Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

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ABC is reporting:

Victoria police waved through cars with Vic plates last night

We're hearing that Victorian police officers waved through hundreds of travellers with Victorian number plates last night, as a wave of people returning from NSW placed huge pressure on the border checkpoints.

Deputy Commissioner Rick Nugent said police held an urgent meeting with Victorian health authorities around 9:00pm last night, as officers became concerned that those facing hours-long waits at the border included the elderly, people with anxiety and children.

Traffic banked up on the Victorian side of the NSW border near Tocumwal. ABC News: Peter Healy

"The State Health Controller approved opening up, letting more cars go through, but there was a risk assessment there," Deputy Commissioner Nugent said.

"So Victorian-registered vehicles, holiday-makers, caravans, boats and so on, we could wave them through.

"We know from checking the permits that they were right. We know there wasn't as much, or anywhere near the risk there with that group.

"New South Wales' and other states' vehicles were all checked. So that then got some movement coming through that helped clear that backlog."

Travellers seeking to cross the border back into Victoria before the hard closure takes effect from 11:59pm tonight will need to have joined the queue of cars at a checkpoint by midnight, he said.


"At midnight, regardless of how long the queue is, we'll have a police car go to the end of that queue. If you are there by midnight, regardless of whether you're actually processed, you're included as arriving prior to midnight."


Heaps of rental cars in NSW and Qld have Vic plates (assume it is because rego is cheaper in Vic), so not a fool proof assumption that a Vic registered car only contains victorian residents. You'd think after creating a huge rush for Victorians to return home sufficient police would have been deployed at border corssing to process everyone. They have been checking permits for over a week, and had to know textending the hard border NSW would create a mad rush.


ABC also says, the DHH's coronavirus testing commander this morning summarised:

1. If you arrived in Vic on Thursday (yesterday), you need to test and isolate until you get a result.
2. If you arrive today, you need to test and isolate for 14 days at home, and
3. if you arrive tomorrow and afterwards, you will either be turned back or have to do 14 days hotel quarantineat your own expense (if you get an exemption).


The "if you get an exemption" is the kicker, when NB was declared a red zone and greater Sydney an orange zone, Vic Helath Minister was clear Victorians who didnt return by cut-off would be locked out for forseeable future, implying permits would be hard to get. Will be interesting to see how many this affects, noting that permit system for Victorians in Qld and ACT needing to drive through NSW to return home still hasntbeen sorted out.

When NSW closed border to Vic, they limited the way NSW residents could return to air travel via SYD, but importantly waived the hotel qurantine fees (after initially saying it would be paid) to ensure everyone could get home on their own timeframe. In the end only non NSW residents had to pay for hotel quarantine.
 
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Glady recognises that we are all Australians first, whereas north fo the border you are a Queenslander before you are an Australian.

I did check with a friend who was born and lives in Queensland what her passport had in the nationality field and she said Áustralian. That was news to me. She has always insisted that she is a Queenslander.
 
This is the email exchange of a very good friend on his experience last night when leaving his holiday unit in Merimbula to return home. Sounds pretty chaotic


So travelling last night it was a debacle. Absolute debacle. Terrible decision by the government.

I understand the desire to close borders, and I’ve been one who has advocated for borders to be closed early. But the way it was done was ridiculous. A couple of points.

1 - We were in Merimbula. A green zone. Zero cases in the town. Zero cases in the region. Zero cases for literally about 400km. Yet the government has now forced us to leave there and come back to Melbourne which has cases (and I live in the east of Melbourne). This is dumb.

2 - The way they did it with the last afternoon press conference was mental. No notice at all. There wasn’t even a recommendation not to travel to regional NSW until about 12 hours beforehand. There were no cases in regional NSW apart from a couple of specific areas and no indication at all that they would shut the border to those green zone areas - in fact all the indications were that they wouldn’t shut borders until zones became orange or red. It would be nice to give people some notice, any notice, that they might be about to be locked out of their own state.

3 - Lastly (and this is the thing I am FURIOUS about), the way it was done was unsafe and unnecessarily created complete chaos. To say that if you got to the border by midnight you didn’t have to isolate was unbelievably irresponsible. It resulted in tens of thousands of people jumping in their cars and driving through the night on country roads. This was incredibly unsafe. I’m pro shutting borders, I understand why they did it, but the ‘how’ is the thing I am angry about.

