Carbon Tax

[Noob]

Re: Qantas sticking to charging passengers for carbon tax

How dare people bring facts into this!

 

[whatmeworry]

Re: Qantas sticking to charging passengers for carbon tax

Tony Abbott is not going to take away your tax cuts, he is going spend even more money on carbon reduction, he is going to abolish the mining tax and give the money back to the miners, spend more money on infrastructure and he is going to bring the budget to record surplus. Abbott is going to be the best Prime Minister that fantasyland has ever had.

To top it off he will have a 70 billion surplus, turn the boats back, find a solution to the middle east, wipe Al Qaidea off the map, bring peace to the world and his Pièce de résistance will be to make QFi profitable!

 

[Moody]

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The optional carbon offset will still be around - yes, Qantas is not retiring it. They want people to donate to that cause too. (There's hefty tax benefits to them ..... )

Que? As if I would pay for the Qantas offset scheme after paying for the governments.

There's no Meh about it. Julia lied ....

Then maybe you should have voted for her and then there would be no minority government with the subsequent deals that entailed. Actually the more I think about it, the more the Tony Abbott cheer-squad muppets are to blame for the carbon tax!

... introduced a tax that is based on false science ...

This isn't even worth responding to, so please don't start a climate-change debate as it will encourage the flat-earth society to come out of their cave too!

... and we all pay more as a result (well anyone who doesn't breed as an occupation, and is actually gainfully employed).

Yep - it will cost me a cappucino everytime I fly for pleasure. My god ... how will I ever afford that! Quick, let's have an election because I just know that nice Mr Abbott will get me back those half-dozen coffees each year and my life will be all rosy again.


As I said before ...."meh" is the answer but I am under no illusion that the shock-jock wannabees will concur.

 

[amaroo]

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hahaha, the best part is that the opposition doesn't have to promise anything, produce any policies or provide detail on anything......when the government is as bad as the one that is currently in power, the people will just make it happen!

They say opposition is hard - Julia has changed the text book!

 

[777]

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hahaha, the best part is that the opposition doesn't have to promise anything, produce any policies or provide detail on anything......when the government is as bad as the one that is currently in power, the people will just make it happen!

They say opposition is hard - Julia has changed the text book!

True enough that.

 

[Moody]

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hahaha, the best part is that the opposition doesn't have to promise anything, produce any policies or provide detail on anything......when the government is as bad as the one that is currently in power, the people will just make it happen!

They say opposition is hard - Julia has changed the text book!

Too true - the ALP have totally failed in the PR stakes, and in today's media-driven political agenda ... well ... it's as close to suicide as it gets. The net result is Tony's Troopers will be the next government with very little scrutiny of policies or their ability to deliver. And so the cycle will start again.

Meh

 

[whatmeworry]

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Whether your left or right or somewhere there about, one of the most damaging things that can happened to a democracy is when party has too much power and the leader is a populist moron. I have friends that are Liberal supporters and they tell of the unease of the crowd at Lib functions whenever Tony is in the room (Especial when he laughs).

 

[amaroo]

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Whether your left or right or somewhere there about, one of the most damaging things that can happened to a democracy is when party has too much power and the leader is a populist moron. I have friends that are Liberal supporters and they tell of the unease of the crowd at Lib functions whenever Tony is in the room (Especial when he laughs).

They better hurry up & change the leader, the alliance with the Greens & the dud policies they put into place. I'm not at total ease with the Rhodes Scholar that you call a moron however, the current motley crew in power are more dangerous.

 

[HarryB]

hahaha, the best part is that the opposition doesn't have to promise anything, produce any policies or provide detail on anything......when the government is as bad as the one that is currently in power, the people will just make it happen!

They say opposition is hard - Julia has changed the text book!

Unfortunately I agree. The best asset Tony Abbott has is Julia Gillard. If labor weren't polling so badly then Abbott would be well and truly gone.

