Australian state border restrictions

[Danger]

The transit provision link isn’t working for me.

Apologies. The link is a PDF so I'm obviously doing something wrong. It's the top link here: TRANSITING AIRCRAFT PASSENGERS DIRECTIONS (NO 3) - Google Search

 

[jakeseven7]

I'm going for a late March/Early April opening. Some pundits are mid-March, while others are early March. Whatever it is, I doubt there will be much notice.

The problem that has been created now with the WA border delay disaster is that a trap has been well and truly laid for the WA Premier and he will fall into to it whatever he does.

- Modelling released has shown that delaying has actually put more WA residents at risk due to the vaccine fade - so he opens, Fail.

- People are clearly not that excited about the booster shot (anywhere, including WA) - so no point waiting for something that’s not going to happen, Fail

- Virus is spreading rapidly inside the state as the border restrictions failed, so staying closed is also already a….Fail

Whatever happens now they are just another government now that has lied, misled and backflipped. And people clearly now realise it as the smoke created by ‘pandemonium chaos crush kill’ garbage propaganda has been revealed to be… nothing but empty BS.

I think the only way out for the border decision now is to just rip the band aid off, like everyone else did and get it over and done with.

 

[flydoc]

And possibly related to the border shenanigans 3 Perth Glory men's A league matches and one Women's match will be played in Launceston this month.

Glory days secured for Tassie as Perth and government land a deal

The games will be played at UTAS Stadium

www.examiner.com.au

Yet AFLW teams appear to be travelling to play in Perth?

AFLW Match Centre

The home of the NAB AFL Women's. Who are you supporting in the 2023 NAB AFLW S8 competition? Our Stories, GenW, Women of AFLW, The People

www.womens.afl

 

[33kft]

I find it interesting that a lot of QLDers who passionately defended AP's prolonged border games in the past are taking WA to task now.

Not so much on here but in real life it is a common thing to encounter in my work circles at least.

What a difference 2 months (and I'm being generous here) makes in a pandemic.

I'm yet to forget any of it to be honest when it comes to future bookings, but there is certainly a weighted ranking and one state that happens to be half way to Asia is going to be overflown for years to come, at least where it is my money funding it.

 

[PineappleSkip]

just a bunch of independent countries wheeling to stick together IF they pleased.

That's exactly how the Constitution was framed. There are 7 points to the stars on the Australian flag, and the Commonwealth is only one of them. The States had been bestowed unlimited "all causes whatsoever" powers, and only conceded limited and specific powers when they signed up to the Commonwealth. We're only Australian citizens or residents because the states conceded powers of naturalisation and immigration and the like to the Commonwealth. So we are like a USA, not an EU.

However, the ideal of only one government for each public service went pear shaped. To fund the war effort during WW2, the Commonwealth pulled a neat trick and usurped the states' taxing powers. As a result, the Commonwealth now has a lot of power to screw over the states because it raises most of the money.

What has happened post war and particularly over the last 30 years is that the Commonwealth has dipped its oars into the water of things like Health and Education, in the name of uniformity and consistency, but effectively creating duplicate bureaucracies. Personally I'd be a happier chappy if the Feds just butted out of this duplication, and left it to the States. I learned a state curriculum at school, not a national one, and the sky didn't fall once. Now we have a dogs' breakfast of bureaucracy in so many areas.

...IF they pleased.

BTW a lot of punters in WA got displeased in the depression and voted to secede in a 1933 referendum. They petitioned the UK to amend the Constitution. The UK, having recognised Australia as a nation, said "see what they reckon over East". Secession went down like a lead balloon over East and WA has been their hostage ever since.

Cheers skip

 

[Spongbob]

Section 109?

 

[Port Power]

Waaaaay too much.
I don't see Australia as country of its own any more, just bunch of independent countries wheeling to stick together IF they pleased.

Can't get this:
If international border control is responsibility of feds, why they can't just say ok, from midnight border in PER international terminal is open for everyone according to national plan. You are all fully vaccinated, so suck it up and deal with it.
You can blow up domestic terminal altogether if you pleased, but you can't stop ppl arriving from Singapore as it's federal border force you deal with on arrival, not wapol and you entering Australia, not just WA.

People can arrive into the federal airport under this premise, but not then into Western Australia or any state without that state’s permission. You are forgetting Australia is a Federation of States. Pineapple Skip explained it well. So they would all have to remain in the airport federal precinct.

 

[Port Power]

I marvel that I was easily able to travel overseas for work during the pandemic, but not to WA. And other states from time to time, including being locked out of my own.

Cheers skip

I have had no problems returning to WA, I have already had my G2G approved for the next trip interstate. Yes, I do have to isolate for 7 days on return, but nothing more onerous.

However….my flight to Hobart next month has been cancelled. I think all direct flights have been cancelled due to the ridiculous WA border situation. The NZ Qantas call centre member was quite firm as to why the direct flights have all been cancelled. Now I am flying via Melbourne, but a day earlier! So an extra night hotel accommodation to pay for. Not happy, Jan!,!

 

[antycbr]

I have had no problems returning to WA, I have already had my G2G approved for the next trip interstate. Yes, I do have to isolate for 7 days on return, but nothing more onerous.

However….my flight to Hobart next month has been cancelled. I think all direct flights have been cancelled due to the ridiculous WA border situation. The NZ Qantas call centre member was quite firm as to why the direct flights have all been cancelled. Now I am flying via Melbourne, but a day earlier! So an extra night hotel accommodation to pay for. Not happy, Jan!,!

