Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

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Tomorrow night and beyond I will be able to go and do my shopping at Coles and Woollies until 9pm under gov regulations.
" From Monday 14th September all Stores within Greater Melbourne Councils will now close at 8:30pm (last customer to enter at 8:30pm and will need to leave the store by 8:45pm) until the 25th October. There will be no change to Stores trading hours in regional Victoria."

Lets have a google around the country where the major stores are permitted to open after six pm every day of the week 363 days of the year anytime pandemic or not.

Which state allows you to go to KMart (in normal times) and buy sheets and towels or anything else at 3am? Or maybe go to Officeworks and stock up at 11:30 at night?
ACT does.
 
" From Monday 14th September all Stores within Greater Melbourne Councils will now close at 8:30pm (last customer to enter at 8:30pm and will need to leave the store by 8:45pm) until the 25th October. There will be no change to Stores trading hours in regional Victoria."

ACT does.

Yep as I said "under gov regulations". The stores have chosen to close earlier.
 
It would be easier to believe this if all of the other causes that have been put forward actually turned out to have been the case, like:
  • Security Guards having sex with returnees (no evidence this ever happened)
  • BLM protesters
  • Ethnic/Religious groups doing the wrong thing
And so on and so forth. What happens is that:
  • Cityfolk blame suburbia
  • Regional blame metro
  • Other states blame victorians
Yet people all over the world are catching this because it's infectious and despite what we might think, just because we're locked down doesn't mean supermarket staff, medical staff, transport staff, utilities workers, construction workers and so on and so forth are also.

The nursing homes are a great example. The virus got into them, a few residents caught it, staff caught it, they went home and their partners and children caught it, and so on and so forth. Why do the numbers continue so stubbornly despite Stage 4 lockdown? Because people can't necessarily isolate themselves entirely from all other people regardless of the current stage of restrictions, and what one person catches one day can easily spread to others in a household/facility/office building/residential high rise building the next day.
I cant imagine anyone admitting to the first point. Evidence has been presented of security guards having sex together at the time of work at the Quarantine hotels. Second - as has been covered previously, the message that was sent was that if you felt strongly enough about something then a Protest or refusal to obey is ok, and the third point is very much open for discussion as Eid timing was very close to the second wave. Along with the tie in with private schools outbreaks.
 
I had a thought and a bit of a giggle this afternoon when I was on my walk about some of the commentary about the draconian curfew forcing major supermarkets to close in Victoria during the middle of a second wave of a pandemic at 8pm at night in lieu of their permitted 24/7 trading.

Tomorrow night and beyond I will be able to go and do my shopping at Coles and Woollies until 9pm under gov regulations.

Lets have a google around the country where the major stores are permitted to open after six pm every day of the week 363 days of the year anytime pandemic or not.

Which state allows you to go to KMart (in normal times) and buy sheets and towels or anything else at 3am? Or maybe go to Officeworks and stock up at 11:30 at night?
363 days is a tall order but I think all States except WA (edit: not Perth metro) have regular late night weekday trading hours if this website is correct

 
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363 days is a tall order but I think all States except WA have regular late night weekday trading hours if this website is correct

SA doesnt - the latest currently is 9pm. On one day except for very small convenience stores.
 
363 days is a tall order but I think all States except WA (edit: not Perth metro) have regular late night weekday trading hours if this website is correct


Well due to lockdown I haven't been to Adelaide for example for 6 months but last time I was there Coles and Woollies were shut at 6pm. The same last time I was in Cairns 8 months ago.

[precovid] The Coles nearby my previous house in Vic was open 24/7 so was the KMart. Officeworks until midnight. Where i live now [precovid] open 7 days until 10 or 11 depending on store.

Is that matched in all states?
 
" From Monday 14th September all Stores within Greater Melbourne Councils will now close at 8:30pm (last customer to enter at 8:30pm and will need to leave the store by 8:45pm) until the 25th October. There will be no change to Stores trading hours in regional Victoria."
Yep as I said "under gov regulations". The stores have chosen to close earlier.
Currently in metro Melbourne the times are 7:30pm for last customer entry and out by 7:45pm.

Just putting it all back an hour with the curfew.
 
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Well due to lockdown I haven't been to Adelaide for example for 6 months but last time I was there Coles and Woollies were shut at 6pm. The same last time I was in Cairns 8 months ago.
Perhaps it’s a metro thing that there is sufficient demand to actually want to open - google say Darwin, New Town (Tasmania) and lots of Kmarts and Officeworks open.

Edit: Kmart cairns central is 9pm weekdays according to google.
 
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Kmart Launceston was open 24 hours but now just 0700 to 2400.
Supermarkets in devonport open to 2200.
 