Still, as bad as the Government is I will never, ever bring myself to vote for someone as unpredictable as Abbott. He is an effective attack dog but that doesn't make a good PM.


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[777]

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It says something that as unpopular as Gillard is she has regularly outpolled Abbott as preferred PM.

 

[medhead]

It says something that as unpopular as Gillard is she has regularly outpolled Abbott as preferred PM.

It does say something. But they will still vote in Abbott at the next election.


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[777]

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They better hurry up & change the leader, the alliance with the Greens & the dud policies they put into place. I'm not at total ease with the Rhodes Scholar that you call a moron however, the current motley crew in power are more dangerous.

I'm not calling Abbott a moron I am pointing out that his public statements make no sense. Peter Costello called him an "economic illiterate" and i think that shows in the nonsense he sprouts. As for the "dud policy" accusation - that may well be true in some areas but the carbon tax is actually very good policy. It is even better policy when you compare it to the policies Abbott will introduce to combat climate change if he is elected. It's cheaper, more efficient and likely much more effective than the coalition's "direct action" plan and no amount of talk back radio talking points changes that.

The funniest thing is that almost no one seriously disputes that. No one is seriously arguing the opposition plan makes more sense. The best anyone can come up with is to simply ignore what Abbott is saying he will do and/or assume he is a liar and has no intention of doing anything he says. That may well be true but if the criticism of the PM is that she lied then is anyone going to hold Abbott to the same standard?

 

[medhead]

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That may well be true but if the criticism of the PM is that she lied then is anyone going to hold Abbott to the same standard?

Of course not, if the responses of the Julair dud policy crowd on AFF are any indication.

 

[HarryB]

The minute it looks like the coalition are on the slide Abbott will be gone. If that doesn't happen, and let's be honest the way the ALP is going it probably won't, then I expect the next government will be a one term government because they will finally have to come up with something of substance and the Australian public will realise there is little behind all the bluster. That's when Abbott will look like a moron because, it must be said, Gillard handles pressure better (loads of practice)!

The sad thing is that Australian politics is very, very thin on talent no matter which party you look at. It's actually quite embarrassing.


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[james4321]

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I'm not calling Abbott a moron

I will - he's a moron

 

[james4321]

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The best asset Tony Abbott has is Julia Gillard.

Conversely the best asset that Labor has is Tony Abbott. If the Libs had a leader that the public liked, instead of the swaggering mouth almighty numbskull that Abbott is, then the polls wouldn't even register for Labor !!!

 

[RAM]

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Thyroid cancer can be a rather common cancer, top 4 for females aged 15 to 44 in Australia, as such I wouldn't think it was a rare cancer. It might be more useful if you quoted actual incidence figures. This sounds like typical greens propaganda that usually selective throws out a number with a certain spin to lead people to draw a conclusion that might very well be totally incorrect. In this case the inference is that the cancer is caused by this factory. However, what other factors are at play? Is there a change in lifestyle due to increase affluence because of the factory. This affluence leading to increased consumption of alcohol and tobacco along with the health effects of those things. Is there increased health surveillance in the region because of the factory? It is well documented that increased health surveillance, i.e. from just about nothing to normal, will result in about a 30% increase in incidence for cancers and other problems. That is this is disease that existed previously but went undetected.

It is also interesting that you've only focused on coal power expansion but haven't mentioned that China's nuclear power program is expanding just as quickly as it's coal power.

If you dig a little deeper you will find there are a number of different types of thyroid cancer. The most prevalent type occurs roughly 35-40 times more often than the "rarer" types. If you reread the earlier post it mentions "rarer" types.

China does not have Medicare. For much more recent (in the enlightened current time that is) examples of China's lack of controls on industrial by-products do a search on batteries, poison and lead. The detection of the problem came from outside China not the Chinese Govt. Blood testing of the dying children was refused.