I can’t even begin to describe the scenes at Checkpoint Charlie last night. We left Merimbula at 530. We got to the queue for the checkpoint on the Princes Highway at 6:15. We didn’t clear the checkpoint until about 9:30. We expected to queue, but not for three damn hours. It was mayhem. Everyone was out of their cars having a walk, some dudes were skateboarding down the outbound lanes of the highway. Everyone was starving. Elderly women were urinating next to their cars. There was a dude in a coffee van who set up next to the road and he was making a killing.

Once we cleared the checkpoint we were still about 6 hours from Melbourne. We didn’t arrive home until 3:30am, it was so late based on the unexpected queuing time (otherwise we never would have left). It was so dangerous. People falling asleep and swerving around everywhere. I didn’t see an accident but there would have been thousands who came after us and if there were no accidents later than us it will have been a miracle.

They could have very very easily either given people until midnight tomorrow to get home without isolating, or just said everyone needs to isolate. Both scenarios would have been fine and would have avoided making thousands of people drive through the night in an incredibly unsafe way. Unbelievably irresponsible decision to give people that carrot, and then not put proper resources at the border to process people quickly.

Now on three hours sleep I’m in a 4hr line to get myself and my whole family tested on New Years Day.
 
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An update on the 2 Vics in Bega which makes more sense now as the timeline did not seem to mesh if they been existing Vic tested cases.

Dr Krispy Oz


2 close contacts from Blackrock Thai restaurant weren't identified until Dec 31 it seems. Dined in NSW on Dec 30 and unknown time on Dec 31. Once informed. Tested immediately. Self isolating.

3:31 PM · Jan 1, 2021·Twitter for Android
 
This is the email exchange of a very good friend on his experience last night when leaving his holiday unit in Merimbula to return home. Sounds pretty chaotic


So travelling last night it was a debacle. Absolute debacle. Terrible decision by the government.

I understand the desire to close borders, and I’ve been one who has advocated for borders to be closed early. But the way it was done was ridiculous. A couple of points.

1 - We were in Merimbula. A green zone. Zero cases in the town. Zero cases in the region. Zero cases for literally about 400km. Yet the government has now forced us to leave there and come back to Melbourne which has cases (and I live in the east of Melbourne). This is dumb.

2 - The way they did it with the last afternoon press conference was mental. No notice at all. There wasn’t even a recommendation not to travel to regional NSW until about 12 hours beforehand. There were no cases in regional NSW apart from a couple of specific areas and no indication at all that they would shut the border to those green zone areas - in fact all the indications were that they wouldn’t shut borders until zones became orange or red. It would be nice to give people some notice, any notice, that they might be about to be locked out of their own state.

3 - Lastly (and this is the thing I am FURIOUS about), the way it was done was unsafe and unnecessarily created complete chaos. To say that if you got to the border by midnight you didn’t have to isolate was unbelievably irresponsible. It resulted in tens of thousands of people jumping in their cars and driving through the night on country roads. This was incredibly unsafe. I’m pro shutting borders, I understand why they did it, but the ‘how’ is the thing I am angry about.

I can’t even begin to describe the scenes at Checkpoint Charlie last night. We left Merimbula at 530. We got to the queue for the checkpoint on the Princes Highway at 6:15. We didn’t clear the checkpoint until about 9:30. We expected to queue, but not for three damn hours. It was mayhem. Everyone was out of their cars having a walk, some dudes were skateboarding down the outbound lanes of the highway. Everyone was starving. Elderly women were urinating next to their cars. There was a dude in a coffee van who set up next to the road and he was making a killing.

Once we cleared the checkpoint we were still about 6 hours from Melbourne. We didn’t arrive home until 3:30am, it was so late based on the unexpected queuing time (otherwise we never would have left). It was so dangerous. People falling asleep and swerving around everywhere. I didn’t see an accident but there would have been thousands who came after us and if there were no accidents later than us it will have been a miracle.

