Australian state border restrictions

HappyFlyerFamily said:
If Qld getting to 70% is the benchmark - then there is no chance. Another school holidays gone.

I actually think the Qld CHO will be taking her new post before Qld get to 70% fully vaccinated. So bookings for Christmas might be at risk.

Edit: Just found out the new post is taken on 1 November - I think Qld might be end of November when 70% fully vaccinated is reached.
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HappyFlyerFamily said:
If Qld getting to 70% is the benchmark - then there is no chance. Another school holidays gone.

I actually think the Qld CHO will be taking her new post before Qld get to 70% fully vaccinated. So bookings for Christmas might be at risk.

Edit: Just found out the new post is taken on 1 November - I think Qld might be end of November when 70% fully vaccinated is reached.
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I suspect once 1 Nov rolls around and we have a more pro-vax CHO our vax rates will accelerate 😊
 
Can you imagine the backlash a state (WA) would receive if all of Aus was travelling about seeing family & leisure trips all over & your state was lockout out. QLD will cave in cos their so reliant on tourism & couldn't afford to lose xmas.

The loss of tourism, loss of family gatherings, my goodness, wouldn't be good.

I have faith in covidlive saying Aus 80% November 18th while QLD comes in last a month later.

All done by Christmas, bring on 2022.
 
In some good news...
Western Australia is easing border controls with South Australia — it's being reclassified from low risk to very low risk, meaning no quarantine is required.

The hard border with Queensland is coming down, it's being reclassified from medium to low risk. There are still some restrictions in place.
 

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MooTime said:
Can you imagine the backlash a state (WA) would receive if all of Aus was travelling about seeing family & leisure trips all over & your state was lockout out. QLD will cave in cos their so reliant on tourism & couldn't afford to lose xmas.

The loss of tourism, loss of family gatherings, my goodness, wouldn't be good.

I have faith in covidlive saying Aus 80% November 18th while QLD comes in last a month later.

All done by Christmas, bring on 2022.
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Wish I shared your optimism. Be wonderful to fly somewhere oversea's in first half of next year.
 
My concern with the optimism flowing from Doherty, is that the predictions are based on high levels of contact tracing. My feeling is that when Covid gets going, contact tracing is irrelevant. If the time period for an infected person to become contagious is less than the time period required for contact tracing, it's game over.
In Sydney, 1000 cases in a day. Assuming each person visited one venue whilst contagious. There's only check in, not checkout so there's going to be at least 10 people potentially touched by the event. That's 10,000 people to contact before they in their turn become potential spreaders. On an Ro of 1.4, the numbers will double every two days. Anything over 100 cases, I can't see how even a Gold Standard tracing system can keep up.
 
nutwood said:
My concern with the optimism flowing from Doherty, is that the predictions are based on high levels of contact tracing. My feeling is that when Covid gets going, contact tracing is irrelevant. If the time period for an infected person to become contagious is less than the time period required for contact tracing, it's game over.
In Sydney, 1000 cases in a day. Assuming each person visited one venue whilst contagious. There's only check in, not checkout so there's going to be at least 10 people potentially touched by the event. That's 10,000 people to contact before they in their turn become potential spreaders. On an Ro of 1.4, the numbers will double every two days. Anything over 100 cases, I can't see how even a Gold Standard tracing system can keep up.
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Cases don’t matter in a vaccinated population. Hospitalisations matter.
 
antycbr said:
Cases don’t matter in a vaccinated population. Hospitalisations matter.
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Totally agree. I'm not sure why we are fixated on cases. In Sydney, it's out of control and has been for some time. Time and effort expended on testing etc would be better spent on vaccinating. Given the numbers, a sizable portion of Sydney must now be expected to self isolate. Totally unenforceable.
 
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nutwood said:
Totally agree. I'm not sure why we are fixated on cases. In Sydney, it's out of control and has been for some time. Time and effort expended on testing etc would be better spent on vaccinating. Given the numbers, a sizable portion of Sydney must now be expected to self isolate. Totally unenforceable.
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They are not fixated on cases in Sydney except to the extent that they are trying to keep the R eff down to stop the number of cases rising in a population that’s still majority unvaccinated.
8-10% of those unvaccinated who contract Covid need hospitalization. If there is creep of what we are seeing in Western/ SW Sydney there will be a lot more of the Tent hospital triage and subsequent pressure on ED and ICU statewide.

There seems to have been a not so subtle shift (not that I’m privy to anything high level here) to vaccinating the population as an Emergency with an equal if not greater emphasis on this and trying to bring along our population under some level of restrictions until we get there.

In the regions with their case numbers there can still be a focus on driving them to zero especially so given the relatively smaller numbers but greater danger to the Aboriginal communities and harder access to critical care (more retrieval’s etc).
 
nutwood said:
Totally agree. I'm not sure why we are fixated on cases. In Sydney, it's out of control and has been for some time. Time and effort expended on testing etc would be better spent on vaccinating. Given the numbers, a sizable portion of Sydney must now be expected to self isolate. Totally unenforceable.
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It is certainly not out of control.

The R0 for Delta is between 5-8, but NSW has the R eff at 1.3

If you want to see out of control, the ~800>~1050 jump we saw would have been ~800 > ~5000.
 
Hundreds left stranded amid new border restrictions - another compassionate and empathetic decision by Queeensland. These are stories of people moving to Queensland who are now in limbo - leases given up, furniture and belongings en route, old jobs given up and new jobs accepted in Queensland. And now they just have to wait out a short notice border slam, to be followed by the expense of 2 weeks in quarantine. Not cool Queensland. Not cool at all.


Hundreds left stranded amid new border restrictions
 
nutwood said:
There's only check in, not checkout so there's going to be at least 10 people potentially touched by the event.
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Incorrect, the Service NSW app has check out functionality, and if you forget to check out it prompts you to do so (unless you have already checked in at next venue). Checking out is best way to ensure you don't end up a false close contact.
 
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Seat0B said:
Hundreds left stranded amid new border restrictions - another compassionate and empathetic decision by Queeensland. These are stories of people moving to Queensland who are now in limbo - leases given up, furniture and belongings en route, old jobs given up and new jobs accepted in Queensland. And now they just have to wait out a short notice border slam, to be followed by the expense of 2 weeks in quarantine. Not cool Queensland. Not cool at all.


Hundreds left stranded amid new border restrictions
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It’s disgusting.
 
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