BA has been banned from overflying Russia, is QF next?

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Well that knocks my predictions out. Is quarter of an hour a record for predictions to be shattered?

Its probably a negative half day. But things may brighten by the time of your trip in October.

 

[justinbrett]

Well that knocks my predictions out. Is quarter of an hour a record for predictions to be shattered?

Always read up thread before posting

 

[Mr H]

Always read up thread before posting

Quite true. I'll console myself by reading the threads from March 2020 with people predicting the course of Covid disruptions.

 

[milehighclub]

QF keeps boasting about how nimble it's been to quickly adjust schedules during the pandemic. I'm sure they could manage.

Because of how the rostering works and time frames, the rosters were published for crew with PER/LHR flying for end of March. They wouldn't have to make any changes post the original March date planned for PER/LHR.

I imagine where it is a little more complicated is from the passenger side but I agree with you, it would be easily managed.

 

[jrfsp]

Well that knocks my predictions out. Is quarter of an hour a record for predictions to be shattered?

Update RE Finnair

Nordic countries prepare to shut airspace to Russian planes

Sweden, Finland and Denmark said they were preparing to close their airspace to Russian planes on Sunday, joining a string of European countries taking this measure after Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

www.reuters.com

"If Russia in parallel closes its airspace from Finnish aircrafts, it would have significant impact on Finnair as our Asian traffic would in practice come to a standstill", Finnair spokeswoman told Reuters in an emailed statement on Sunday.

"Going around Russian airspace prolongs flight times so much that it would not be financially possible to operate our Asian flights,"

 

[justinbrett]

At this point I will be surprised if Japan doesn’t follow suit. Obviously a lot to lose for them - effectively cutting themselves off a direct link to Europe - but their quest for stronger security ties in the Pacific, especially in the case of Chinese aggression, should make the move inevitable.

This is not about airlines, this is about nations.

 

[jb747]

JB - what discretion would a Captain have in situations like this? While QF would never knowingly fly over dangerous territory this is a unique situation - as mentioned on the other thread Russia could conceivably force a western aircraft to land and check/confirm paperwork etc as an act of intimidation.

Does a QF Captain have the authority to reject the proposed flight plan, and in this example, route the QF1 over the middle east etc? Rather than flying over Russia? Extra flight time, fuel etc etc - would their be a "please explain" from senior management?

Not without going through the chief pilot. It’s not a simple case of rerunning the flight plan. In any event, I understand the decision has come from the CP and Russian overflights are out.

 

[gethsemene]

Flight plans (and indeed crew) a separate for each leg, so it would not be counting ex MEL.

I am sure you will not be going via Russia

So for those playing along at home, lounge dragon believes we’re flying the old route and new one starts tomorrow. There have been no announcements of any changes and the arrival time in London still reflects only the short delay in Mel.
I think we’re going north!

 

[justinbrett]

So for those playing along at home, lounge dragon believes we’re flying the old route and new one starts tomorrow. There have been no announcements of any changes and the arrival time in London still reflects only the short delay in Mel.
I think we’re going north!

QF1 went via UAE. QF9 didn’t have their plan when I checked.

Edit - it’s up now. You’re also going via UAE.

 

[gethsemene]

Ah, cool! I’m probably the only person not working on that plane whom knows that in Darwin!

 

[justinbrett]

Ah, cool! I’m probably the only person not working on that plane whom knows that in Darwin!

For what it’s worth, and @jb747 correct me if I’m wrong, Lounge Dragons don’t get consulted on flight plans. They would have no idea.

 

[gethsemene]

Absolutely, they did the sensible thing and checked the London arrival time, hadn’t changed so assumed same route.

 

[jb747]

For what it’s worth, and @jb747 correct me if I’m wrong, Lounge Dragons don’t get consulted on flight plans. They would have no idea.

They would have no access to flight plans.

 

[TheInsider]

They would have no access to flight plans.

Most wouldn't even know what a flight plan does! It's just so far out the scope.

 

[Mr H]

For what it’s worth, and @jb747 correct me if I’m wrong, Lounge Dragons don’t get consulted on flight plans. They would have no idea.

But they might have been told whether planes were flying over Russia - it is a question that pax are likely to ask.

 

[offshore171]

Looking at FR24 this morning, QF9 is 7 hours down route out of Darwin is tracking over southern India, and the total estimated flight time is almost 17 hours. Presumably it normally tracks well north of this?

 

[LindaPowell]

Perth should have fully open borders in a few weeks - already allow outbound transits (eg Oz - Per - O/S). But someone did mention/show that Darwin via Middle East to LHR was about the same as Perth to LHR.

Wish you a safe flight and a love-fulfilling family reunion.

I am booked to fly Perth to LHR on 16th June but flights have been changed to fly Perth to Darwin and then Darwin to Perth. This happened the day before the border opening was changed. Fingers crossed that it will revert back to Perth as I had to have a 9 hour stop in Darwin.

 

[mviy]

If it doesn’t change back I presume the routing via Darwin would give you more SCs.

 

[LindaPowell]

Given the main reasons Qantas gave for extending the routes via DRW will soon no longer apply (WA border closed and Singapore requiring transit pax to get COVID tests), I wonder if the SYD-SIN-LHR and MEL-PER-LHR routes will just get reinstated next month as originally planned.

My June flight PER to LHR has been changed to DRW to LHR

 

[LindaPowell]

Because of how the rostering works and time frames, the rosters were published for crew with PER/LHR flying for end of March. They wouldn't have to make any changes post the original March date planned for PER/LHR.

I imagine where it is a little more complicated is from the passenger side but I agree with you, it would be easily managed.

I had a booking PER to LHR on 19th June but the day before the border announcement was made my flight was rerouted to PER -DRW-LHR giving me a 9 hour wait at DRW. I am hopeful this will now revert back to my original booking, well fingers crossed.