They could have very very easily either given people until midnight tomorrow to get home without isolating, or just said everyone needs to isolate. Both scenarios would have been fine and would have avoided making thousands of people drive through the night in an incredibly unsafe way. Unbelievably irresponsible decision to give people that carrot, and then not put proper resources at the border to process people quickly.

Now on three hours sleep I’m in a 4hr line to get myself and my whole family tested on New Years Day.
Yes I fully agree. The tight return is way too little.

I have friends who had their van on a beach in far northern NSW.

With so many Vics returning in such a short period who must test, testing will struggle for days if not a week.

I mean how many holidaying and working Vics would there be in NSW at NYE?

50k, 100k, 300k? I have no idea but numbers would large.
 
It is just more proof, in case you actually did need it, that state governments in Oz are living and existing in their own fantasy land. No concept of the real world.
 
An update on the 2 Vics in Bega which makes more sense now as the timeline did not seem to mesh if they been existing Vic tested cases.

Dr Krispy Oz


2 close contacts from Blackrock Thai restaurant weren't identified until Dec 31 it seems. Dined in NSW on Dec 30 and unknown time on Dec 31. Once informed. Tested immediately. Self isolating.

3:31 PM · Jan 1, 2021·Twitter for Android
Got a better source than that ?
I’ve been trying to find one.

The ABC is quoting a Vic Govt source that’s stating they were informed on 30th Dec and continued to travel to NSW.
Either way something isn’t adding up with this.
 
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Got a better source than that ?
I’ve been trying to find one.

The ABC is quoting a Vic Govt source that’s stating they were informed on 30th Dec and continued to travel to NSW.
Either way something isn’t adding up with this.


I got that tweet while I was just off enjoying a walk on my self imposed quaratine (my CV-19 test was negative, but especially if I passed on my symptoms to anyone and they had to get tested they would have a long wait at present).

However to answer your question:

1/ Dr Chant stated during the NSW Presser this morning that Vic Travellers complied with everything including isolation.

2/ Back on my laptop now and this link confirms that my hearing this morning's NSW Presser was correct in that the second restaurant was on the 31st.



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I got that tweet while I was just off enjoying a walk on my self imposed quaratine (my CV-19 test was negative, but especially if I passed on my symptoms to anyone and they had to get tested they would have a long wait at present).


Back on my laptop now and confirmed that my hearing this morning's NSW Presser was correct. The second restaurant was on the 31st.



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Aware of the dates of exposure. I was wondering where the info from the Tweet came. No reliable source for that and it contradicts the ABC report that the travelers were informed on 30th December. Also if tested in NSW how did they get back to Victoria whilst self isolating awaiting the test results?

Hopefully more will be released later from the VIC end.
 
Aware of the dates of exposure. I was wondering where the info from the Tweet came. No reliable source for that and it contradicts the ABC report that the travelers were informed on 30th December.

If so then why did Dr Chant state during the NSW Presser this morning that Vic Travellers complied with everything including isolation?

Also ABC Tweet is

@MrTimCallanan

Replying to
@MrTimCallanan
the two people travelled into NSW and were tested there, but have now returned to Vic

1:12 PM · Jan 1, 2021·Twitter Web App

which was different than his earlier tweet.
[URL='https://twitter.com/MrTimCallanan']Tim Callanan
@MrTimCallanan




Two new cases of covid have been detected in Victoria. A Victorian government spokesperson has told the ABC the two cases are close contacts of one of the positive cases from the Black Rock restaurant.
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1:05 PM · Jan 1, 2021·Twitter Web App
 
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If so then why did Dr Chant state during the NSW Presser this morning that Vic Travellers complied with everything including isolation?
No idea as I said lots of contradictory info.
NSW has been fairly obviously in the camp of not laying blame at any particular individuals or groups. Probably a very good thing as contract tracers may never get accurate info if the people tested believe that their every move will be subjected to forensic scrutiny by a furious public.
 
Got a better source than that ?
I’ve been trying to find one.

The ABC is quoting a Vic Govt source that’s stating they were informed on 30th Dec and continued to travel to NSW.
Either way something isn’t adding up with this.
And I saw that report as well.
But at least Tasmania as yet hasn't got a hard border but if from Greater Sydney 14 day quarantine.But only if from the Northern Beaches is it only in a Government designated hotel.Others can self isolate if they can.
 
