Ban the hi vis gear in business lounge!

[amaroo]

I've a son in the army... It's a shame you can't have a little more pride in the military. I'll bet their fatigues were clean and pressed.

A uniform or occupation should never define a person.

IMO, miner or military - if they are clean & dressed in uniform they have equal rights!

 

[SeatBackForward]

There are two types of Wearers
1) Those who believe what they wear is a representation of themselves.
2) Those who believe clothes do not represent themselves.

Then there are two lots of observers:
A) Those who don't care about the impression others clothes make
B) Those who do care about the impression others clotes make

Now there you you, four possible combinations of how people will behave 1A, 1B, 2A and 2B..Take a corner and wait for the bell to ring *ding ding*

 

[Greggsy]

I've a son in the army... It's a shame you can't have a little more pride in the military. I'll bet their fatigues were clean and pressed.

It was a tongue in cheek comment.

Their uniforms were just as clean and pressed as my hi-vis shirt.


Greg.

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[DC3]

Yes, medhead. Very much a misnomer. No such term as fatigues in the Australian military as far as I'm aware. It comes from watching US television shows I think.

Also, as far as I know, they're designed to be laundered, and non-iron. Although some people here are saying that they have seen them ironed/pressed? So maybe I've got that bit wrong. A bit OT, I know.

 

[eastwest101]

I am no expert and sorry to take the topic further OT but I think that the Aus military has two versions of its uniform for all services, a "formal" or "dress uniform" involving ironing shirts and pants etc and an "informal" army camo's or possibly airforce and navy versions of this?

 

[DC3]

I am no expert and sorry to take the topic further OT but I think that the Aus military has two versions of its uniform for all services, a "formal" or "dress uniform" involving ironing shirts and pants etc and an "informal" army camo's or possibly airforce and navy versions of this?

Yes, and the fatigues that people see would be the cam outfit, I guess. The summer/winter dress (uniform) is not the cams.

 

[medhead]

Yes, medhead. Very much a misnomer. No such term as fatigues in the Australian military as far as I'm aware. It comes from watching US television shows I think.

Also, as far as I know, they're designed to be laundered, and non-iron. Although some people here are saying that they have seen them ironed/pressed? So maybe I've got that bit wrong. A bit OT, I know.

I was taught that they are non iron. Apparently, you could get in trouble of ironing them, so there was supposed to be a trade off between having them neat but not too neat. However, the good set (for parades, wearing in public, etc.) must be ironed.

I was given 2 reasons for the non-iron rule both invoked a "coating" on the fabric that was destroyed by ironing. The coating was stated as either insecticide or a thermal blocking agent. In both stories it washed out within 4 or 5 washes.

So basically it boiled down to a load of old cobblers. Only time I wore the dress uniform was ANZAC day and when Charlie visited.


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[Deleted member]

I was taught that they are non iron. Apparently, you could get in trouble of ironing them, so there was supposed to be a trade off between having them neat but not too neat. However, the good set (for parades, wearing in public, etc.) must be ironed.

I was given 2 reasons for the non-iron rule both invoked a "coating" on the fabric that was destroyed by ironing. The coating was stated as either insecticide or a thermal blocking agent. In both stories it washed out within 4 or 5 washes.

So basically it boiled down to a load of old cobblers. Only time I wore the dress uniform was ANZAC day and when Charlie visited.


Sent from the Throne

Greens were the go in my day. (30 years ago) We had to starch them and that was interesting.
The new uniforms look more simple to maintain.

 

[bugayev]

DPCU (Disruptive Pattern Camouflage Uniform) is the approved uniform of the day for the majority of the Army and are specifically listed as the approved dress for travel on domestic air services along with the Hat KFF (Khaki Fur Felt slouch hat). Polyesters (the more formal looking uniform) are typically not required on flights such as these.

They are not referred to as fatigues in any official documentation only as DPCU - DPDU being the other alternative which is Desert camo.

In terms of pressing/ironing, this IS required when you are out and about, but not to the point of razor sharp creases - just around the collar/yoke of the shirt and various other places.

 

[beardoc]

it's an everyday, vanilla flavoured, bog standard airline lounge......not a gentleman's club!

I think that actually comes to the heart of the issue for some people. There are private clubs, like the Australian Club, that are super-exclusive and for whom membership is limited, but you have to know members in order to join. For some, these clubs are just a way of having a private space and networking, but for others it's the element that the clubs are exclusive that give some members some satisfaction and sense of worth from being in an exclusive group.

I think some people with WP or WP1 see this as a sort of a private club in the same vein, that it's a private club that is super-exclusive that makes you feel special for being a member. But it isn't a private club at all - it's a club that QANTAS sets up to further its commercial interests for which there are entry requirements that are clearly defined and publicly available. I think some people think that it is a private gentleman's club, though, and that's where some of the friction is coming from.

