concern is that several of the youngsters are indigenous and have been released and gone back to their local communities. That is something that everyone has tried so hard to avoid.

 

[RooFlyer]

Only fair if you ask me, which you did. But at least you’d have a few days of warmth, sunshine and vitamin D.

Absolutely. So what's your choice of chianti?

 

[I love to travel]

I have read in the media, goodness knows if true, that a relative of the three women who travelled to Victoria from Qld, spent time in the detention centre about a week after their arrival back into Qld. They are doing genomic sequencing. Of more concern is that several of the youngsters are indigenous and have been released and gone back to their local communities. That is something that everyone has tried so hard to avoid.

Also some reports indicating new public health measures to be announced.

 

[RooFlyer]

.... and sold out his independence when taking up the new government job.

Independence from what, exactly? You know he was appointed to the position of Secretary back in January, but delayed leaving the CMO position when pandemic hit?

 

[drron]

However, to his credit, when he accepted the new job, he also agreed to major surgery being performed ...

.... for the removal of his backbone.

That’s the problem. He uses his title and previous position as a Chief medical officer and medical scientist to promote non scientific analysis for political ends. Simply apalling, Let’s get back to the days of an Independent public service. (Yes i know that’s a fantasy.)

.... and sold out his independence when taking up the new government job.

You guys are so wide of the mark and are really showing your ignorance on the subject.
Brendan Murphy had a long career as a clinician and academic and is well respected in the medical community.He has also been respected by both sides of politics as a Medical Administrator.

He was appointed the Commonwealth CMO in 2016.In January 2020 it was announced he would become the new Commonwealth Health Secretary but Covid hit so he stayed on as CMO until the end of June.Most commentators feel he has done a good job.
Here is one from that notoriously right wing publication Crikey.

The man behind the eyebrows: just who is Brendan Murphy?

The pandemic has rocketed chief medical officer Brendan Murphy from bureaucratic obscurity to celebrity. Inq profiles Australia's top doctor.

www.crikey.com.au

 

[SydneySwan]

Queensland has 9 new cases today.

WA will now become favourite for AFL GF.

Schadenfreude breaking out in NSW.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I have read in the media, goodness knows if true, that a relative of the three women who travelled to Victoria from Qld, spent time in the detention centre about a week after their arrival back into Qld. They are doing genomic sequencing. Of more concern is that several of the youngsters are indigenous and have been released and gone back to their local communities. That is something that everyone has tried so hard to avoid.

Where the seven cases linked to the Wacol youth detention centre cluster live

The first case was a woman in her 70s and lives in the Ipswich suburb of Bundamba, who did five shifts while she was infectious.

Dr Jeannette Young said the woman has been very helpful and outlined where the new cases live.

She said a man who worked at the Wacol centre became sick at around at the same time as the first woman. He lives at Marsden.

A third man who works in the centre also does some work for QBuild and has been doing work at the Springwood School. Dr Young said she will be working with the school as to whether or not they will be able to open on Monday. His wife has already tested positive as well.

Another gentleman who works at the centre lives in North Ipswich. He also works in a disability accommodation service. There is a relative of that gentleman who was in the Ipswich Hospital.

Another case is another female worker at the Brisbane detention youth centre who lives in Forest Lake.

 

[antycbr]

Queensland has 9 new cases today.

WA will now become favourite for AFL GF.

Schadenfreude breaking out in NSW.

This was a worker that went to work for 5 days with symptoms and are in the high risk group. If they are working at Wacol you would think they’d have sick leave unlike the casuals in Vic that drove their outbreak.

Given Anna is using border restrictions as a political tool to “keep Queenslanders Safe” maybe she should have a good look at her own government first before lecturing people that “Queensland Hospitals are for Queenslanders” - when she said that it was the moment she lost me. Hospitals are for people.