No idea as I said lots of contradictory info.
NSW has been fairly obviously in the camp of not laying blame at any particular individuals or groups. Probably a very good thing as contract tracers may never get accurate info if the people tested believe that their every move will be subjected to forensic scrutiny by a furious public.

Yes. Stories change....and interviewers are not always told the truth. Or additional info is determined.

Note that in my post above that Tim the ABC journo had two different tweets only 7 minutes apart.

My other tweet I quoted earlier ( the one below) was a person responding to Tim's earlier tweet.


Dr Krispy Oz
@KrispyOz31


Replying to
@DarceyHound
and
@MrTimCallanan
2 close contacts from Blackrock Thai restaurant weren't identified until Dec 31 it seems. Dined in NSW on Dec 30 and unknown time on Dec 31. Once informed. Tested immediately. Self isolating.

3:31 PM · Jan 1, 2021·Twitter for Android
 
Got a better source than that ?
I’ve been trying to find one.

The ABC is quoting a Vic Govt source that’s stating they were informed on 30th Dec and continued to travel to NSW.
Either way something isn’t adding up with this.


OK MORE INFO, as Vic DHHS Daily report is now out.

It contains this, see my bolded below, on the 2 Vics in Bega:

Media release
1 January 2021

Victoria has recorded eight new cases of coronavirus since yesterday including five cases in the community and three cases in hotel quarantine.
Five of these cases were reported yesterday.

This brings the number of active cases in Victoria to 18 including nine locally acquired cases and nine in hotel quarantine.

All five of the cases in the community have been identified as primary close contacts to the existing cases in the Mentone and Mitcham clusters. This means that all active cases in the community have been linked to existing cases and the origin of these cases continues to be investigated.
Four of these cases are located in metropolitan Melbourne and one in regional Victoria in Leongatha.

The eight new cases include four males and four females. One person aged under 18, one person in their 30s, one person in their 40s, one person in their 50s, one person in their 60s and three people in their 70s.

NSW has today advised DHHS of two Victorians who undertook testing in NSW and returned a positive result. Contact tracing interviews are underway, they are being supported to isolate and we will provide more information later today.

These cases aren’t counted in Victoria’

 
As of 01/01/21 5:00pm there are updates to the Victorian Public Exposure Sites list.

Sites at Wonthaggi and Forest Hill have been added.

See
 
The first 2 cases at the Thai Black Rock restaurant were announced on the 30/12.so tested positive on the 29/12.So if you are correct and contact tracing in Victoria will have results in 24 hours The couple who went to NSW should have been notified they were close contacts before they had dinner in Eden that night.
And just before 4pm today the Daily Mail have updated their story to state they had been notified before crossing into NSW.
The two Victorians visited the Great Southern Hotel in Eden, in the southern region of NSW, on December 30 from 5pm to 6.30pm.

The pair then ate at Bermi's Beachside Cafe in Bermagui from about 9am to 10am on December 31.

They had been contacted by health workers to tell them they were close contacts on December 30 when they were still in Victoria, and they later sought testing when in NSW.

Now I know the DM isn't the most reliable source but that is now 2 sources saying the same thing.
 
The first 2 cases at the Thai Black Rock restaurant were announced on the 30/12.so tested positive on the 29/12.So if you are correct and contact tracing in Victoria will have results in 24 hours The couple who went to NSW should have been notified they were close contacts before they had dinner in Eden that night.
And just before 4pm today the Daily Mail have updated their story to state they had been notified before crossing into NSW.


Now I know the DM isn't the most reliable source but that is now 2 sources saying the same thing.


Yes more detail in that link. Looks like they were like the Portsea (Aspen) couple and that Dr Chant may have just have been shall we say polite.


Plus I wonder if they had a day or two stop off in Lakes Entrance on the way to Eden? Presumably they were at the restaurant in Melbourne on the 21st.

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Someone help me out here.
Had a friend and his family fly NTL-OOL today with JQ, no checks on arrival or border security in sight. Does QLD currently have no restrictions with NSW?
 
No word yet on the genomic testing for the first cases in Vic from this outbreak.

They said hopefully by this afternoon, ad if not then tomorrow morning. So looks like it may be tomorrow morning.
 
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