 

[markis10]

I am not sure the Caboolture Sports Club is that private but it's board seem the be echoing some of the sentiment expressed in this thread:

Caboolture Sports Club's dress standards apply to all members.
The following standards apply at all times

• No rubber thongs (any time of day)
• No singlets or sleveless shirts
• No caps or men's headwear
• No swimwear
• No torn or obscene clothing
• No soiled workwear

After 6pm the following also applies

• No high visibility or industrial workwear

 

[haydensydney]

I am not sure the Caboolture Sports Club is that private but it's board seem the be echoing some of the sentiment expressed in this thread:

*resists urge to return to thread*

**fights urge**

***shakes fist***

 

[beardoc]

I am not sure the Caboolture Sports Club is that private but it's board seem the be echoing some of the sentiment expressed in this thread:

Caboolture Sports Club's dress standards apply to all members.
The following standards apply at all times

• No rubber thongs (any time of day)
• No singlets or sleveless shirts
• No caps or men's headwear
• No swimwear
• No torn or obscene clothing
• No soiled workwear

After 6pm the following also applies

• No high visibility or industrial workwear

If that's the case, and it's enforced, then good luck to them. In the case of the QANTAS Club, QANTAS Lounge managers are allowing hi-viz wear as per their rules on lounge manager discretion. If you have an issue, take it up with QF, right?

 

[amaroo]

I am not sure the Caboolture Sports Club is that private but it's board seem the be echoing some of the sentiment expressed in this thread:

Long bow drawn with this example!

These types of places have a hard time stopping people turning up in their PJ's or hospital gowns

 

[DC3]

These types of places have a hard time stopping people turning up in their PJ's or hospital gowns

Airline lounges or Sports Clubs?

 

[MatF]

I'm a Manager with one of the large mining companies. I'm Brisbane head office based, but go to site perhaps twice a month or so on average.

I occasionally wear a high vis shirt in the QP or J lounge, but generally only if I'm flying BNE-NTL or BNE-MKY and going straight to site (I live in Wagga, and only spend half my time in Brisbane, so most of my lounge time is in normal office clothes to/from home and headoffice). If I'm not going straight to site, I'll be in office clothes.

I can see both sides of the argument. Although I only wear a high vis shirt (normal office trousers and shoes, etc), it's fairly hard on the eyes, and I do think it does probably lower the "decor" of the lounge somewhat. On the other hand, it's just a shirt, and I've certainly been more personally offended by the behaviour of some of the better dressed clientele at times. Maybe we need to ban all the DYKWIA's as well. Might be harder to filter at the door though, perhaps

I probably lean towards the look-past-the-clothes camp. As long as they're neat and tidy, I don't personally see it as a particuarly big issue.

 

[kalboy]

Personally as someone who wears Hi-Vis on a daily basis, I would love to see it banned from all lounges and why not one step further. Ban it from the terminal as well.
Basically if your not working there why wear it.
Hi-Vis has virtually become an indicator of officialdom in the public area for some reason.
If flying for business i change out of hi-vis and don a corporate shirt (Dark blue in my case)when flyin domestic. Internationally even if on business, def. casual. Never show which corp. I work for

 

[markis10]

Long bow drawn with this example!

These types of places have a hard time stopping people turning up in their PJ's or hospital gowns

Agree with the inference as to the type of place (I have had lunch there) but its irrelevant, and I used it to counter the example that it's the "private clubs" that are leading the way with a perceived snobbish attitude to such dress, another example would be Eden Park where high vis won't get you into see a game of footy through general admission let alone in the corporate areas. At the end of the day it's the Qantas manager who has the right to admit persons as they see fit whether we like it or not, and we need to accept the refs call on that one!

 

[eastwest101]

If flying for business i change out of hi-vis and don a corporate shirt (Dark blue in my case)when flyin domestic. Internationally even if on business, def. casual. Never show which corp. I work for

I am not having a go at you at all kalboy, everyone is entitled to their opinon, but I know that some mine sites or mining contractor companies specify wearing hi-vis for two main reasons:

1. People going straight to site (particularly day visitors whom may not be given their own accom room or changing facitities, shift workers usually have changerooms or their own accom to change into before going to site)
2. Contractors or companies who ask for uniform to be worn to moderate and inhibit unsociable behavior as they are being paid to travel, some contractors have found an alternative to the high vis by issuing long sleeve shirts or polo tops with company logos.

If everyone had the change facilities and baggage allowance or had a company with an alternative "low vis" uniform then I think we could be fair in asking QF to limit hi-vis in QP/QC, but that would require QF making a tough decision and forcing all companies/contractors to comply...

 

[TheTroopah]

I am in the Perth QP right now.

You wouldn't believe it. There is a guy sitting across from me and he has the top TWO buttons of his business shirt undone. I am at the point of asking him to button up. What is this? A male strip joint?

Seriously though - I have lurked on these forums for a while now and always expected my first post to be... Somewhat more important... I can't believe that it is something this ridiculous that has made me respond.

I should probably leave now, I'm wearing blue trade pants. I'm surprised they let me in.

This is clearly a first world problem if i've ever heard of one.