You're right though, in Australia there has been lot's of the Australian political Party called the Greens spin or propaganda but that does not change factual information. When have you seen the Australian Greens saying that lead poisoning in China is an issue for Australia to raise with the Chinese Govt?

China's nuclear power expansion is in addition to its coal fired generation expansion not in place of. The carbon tax is going to solve global warming (oops the data did not support that - see ClimateGate emails for details of data falsification of the infamous "hockey stick" graph and other tables) so name altered to Climate change. But in the 1970s there was "widespread agreement" that the world was on the verge of a mini ice age - the models proved it.

But staying on topic.

Actual emitted pollutants are increasing in China and the impact on China's water is a prime cause for the Soy bean industry's emergence and almost insatiable growth in South America. All the burning of Amazonian rainforest to provide the land for Soy beans is one of the largest contributors to carbon emissions. Then the trucking of the crops to newly built ports and shipping half way around the world emits more carbon.

The water table/aquifers in the province surrounding Beijing are at risk of exhaustion as that has been close to the only source of low pollutant water.

The proposed shutting down of Australia's brown coal power stations complete with multi billion compensation is a cost not borne by China but Australia. China's increase in coal fired generation offsets Australia's many fold and China's "system" does not place the Party below anything. Maintaining the Communist Party and recovering from the century of humiliation by the West are the prime objectives.

But in Australia putting up the price of electricity for every user (and electricity use has actually grown a fraction of the forecast amount in the last 5 years in Australia) for something that is quite price inelastic while telling people they'll be more than compensated for the increase seems paradoxical.

A bit like Bob Hawke & Paul Keating coming out after each rate rise in 1989/90 saying that rates would fall as soon as possible. So guess what? Consumers did not stop spending until mortgage rates got to 18% and the Fed ALP Govt did a deal with the banks so they would not put the mortgage rates up anymore. The Gov ordered the RBA to start paying higher rates of interest on the banks' balances with the RBA AND cut the amounts s the banks were required to hold.

Sound familiar, compensating the evil doers (the banks then and the consultants/investment banker/coal fired generators now).

And we all know how well that worked out.

 

[777]

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But in Australia putting up the price of electricity for every user (and electricity use has actually grown a fraction of the forecast amount in the last 5 years in Australia) for something that is quite price inelastic while telling people they'll be more than compensated for the increase seems paradoxical.

There are several flaws of logic in that statement but the core one is that you argue that electricity is inelastic while arguing that use has grown less than forecast over the last 5 years during a period of extremely high price increases. If demand is inelastic what has caused growth to slow?

More broadly, why is there a paradox between compensating people and changing their behaviour by changing the prices of what they are purchasing? There is no paradox at all.

 

[medhead]

If you dig a little deeper you will find there are a number of different types of thyroid cancer. The most prevalent type occurs roughly 35-40 times more often than the "rarer" types. If you reread the earlier post it mentions "rarer" types.

Actually your earlier post says "rare cancers such as thyroid, etc.". That really doesn't make any distinction between types of thyroid cancer. In any case I quoted the Australia incidence for all thyroid cancers.

China does not have Medicare. For much more recent (in the enlightened current time that is) examples of China's lack of controls on industrial by-products do a search on batteries, poison and lead. The detection of the problem came from outside China not the Chinese Govt. Blood testing of the dying children was refused.

I assume by this you are saying they don't have health monitoring. Which raises the obvious question: how does anyone know the incidence of cancer is as claimed.

China's nuclear power expansion is in addition to its coal fired generation expansion not in place of.

I'm sorry, are you trying to tell us china is building nuclear power plants to generate electricity they don't need. Somewhat hard to accept. China is building power sources to provide its entire power needs. Given their poor uranium resources they could meet this need entirely with coal. They aren't. Hence they are building nuclear power plants instead of coal power plants.


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[whatmeworry]

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Just a reminder to everyone the real reason electricity prices have been rising.
The real culprits behind surging power bills