You should be thankful that you have any interstate air service at all, especially from Alan Joyce who has made his thoughts on the regime in the west very clear.

 

[antycbr]

People can arrive into the federal airport under this premise, but not then into Western Australia or any state without that state’s permission. You are forgetting Australian is a Federation of States.

That restriction would only work for about the first full 777. You’d have the AFP on one side and the WAPOL on the other end of Horrie Miller Dr. Think of it as a reverse Kabul Airport where people are trying to get out, rather than in.

The media would crucify both sides.

If there wasn’t a federal election this year the crazy brave approach may have been taken, but I assume the PM still needs some of the WA seats.

 

[exceladdict]

If there wasn’t a federal election this year the crazy brave approach may have been taken, but I assume the PM still needs some of the WA seats.

More than some!

- People are clearly not that excited about the booster shot (anywhere, including WA) - so no point waiting for something that’s not going to happen, Fail

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Whatever happens now they are just another government now that has lied, misled and backflipped. And people clearly now realise it as the smoke created by ‘pandemonium chaos crush kill’ garbage propaganda has been revealed to be… nothing but empty BS.

I think the only way out for the border decision now is to just rip the band aid off, like everyone else did and get it over and done with.

The band aid is coming off, ready or not.

On boosters - the third dose rate seems to be raising pretty consistently, this is what the opposition are using as justification to push for an early march opening. I think that may be what ends up happening. I think we crossed 51% today, up from 20/30-something when the border decision was pushed back?

 

[N860CR]

If there wasn’t a federal election this year the crazy brave approach may have been taken, but I assume the PM still needs some of the WA seats.

This. Canberra isn’t prepared to touch it because they need at least some of WA to vote for the current government. The fact that so many people love this insular, “get out of my town” behavior is a whole different issue. Especially considering it’s powerful enough to swing a federal election.

 

[jase05]

This. Canberra isn’t prepared to touch it because they need at least some of WA to vote for the current government. The fact that so many people love this insular, “get out of my town” behavior is a whole different issue. Especially considering it’s powerful enough to swing a federal election.

They are going to get annihilated regardless of a couple of seats in WA.

 

[oz_mark]

The problem that has been created now with the WA border delay disaster is that a trap has been well and truly laid for the WA Premier and he will fall into to it whatever he does.

- Modelling released has shown that delaying has actually put more WA residents at risk due to the vaccine fade - so he opens, Fail.

- People are clearly not that excited about the booster shot (anywhere, including WA) - so no point waiting for something that’s not going to happen, Fail

- Virus is spreading rapidly inside the state as the border restrictions failed, so staying closed is also already a….Fail

Whatever happens now they are just another government now that has lied, misled and backflipped. And people clearly now realise it as the smoke created by ‘pandemonium chaos crush kill’ garbage propaganda has been revealed to be… nothing but empty BS.

I think the only way out for the border decision now is to just rip the band aid off, like everyone else did and get it over and done with.

I think you underestimate his spin machine. There will be a degree of theatrics that go with this, that will shift any blame in an easterly direction.

 

[PineappleSkip]

Section 109?

...of the Constitution? Only applies in reality where Commonwealth has concurrent power and there is inconsistency. The Commonwealth's law making powers are quite limited in the first place, with most spelled out in s51.

Cheers skip

 

[jakeseven7]

I think you underestimate his spin machine. There will be a degree of theatrics that go with this, that will shift any blame in an easterly direction.

I don’t underestimate their border restriction spin machine, not at all.

I do however overestimate a lot of people’s propensity in WA to swallow it hook line and sinker (albeit this is dropping rapidly it seems)

 

[Jenya]

Finally over 100 local cases

 

[gourmet333]

Hi everyone, I'm possibly going to book a ff flight from MEL - MXP in may and the flight route is Mel- Per on Qantas and then it connects with a PER - Doha and Doha -MXP Qatar flight. There would be 2 and a half hours in Perth to connect from one flight to the other. Forgive me if this has already been answered but I can't find in the 332 pages of this thread but can I transit Perth without having to isolate and quarantine and any other nonsense? And can anyone see any issues with this? Thanks in advance.

 

[SJF211]

Hi everyone, I'm possibly going to book a ff flight from MEL - MXP in may and the flight route is Mel- Per on Qantas and then it connects with a PER - Doha and Doha -MXP Qatar flight. There would be 2 and a half hours in Perth to connect from one flight to the other. Forgive me if this has already been answered but I can't find in the 332 pages of this thread but can I transit Perth without having to isolate and quarantine and any other nonsense? And can anyone see any issues with this? Thanks in advance.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

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Hi everyone, I'm possibly going to book a ff flight from MEL - MXP in may and the flight route is Mel- Per on Qantas and then it connects with a PER - Doha and Doha -MXP Qatar flight. There would be 2 and a half hours in Perth to connect from one flight to the other. Forgive me if this has already been answered but I can't find in the 332 pages of this thread but can I transit Perth without having to isolate and quarantine and any other nonsense? And can anyone see any issues with this? Thanks in advance.

sjf211 points out, it should be acceptable.

The only thing not specified is whether they regulate how you are able to spend your time in Perth international terminal (eg do they prevent access to J/F/paid lounge). Hopefully silence means freedom. Also international airport being theoretically Federal jurisdiction.