It would be easier to believe this if all of the other causes that have been put forward actually turned out to have been the case, like:
  • Security Guards having sex with returnees (no evidence this ever happened)

I cant imagine anyone admitting to the first point.

The original rumour was that security guards had sex with those in quarantine , and this was how the virus leaked out to created the Second Wave.


However unless you believe that a family of 4 was having sex with Patient 0 (The night manager), then as in terms of sex possibly contributing to the way that Covid19 was passed from hotel quarantine guests out into the community that would only leave the much smaller number of cases (0.75%) stemming from the Stamford Plaza Cluster and that is if that was the source there.


  • Almost all of the current cases in Victoria (where the sequence is known) are related to the Rydges Hotel cluster. This hotel was used to quarantine individuals returning from overseas. From the genomic and epidemiological data, we know that a family of four who returned from overseas and were quarantining within the hotel, were the first to become unwell in this genomic cluster. Because this family became unwell very shortly after arriving home, it is likely that they acquired infection overseas.
  • More recent data indicates that for the 1,589 cases sequenced from cases with symptom onset from 14 July to 14 August, all but 12 were linked to Rydges. The other 12 cases are linked to the Stamford Hotel cluster. It is likely that 99% of current cases of Covid-19 in Victoria have arisen from the Rydges or Stamford Plaza hotels.
 
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Well due to lockdown I haven't been to Adelaide for example for 6 months but last time I was there Coles and Woollies were shut at 6pm. The same last time I was in Cairns 8 months ago.

[precovid] The Coles nearby my previous house in Vic was open 24/7 so was the KMart. Officeworks until midnight. Where i live now [precovid] open 7 days until 10 or 11 depending on store.

Is that matched in all states?
Coles and Woolies have closed here in SA during the week at 9pm for several years. They close at 5pm on Saturday and Sunday though.

Not sure where in SA you were that you thought Coles and Woolies were shut at 6pm
 
Coles and Woolies have closed here in SA during the week at 9pm for several years. They close at 5pm on Saturday and Sunday though.

Not sure where in SA you were that you thought Coles and Woolies were shut at 6pm

I was there on the weekend
 
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No need to traipse the country looking for the effect of curfew on trading hours in Melbourne. Remember that the rest of Victoria does not have a curfew (like other state premiers, many do not know the difference between Melbourne and regional Vic 🤣 ). For supermarkets that seems to be up to 10pm. Seems to be consistent with supermarkets hours in Melbourne during June (which IIRC closed up to an hour or two earlier than before COVI)D. nb: Kmart Belmont Village (Geelong) closes at midnight, but was a 24 hr store.
 
ACT allows 365 days a year. Shops can open Christmas Day if they wanted. Most don’t.

IIRC the ACT has had the most liberal attitude (least Restrictions) to trading for a very long time. I seem to recall from vague imprecise memories several decades ago you could buy groceries & booze almost anytime anywhere and adult products on sale not available anywhere else in the country.
 
I was there on the weekend
Ok. Weekdays they are open.
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The original rumour was that security guards had sex with those in quarantine , and this was how the virus leaked out to created the Second Wave.


However unless you believe that a family of 4 was having sex with Patient 0 (The night manager), then as in terms of sex possibly contributing to the way that Covid19 was passed from hotel quarantine guests out into the community that would only leave the much smaller number of cases (0.75%) stemming from the Stamford Plaza Cluster and that is if that was the source there.


  • Almost all of the current cases in Victoria (where the sequence is known) are related to the Rydges Hotel cluster. This hotel was used to quarantine individuals returning from overseas. From the genomic and epidemiological data, we know that a family of four who returned from overseas and were quarantining within the hotel, were the first to become unwell in this genomic cluster. Because this family became unwell very shortly after arriving home, it is likely that they acquired infection overseas.
  • More recent data indicates that for the 1,589 cases sequenced from cases with symptom onset from 14 July to 14 August, all but 12 were linked to Rydges. The other 12 cases are linked to the Stamford Hotel cluster. It is likely that 99% of current cases of Covid-19 in Victoria have arisen from the Rydges or Stamford Plaza hotels.
Nothing has been disproven yet.
 
So the family of 4 had sex with staff? Do you really believe that?

Genomic testing has confirmed that the Second Wave came from them. Well well 99% of cases anyway.
That's a bit of hyperbole. All we know is that a family of four had Covid. We dont know who else had Covid on that floor, or hotel and who were never tested. Because not everyone was tested. I have no idea why not. And could have infected that family or became infected from them even via a guard who had no sense of infection control and vice versa. Given that Victoria never routinely tested everyone in quarantine - and as you will recall months ago I commented on that here, the links in the chain are completely broken. Only those who were unwell enough were tested. We know that isn't the way Covid is for everyone.
 
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