Carbon Tax

[leemin]

unfortunately we have a government which has had to buy their positions from the greens & independents.

I am no fan of the Greens, however, there seems to always be an underlying implication that no-one votes for or supports them and therefore their opinions or positions are invalid. By virtue of our current parliament, that's simply not an acceptable position. A Liberal-Nationals minority government would be no different.

the government will reimburse those whom they believe are labor party voters

Yes, 90% of all households in Australia voted Labor at the last election; that's why we have a hung parliament and a minority government...

 

[lovestotravel]

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The carbon tax is simply a wealth redistribution scheme!

Majority of people are subsidised for most of their costs, big companies pass on costs and become even less competitive.

In the meantime the free market ETS price is about $10 per ton

 

[777]

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we have a carbon policy that doesn't in fact have any incentive to reduce carbon pollution

So, you pay $24 to do something. If you stop doing it you can keep the $24 or lower your prices by $24 and win market share. Which bit of this is not an incentive?

In the meantime the free market ETS price is about $10 per ton

The "the free market ETS price" is a construct in exactly the same way the carbon tax is. The price in that case is determined by the supply of permits available (the "cap" in cap and trade).

 

[777]

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The carbon tax is simply a wealth redistribution scheme!

How would you describe taking 10 billion dollars out of consolidated revenue and giving it to major polluting companies. Surely that is simply the exact same thing in reverse?

 

[lovestotravel]

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How would you describe taking 10 billion dollars out of consolidated revenue and giving it to major polluting companies. Surely that is simply the exact same thing in reverse?

I am sure most people would actually pay for a "carbon tax" if the $ spent went into actual projects that reduced carbon

That $10 Billion that you are talking about............

Cookies must be enabled | Herald Sun

 

[777]

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I am sure most people would actually pay for a "carbon tax" if the $ spent went into actual projects that reduced carbon

That $10 Billion that you are talking about............

Cookies must be enabled | Herald Sun

I can't read the link as i'm not registered for the Herald Sun and frankly i'm not paying to read an opinion columnist like Terry McCrann on climate change. If you can find a link to a news story as opposed to an opinion columnist i'd be happy to read it.

In any case I was actually referring to the opposition's proposal - which will likely be law after the next election - to abolish the carbon tax/ price based mechanism entirely and instead to tax every Australian (regardless of their carbon consumption) to invest in paying polluters through their "direct action" fund. Surely that's simply wealth redistribution in the opposite direction?

 

[lovestotravel]

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I was able to read it before, now it's part of the paywall.... Interesting

 

[medhead]

Terry Mccrann - now there's quality opinion. That's assuming you can get past his sentence construction and actually understand a word he has written.


Sent from the Throne

 

[lovestotravel]

Re: Qantas sticking to charging passengers for carbon tax

Ah yes the typical responses from rusted on ALP supporters

Here is a good one

Wasting carbon tax cash on the living dead | Climate Spectator

 

[777]

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Ah yes the typical responses from rusted on ALP supporters

Here is a good one

Wasting carbon tax cash on the living dead | Climate Spectator

Yes, that's a much better link and damning in some key respects. You seem to be ignoring the fundamental (and so far undisputed point) that the opposition is proposing to do much more of this.

If Tony Abbott is elected the price based mechanism will be abolished and the government will do ALL carbon mitigation in the form of a giant slush fund that will paid for by each and every taxpayer. This is literally their policy. If you are of the view that this is the poor way to go about it your argument is not with the carbon tax or with a pricing based mechanism but with the area where the government has chosen to directly intervene outside of that.

If that's your problem i'd largely agree with you. It's precisely the reason why a price is far more effective than a hundreds of bureaucrats throwing money at a dartboard to decide what to invest in. If Abbott is elect the price bit goes, we get more bureaucrats, a bigger dartboard and you and I pay for it.

 

[froggerADL]

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If this country was in anyway serious about pollution they would support nuclear power in Australia.

