Avianca "Lifemiles" - Questions and Discussion

[lobo76]

re: Avianca "Life Miles" - New FF program in *A

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[MaxLaughton]

re: Avianca "Life Miles" - New FF program in *A

Understandable.

 

[robcuk]

re: Avianca "Life Miles" - New FF program in *A

Regional surely ?

No, I was pretty surprised to find it especially as it was linked to LH F as well. From memory it
was FRA - DEL (LH F) DEL - SIN (SQ F) Obviously was within 14 days of dept.

 

[Shanye2233]

re: Avianca "Life Miles" - New FF program in *A

Maxlaugton welcome to AFF . What is it you need to know ? I'm not the kind to decide who gets the info or not. You joined your welcome to know whatever I know

 

[anat0l]

re: Avianca "Life Miles" - New FF program in *A

No, I was pretty surprised to find it especially as it was linked to LH F as well. From memory it
was FRA - DEL (LH F) DEL - SIN (SQ F) Obviously was within 14 days of dept.

That SQ F would be classed as regional, I'd imagine. I'd harbour a guess it is operated by a 777-200.

 

[robcuk]

re: Avianca "Life Miles" - New FF program in *A

Old F seats? I think it was 5h 45 min in duration. How is regional determined? Length of flight in time or would be it distance?

 

[MaxLaughton]

re: Avianca "Life Miles" - New FF program in *A

Maxlaugton welcome to AFF . What is it you need to know ? I'm not the kind to decide who gets the info or not. You joined your welcome to know whatever I know

I was just curious about the stuff people were mentioning a few pages ago regarding zoning.

 

[Shanye2233]

re: Avianca "Life Miles" - New FF program in *A

Basically a few days ago I mentioned a airport FUJ which can get you to Asia less than half the correct milage your suppose to Pay. There is only Y seats on this routing . There also is MAJ if you want to go to usa for alot cheaper as well . Again only in Y settings and unfortunately this is why I gave those routing up because I will never be flying in Y . There are many routing in J over to Europe , USA but you'll have to PM me for those ones. Also I won't tell you everything only help you with what you need .

 

[MaxLaughton]

re: Avianca "Life Miles" - New FF program in *A

Basically a few days ago I mentioned a airport FUJ which can get you to Asia less than half the correct milage your suppose to Pay. There is only Y seats on this routing . There also is MAJ if you want to go to usa for alot cheaper as well . Again only in Y settings and unfortunately this is why I gave those routing up because I will never be flying in Y . There are many routing in J over to Europe , USA but you'll have to PM me for those ones. Also I won't tell you everything only help you with what you need .

That's cool. Thanks for giving me a bit of an idea at least ha, if I'm looking to plan anything in the future I'll make a request

 

[trooper]

re: Avianca "Life Miles" - New FF program in *A

lobo76

Mate, (not surprisingly :shock::mrgreen your mailbox is full....

I shall try again some other time........ I'm pretty up to date on USDM... but only recently got a bunch of LM's.... Sounds like some interesting options exist...

Thanks!

 

[anat0l]

re: Avianca "Life Miles" - New FF program in *A

Old F seats? I think it was 5h 45 min in duration. How is regional determined? Length of flight in time or would be it distance?

Bit of a cannibalistic combination of those and generally "region". SQ regional product is used on almost all Asia flights. India is part of Asia. Flights to Dubai, as UAE is also part of Asia, is also regional product. Most of Australasia is also operated with regional product.

SQ still have a few 777-200 and -300 (not the -300ER) which have the old F product - paired seating, lie flat, but quite large and comfortable enough for a regional flight.

Broad generalisation but that's generally how it is. Exceptions include NRT, HKG etc. basically the one hop points for SQ's long haul flights. And of course SYD and MEL. Some F in obtainable on these flights, but naturally rare.

 

[casanovawa]

re: Avianca "Life Miles" - New FF program in *A

Its also worth noting that some of the cheap destinations in central asia might be complicated by the fact that you may need a visa to enter those countries and even if your planning to ditch the last leg or two that an airline may not let you board a flight in one of the earlier transit airports if you can't demonstrate that you have the visa for the final destination...

But yes i would probably do one of the cheap Y flights to the US when i get access to the spreadsheet and buy my next lot of lifemiles (didn't get around to it this offer just gone), maybe do a Y one way and J in the other direction... Ok doing Y now and then, specially on a half decent airline...

 

[BobbyFlyer]

re: Avianca "Life Miles" - New FF program in *A

I've been noticing a lot less SQ and UA J and F seats from SIN to Japan for next year. There used to be lots of J seats about 10 months out when i've been looking over last year, but they have all been taken off. Not sure why. Guess thats why we've got to be creative in routings!

 

[casanovawa]

re: Avianca "Life Miles" - New FF program in *A

Bit of a cannibalistic combination of those and generally "region". SQ regional product is used on almost all Asia flights. India is part of Asia. Flights to Dubai, as UAE is also part of Asia, is also regional product. Most of Australasia is also operated with regional product.

