Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[lovetravellingoz]

As well saying it is disgraceful to work in 5 institutions in 1 week does not know the reality of nursing work in regional Tasmania.The workload can vary tremendously and so many nurses are "Agency" workers to be called in only if needed.The work for nurses outside of the covid wards has decreased so it is not surprising that a nurse takes what ever offer of work that is offered.It definitely shouldn't happen during an epidemic (my emphasis) such as this but I doubt the nurse was counselled before this.

Not sure who said it was disgraceful about past working practices? I know how some agency nurses can work at multiple places, including my sister in law, and so at other times it would not surprise me. I also appreciate the financial duress that many will be under at present and the temptation to source work where they can.

But it appears that like what I said, that you too find it surprising that this occurred at this stage of Covid 19. If the health worker is a nurse one would assume that they would have some knowledge by now of how Covid 19 can be spread and so should not have had to have been counselled on not to work in so many institutions.

With two such spreaders at two hotspots recently it is a flag that our health administrators probably need to be more proactive.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Deputy CMO doesn't rule out forcing Australians to download contact tracing app

Paul Kelly said he had "always been a believer in the Australian people making the right decision" when quizzed if the app could be compulsory.

www.abc.net.au

It’s bad enough the Prime Minister, who‘s government spent millions pursuing an agenda against industry super funds, harassing them to invest in the basket case that is Virgin when the govt won’t. Some are starting to lose the plot here. While many will happily download this app, most avoided the My Health Record, so how do they fantasise that in Australia, not Russia or Eastern Europe stasi states that threatening to make such a thing compulsory is at all sensible, let alone possible.

 

[RooFlyer]

Deputy CMO doesn't rule out forcing Australians to download contact tracing app

Paul Kelly said he had "always been a believer in the Australian people making the right decision" when quizzed if the app could be compulsory.

www.abc.net.au

Some are starting to lose the plot here. While many will happily download this app, most avoided the My Health Record, so how do they fantasise that in Australia, not Russia or Eastern Europe stasi states that threatening to make such a thing is at all sensible, let alone possible.

While I would download the app (based on what I have heard so far), to make it mandatory would be bonkers.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

In parallel, I'm also thinking about schools.

There is a huge cohort of "locum" teachers that move from school to school, suburb to suburb, on a daily basis depending on which school has a permanent that has rung in sick or taking holidays/other leave.

This will only become worse in the current scenario where "at risk" permanent teachers will not turn up and all staff are advised not to attend work if they have the slightest symptoms of an illness.

We could have hundreds of teachers floating from school to school on a daily basis and they are not in focus for proactive preventive testing that occurs for "health" workers.

It is an interesting point you raise.

With teachers, or any group of workers, the more mingling that occurs the higher the risk. So on return to work and re-activation, how workforce's are operated will need some thought and not just teachers. This needs to be stricter if Covid 19 is still active and so a country such as say the UK or USA may need stricter measures than say NZ or Australia may need in say a months time.

The risk right now is probably less as so many students are learning online at present.

While any mixing can be bad, nurses by what they do are often in close contact in ways that teachers should not be, and other works do not need to be. Plus the occupants of aged care facilities are a lot more at risk due their age and comorbidities and so measures need to be stricter.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Deputy CMO doesn't rule out forcing Australians to download contact tracing app

Paul Kelly said he had "always been a believer in the Australian people making the right decision" when quizzed if the app could be compulsory.

www.abc.net.au

It’s bad enough Scomo, who‘s government spent millions pursuing an agenda against industry super funds, harassing them to invest in the basket case that is Virgin when the govt won’t. Some are starting to lose the plot here. While many will happily download this app, most avoided the My Health Record, so how do they fantasise that in Australia, not Russia or Eastern Europe stasi states that threatening to make such a thing compulsory is at all sensible, let alone possible.

Ignoring the possibly compulsory part, one can appreciate how this could make contract tracing just so much easier and in particular when asymptotic spreaders are involved. Importantly it would greatly increase the speed that possibly infected people could be contacted and this prevent them from infecting yet more people.

The app is called TraceTogether and uses Bluetooth to create a record of other nearby phones that also have the app.

But it does not track people's location.

The Government has said the data collected by its tracing app would be highly secure, with only health authorities allowed to access it after a positive case was identified.


I would download it. It may help me if I become infected from then spreading CV19 onto others including my family.

 

[tgh]

I would download it. It may help me if I become infected from then spreading CV19 onto others including my family

+1

 

[flyingfan]

Wonder how they could 'force' this. Force Apple/Android to push the app to all Aussie mobiles and force location tracking/Bluetooth?