Many Japanese people think that nuclear power can be quite polluting though.

 

[lovestotravel]

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Yes, that's a much better link and damning in some key respects. You seem to be ignoring the fundamental (and so far undisputed point) that the opposition is proposing to do much more of this.

I believe basically nothing that Tony Abbott says to be honest! But yes you have a point, they are both slush funds with huge waste, the Terry article that I read but then was pay walled (there is no way I'd pay for News Ltd) basically had the Government confirming that 9% of $10 Billion was going to be "wasted"

As for Abbott, yesterday he was saying we don't need the NBN yet the Shadow Communications Minister only a few days prior was saying that the Libs will not stop the rollout, but MAY cut it back in some areas..

Total confusion and total negatively from the Libs, but they can't be as bad as the current mob, can they ?

 

[lovestotravel]

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Many Japanese people think that nuclear power can be quite polluting though.

Yet pretty much all the nuclear plants are now going to go back on-line as they need the power!

 

[froggerADL]

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Yet pretty much all the nuclear plants are now going to go back on-line as they need the power!

Becuase it's cheap and they don't have much choice at the moment.

 

[777]

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Total confusion and total negatively from the Libs, but they can't be as bad as the current mob, can they ?

Well, who knows? I think if you look at it policy area by policy area it gets kind of scary. Abbott is getting away with what is essentially gibberish because people are so p'ed off with the current mob that they're not thinking straight.

Abbott is simultaneously going to abolish the carbon tax and let everyone keep their compensation.

Abbott is going to give everyone tax cuts/ reduce the deficit/ and spend billions on a climate change scheme funded by the taxpayers.

Abbott is opposed to new taxes on the biggest polluters to fund carbon reduction (which he is going to do anyway) but in favour of new taxes on the biggest employers to fund his parental leave scheme.

Abbott is going to abolish the mining tax but not the infrastructure spending it is paying for.

Etc etc.

I could go on and on. The current government might be hopeless in several key respects but they are making actual decisions about to prioritise scarce resources in the actual real world. Abbott is basically governing a fantasyland where you don't actually have to make any choices at all and you can have everything. You may or may not agree with the decisions the current government is making but i'd like to think that we're better off with a government that actually makes them.

 

[lovestotravel]

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If this taxing thing is so ineffective can we please reduce the taxes on cigarettes and alcohol?

I promise not to smoke or drink more if they do!

Do you get compensation which basically cancels out the increase in taxes ?

 

[froggerADL]

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Do you get compensation which basically cancels out the increase in taxes ?

I was actually proposing a reduction in the tax.

 

[one9]

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Total confusion and total negatively from the Libs, but they can't be as bad as the current mob, can they ?

Of course they can't be as bad as the current mob. The current mob is so bad its funny. Australia's version of the carbon tax is plain stupid. Theoretically a carbon tax could be OK, but only if it was done as a worldwide measure. Individual countries implementing a carbon tax are just hurting themselves. We are making ourselves more uncompetitive and helping countries like China & India. And worst of all we do not help the environment. Australia's population is so small and when smarter countries with no carbon tax such as China produce things, they will likely pollute more in their production!

Whilst Abbott is not the best liberal leader we have seen (far from it), at least the liberal party has a history of sound economic management. Lets pray he gets in and rips up this stupid carbon tax.

 

[Sprucegoose]

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The Tax is designed to encourage the Greens to vote with Labor.
Remember Julia's"No carbon tax" before the last election.
But the voters did not give labor a majority --> Hence the Greens were needed. They got want they wanted

And they'll also cop it in the neck at the next election!!!

 

[leemin]

at least the liberal party has a history of sound economic management.

And there it is! Was wondering how long it would take..

I would encourage you to take a look at the current state of Victoria. While Mr Baillieu inherited an extremely strong economy, he and his Minister's have done absolutely nothing as we see jobs, investment and quite possibly our AAA credit rating go down the gurgler; especially hurting country Vic.Yep, sound economic management from the Libs and Nats here..