SQ still have a few 777-200 and -300 (not the -300ER) which have the old F product - paired seating, lie flat, but quite large and comfortable enough for a regional flight.

Broad generalisation but that's generally how it is. Exceptions include NRT, HKG etc. basically the one hop points for SQ's long haul flights. And of course SYD and MEL. Some F in obtainable on these flights, but naturally rare.

If you could get F on LH out of FRA that would still be nice on that leg, and get you into the First Class Terminal or whatever wouldn't it??? Although DEL would hardly be the greatest transit airport, and i think on SIN-DEL-FRA the transit time was about 4 hours and over midnight into the am morning hours i think when i looked one time and not sure what lounges would be open then???

 

[MEL_Traveller]

re: Avianca "Life Miles" - New FF program in *A

That SQ F would be classed as regional, I'd imagine. I'd harbour a guess it is operated by a 777-200.

correct - regional. however i think it's DEL that has one of its flights subbed once a week for a 77W (apparently on the same day each week I was reading somewhere - can be checked on flightaware). not however that it makes much of a difference in F but would make a difference in business.

 

[smit0847]

re: Avianca "Life Miles" - New FF program in *A

one way to the USA in Y for about $300 is nothing to be sneezed at... even if it is on UA

With taxes and booking fees Im guessing it's more like $450 each way which would be getting close to the price UA would charge normally for a rev ticket (as they dont really have sales in favour of constant low fares), and you wouldn't earn any points or SCs?

If you cant find availability across the Pacific I would consider SYD-ICN-LAX/SFO on OZ. Yes its not direct and I know many people would much prefer a direct flight but I would be just as happy taking a bit longer to get there on a much, much better airline.

 

[burmans]

re: Avianca "Life Miles" - New FF program in *A

If you cant find availability across the Pacific I would consider SYD-ICN-LAX/SFO on OZ. Yes its not direct and I know many people would much prefer a direct flight but I would be just as happy taking a bit longer to get there on a much, much better airline.

Have done this and also UA. For me no real comparison, would do the OZ over UA even with the indirect flight 99 times out of a 100.

 

[anat0l]

re: Avianca "Life Miles" - New FF program in *A

If you could get F on LH out of FRA that would still be nice on that leg, and get you into the First Class Terminal or whatever wouldn't it??? Although DEL would hardly be the greatest transit airport, and i think on SIN-DEL-FRA the transit time was about 4 hours and over midnight into the am morning hours i think when i looked one time and not sure what lounges would be open then???

Oh for sure the itinerary is quite nice if you get it, for LH F, though of course if I could strike it lucky, I'd rather just take the direct LH FRA-SIN (we won't get into the debate about LH F on the 744 vs 388).

correct - regional. however i think it's DEL that has one of its flights subbed once a week for a 77W (apparently on the same day each week I was reading somewhere - can be checked on flightaware). not however that it makes much of a difference in F but would make a difference in business.

I had a suspicion that subouts were possible. Can you truly rely on this? From at least a newbie point of view, not really.

It would make a difference to F as well as the 77W is configured 1-2-1 vs 2-2-2 on regionals; in addition, the 77W has fully flat seats (I believe the regional product is either lie flat or very very long recline, but it is not fully flat).

 

[MEL_Traveller]

re: Avianca "Life Miles" - New FF program in *A

I had a suspicion that subouts were possible. Can you truly rely on this? From at least a newbie point of view, not really.

It would make a difference to F as well as the 77W is configured 1-2-1 vs 2-2-2 on regionals; in addition, the 77W has fully flat seats (I believe the regional product is either lie flat or very very long recline, but it is not fully flat).

the 773 refurbs have 1-2-1 seating in F - 8 seats in the forward cabin and i thought the 2-2-2 configuration had almost gone entirely for both the 772 and 773 with only a couple of them were left for ultra short short flights such as CGK?

as for subbing the 77W to DEL (it might also apply for BOM)... I read someone had done their research on flightaware and it appears there was a standard day, once a week, where the 77W operated in place of the 773 (which would likely be a refurb anyway hence no real difference in F)

 

[anat0l]

re: Avianca "Life Miles" - New FF program in *A

the 773 refurbs have 1-2-1 seating in F - 8 seats in the forward cabin and i thought the 2-2-2 configuration had almost gone entirely for both the 772 and 773 with only a couple of them were left for ultra short short flights such as CGK?

as for subbing the 77W to DEL (it might also apply for BOM)... I read someone had done their research on flightaware and it appears there was a standard day, once a week, where the 77W operated in place of the 773 (which would likely be a refurb anyway hence no real difference in F)

Oh well, then that'll be a nice change!

Still, a five hour flight only (and red eyes are red eyes - tough to deal with, if you have to), but I guess if you have to "brace" it, might as well be up the front