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Wonder how they could 'force' this. Force Apple/Android to push the app to all Aussie mobiles and force location tracking/Bluetooth?

They have stated that it creates a record of other nearby phones and that it does not track location.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Though speaking of location, a tidbit I heard today was that an analysis of location data of mobile phones (and not examining an actual individuals though) in the USA had shown that social distancing was now being widely practiced, including in states that had not mandated it.

 

[RooFlyer]

They have stated that it creates a record of other nearby phones and that it does not track location.

Yes, and that it will be audited by various 'privacy' organisations before being signed off. But arrrgh! ABC TV news this moment said in a story about this, how the government 'might force Australians to share their location data'. The initiative is doomed.

Edit: Did anyone see Alan Kholer tonight? Something different - no glasses? Looked a bit odd.

 

[pauly7]

Yes, and that it will be audited by various 'privacy' organisations before being signed off. But arrrgh! ABC TV news this moment said in a story about this, how the government 'might force Australians to share their location data'. The initiative is doomed.

Edit: Did anyone see Alan Kholer tonight? Something different - no glasses? Looked a bit odd.

Wasn’t shot in studio today

Made it blurry and off pace with audio as well.

 

[serfty]

Edit: Did anyone see Alan Kholer tonight? Something different - no glasses? Looked a bit odd.

Liked the graphic with the dunny paper mesa.

 

[I love to travel]

Yes, and that it will be audited by various 'privacy' organisations before being signed off. But arrrgh! ABC TV news this moment said in a story about this, how the government 'might force Australians to share their location data'. The initiative is doomed.

Edit: Did anyone see Alan Kholer tonight? Something different - no glasses? Looked a bit odd.

Given Australia had such a low take up of electronic health records I don't see how voluntary tracking will be accepted in the community.

 

[dajop]

I would download it. It may help me if I become infected from then spreading CV19 onto others including my family.

I have the app downloaded already. Was using it for this reason until Ieft Singapore for our fairer shores 3 weeks ago.

 

[RooFlyer]

I have the app downloaded already.

I believe there are a number of such apps. They don't talk to each other. I don't think the Australian Govt have chosen one yet.

 

[drron]

The Government has said the data collected by its tracing app would be highly secure, with only health authorities allowed to access it after a positive case was identified.


I would download it. It may help me if I become infected from then spreading CV19 onto others including my family.

This fills me with doubt.About the same as someone saying I am from the Government and I am here to help you.

But I do want to do a few more OS trips if possible and if the app was needed on return i would download it.

 

[p--and--t]

It's interesting the objections being raised to a voluntary app designed to save lives where your location is not being traced, just the proximity to an infected person after 15min and no data is transmitted from the phone until a specific infection contact has been detected.

Every day hundreds to thousands of times per day 24/7 >92% of the population is being tracked whether they like it or not by $B multinational firms as to their location within a few metres, their friends, relatives and acquaintances recorded, their various preferences in shopping, their private correspondence being recorded and analysed, their voice prints moods and comments being recorded, other firms and persons being advised of their actions preferences and purchases - but that's all perfectly ok

 

[p--and--t]

It's interesting the objections being raised to a voluntary app designed to save lives where your location is not being traced, just the proximity to an infected person after 15min and no data is transmitted from the phone until a specific infection contact has been detected.

Every day hundreds to thousands of times per day 24/7 >92% of the population is being tracked whether they like it or not by $B multinational firms as to their location within a few metres, their friends, relatives and acquaintances recorded, their various preferences in shopping, their private correspondence being recorded and analysed, their voice prints moods and comments being recorded, other firms and persons being advised of their actions preferences and purchases - but that's all perfectly ok

Oh and I forgot, what about the companies with no controls on them with projects gradually crawling through every photo ever loaded to the internet they can find and cross matching face & location & date & time with every every other photograph so they know where & when you have been and who you were with.

 

[Himeno]

I won't be downloading any app that is a data and/or battery hog.
I never have Bluetooth turned on unless I actively need to use it, and that has only ever been to share internet between phone and tablet while in the BA T5 F lounge when one device has refused to connect to the wifi.
I never have GPS turned on unless I am actively using it.

I won't download the apps work wants people to use on my phone because I won't be using my data for work reasons unless work wants to pay for said data.

projects gradually crawling through every photo ever loaded to the internet they can find and cross matching face & location & date & time with every every other photograph so they know where & when you have been and who you were with.

That would require being in photos to start with.

 

[p--and--t]

That would require being in photos to start with.

I seriously doubt you have never been photographed (with or without your permission)

Surmising your occupation from other posts you would be under surveillance by multiple cameras every minute of your working life.