BA has been banned from overflying Russia, is QF next?

[gethsemene]

Sitting in lounge now, not been told (due to board 20mins ago) at this stage I don’t know whether we are flying the old route or the new… The article mentions QF2 as the first flight, but depends on wether they count MEL or DRW as the time of departure of QF9…

 

[justinbrett]

Sitting in lounge now, not been told (due to board 20mins ago) at this stage I don’t know whether we are flying the old route or the new… The article mentions QF2 as the first flight, but depends on wether they count MEL or DRW as the time of departure of QF9…

Flight plans (and indeed crew) a separate for each leg, so it would not be counting ex MEL.

I am sure you will not be going via Russia

 

[Mattg]

I wouldn‘t be surprised to see DRW dropped and replaced with DXB or SIN.

Given the main reasons Qantas gave for extending the routes via DRW will soon no longer apply (WA border closed and Singapore requiring transit pax to get COVID tests), I wonder if the SYD-SIN-LHR and MEL-PER-LHR routes will just get reinstated next month as originally planned.

 

[justinbrett]

Given the main reasons Qantas gave for extending the routes via DRW will soon no longer apply (WA border closed and Singapore requiring transit pax to get COVID tests), I wonder if the SYD-SIN-LHR and MEL-PER-LHR routes will just get reinstated next month as originally planned.

PER-LHR doesn’t solve the oil price problem.

 

[mviy]

There are rostering, scheduling etc. issues that make it extremely difficult to make major changes like going via DRW to going via PER at short notice.

I think the switch back to going via PER will happen at the delayed time that was already announced.

 

[Mattg]

There are rostering, scheduling etc. issues that make it extremely difficult to make major changes like going via DRW to going via PER at short notice.

I think the switch back to going via PER will happen at the delayed time that was already announced.

One month isn't really that short notice, though?

QF keeps boasting about how nimble it's been to quickly adjust schedules during the pandemic. I'm sure they could manage.

QF isn't even selling seats yet on QF2 between LHR-DRW in April at this stage.

 

[justinbrett]

One month isn't really that short notice, though?

QF keeps boasting about how nimble it's been to quickly adjust schedules during the pandemic. I'm sure they could manage.

QF isn't even selling seats yet on QF2 between LHR-DRW in April at this stage.

I believe QF had to contract the hotels in DRW (supply is very limited coming into the dry season). They’d probably be writing that money off if they have to walk away from DRW.

 

[dajop]

I believe QF had to contract the hotels in DRW (supply is very limited coming into the dry season). They’d probably be writing that money off if they have to walk away from DRW.

They could make them available as special "points rooms" , allowing people to book them with points and milk some PR out of them.

 

[Lynda2475]

I believe QF had to contract the hotels in DRW (supply is very limited coming into the dry season). They’d probably be writing that money off if they have to walk away from DRW.

The could resell rooms those via Qantas hotels to recop most of the cost, especially if run a flight &hotel promo.

 

[OATEK]

They'd be finnished... well not really. AY only really flies to NRT, KIX and ICN at the moment and they're mostly not daily.

I thought AY are flying to SIN regularly (AY133). QF has now banned itself as it was a bit hard for our Government to ban Russian planes that never fly here.

 

[Mr H]

Nothing dates faster than the future, but here's my prediction:

AY will continue to fly over Russian airspace Finland has lived next door to Russia for a long time and long since learned how to make that relationship work. They will not be looking introduce sanctions and will not ban Russian airlines from their airspace.

Russia will not intentionally attack foreign flights. They will not try to force planes to land. This would be a one shot game.

Russia will not fall into war - the war will stay in Ukrainian territory. Flying over Russia will be perfectly safe.

Planes fly over war zones and undesirable nations all the time. Afghanistan, for example, has been at war for most of the past 40+ years and planes have continued to fly across it. Planes fly directly from South Africa to Europe over a whole host of war zones, dictatorships and strange places.

Let's sit back now and see how it pans out. Full disclosure: my OWA includes HEL-NRT in October.

 

[openseat]

Russia will not intentionally attack foreign flights. They will not try to force planes to land. This would be a one shot game.

They do have form. KAL007

 

[Mr H]

They do have form. KAL007

That was accidental. I believe there were western military jets using flight KAL007 as a human shield and they were the real targets.

 

[jrfsp]

Nothing dates faster than the future, but here's my prediction:

AY will continue to fly over Russian airspace Finland has lived next door to Russia for a long time and long since learned how to make that relationship work. They will not be looking introduce sanctions and will not ban Russian airlines from their airspace.

Russia will not intentionally attack foreign flights. They will not try to force planes to land. This would be a one shot game.

Russia will not fall into war - the war will stay in Ukrainian territory. Flying over Russia will be perfectly safe.

Planes fly over war zones and undesirable nations all the time. Afghanistan, for example, has been at war for most of the past 40+ years and planes have continued to fly across it. Planes fly directly from South Africa to Europe over a whole host of war zones, dictatorships and strange places.

Let's sit back now and see how it pans out. Full disclosure: my OWA includes HEL-NRT in October.

I cant see them not reciprocating to Finlands ban, they have done so in every other instance

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Yesterday Finland has already signalled a closure of airspace to Russia.

Ukraine invasion: EU shuts airspace to Russian planes

Russian planes will now be unable to land in, take off from or fly over any EU nation.

www.bbc.com

 

[Mr H]

I cant see them not reciprocating to Finlands ban, they have done so in every other instance

Has Finland banned them?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Nothing dates faster than the future, but here's my prediction:

AY will continue to fly over Russian airspace Finland has lived next door to Russia for a long time and long since learned how to make that relationship work. They will not be looking introduce sanctions and will not ban Russian airlines from their airspace.

Russia will not intentionally attack foreign flights. They will not try to force planes to land. This would be a one shot game.

Russia will not fall into war - the war will stay in Ukrainian territory. Flying over Russia will be perfectly safe.

Planes fly over war zones and undesirable nations all the time. Afghanistan, for example, has been at war for most of the past 40+ years and planes have continued to fly across it. Planes fly directly from South Africa to Europe over a whole host of war zones, dictatorships and strange places.

Let's sit back now and see how it pans out. Full disclosure: my OWA includes HEL-NRT in October.

I think QF’s own statement that it has stopped flying ‘due to complexities’ probably recognises things such as a diversion due to a problem with the aircraft or a medical emergency. Let’s say one of their flights are diverted… how would QF even pay for fuel if SWIFT payments get banned as part of the sanctions? If there is a mechanical issue, how do they accommodate pax in hotels? etc.

 

[jrfsp]

Has Finland banned them?

Yes already announced, takes hold within the next few hours

 

[Mr H]

Yesterday Finland has already signalled a closure of airspace to Russia.

Ukraine invasion: EU shuts airspace to Russian planes

Russian planes will now be unable to land in, take off from or fly over any EU nation.

www.bbc.com

Well that knocks my predictions out. Is quarter of an hour a record for predictions to be shattered?

 

[jrfsp]

Well that knocks my predictions out. Is quarter of an hour a record for predictions to be shattered?

But to your point i wouldnt be surprised if AY cans all Japan flights, can shift pax onto JAL if they are still an option.

Thailand and siingapore should be doable for them with a longer route