Census 2016 - Travel Overseas and avoid?

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Re: The totally off-topic thread

Goodness me, I certainly picked a great week to be overseas!
 
Re: The totally off-topic thread

Goodness me, I certainly picked a great week to be overseas!

Admit it, you did that on purpose, didn't you? :p

Just kidding.... although there were a number of people I know who took an extended weekend so they could skip the country on census night.
 
Re: The totally off-topic thread

Looks like the dripfeed of information continues. First we're told 'The data cannot be hacked'. This morning the story was 'We believe the data is safe'
Now:
But the site was shut down after a "gap" in the system's security measures was found during a fourth attack, Mr Kalisch said.

Census website attacked by hackers, ABS claims

Oh, and there seems to be some disagreement about whether a denial of service attack actually happened. Another potential line of spin to cover up a potential breech of security?

And the privacy commissioner has opened an investigation. Welcome to the conspiracy nutjob grouping.
 
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With respect to those who feel otherwise, this surely was a completely predictable "fiasco". From the start. Letters arrived in the mail, unexpectedly and addressed to the Householder. Nothing in the media (that I heard anyway) saying the letters were arriving. Apparently they were delivered too early. Usually letters not addressed to me go straight into the bin. I suspect that's where a lot of the 'missing' letters went. But the mail out was done just over a week before the Census Date - surely way too late if people wanted the paper version. Wham, phone lines hit with a surge of people wanting to do the paper version - system couldn't cope because they weren't expecting people to receive the letters just yet. But again, we are talking about the week before the census.

There was so much push to complete the Census "on the night" - surely a warning flag it was going to be hit with millions of responders trying to do 'the right thing' and do it on the real night. Threats of $180 for failure to comply. Now, I know that was modified to be 'after persistent followup' but that isnt what an ageing population hears. And at least 15% of the population do not use computers.

I wont touch on security here, just the PR mess it became. But surely blind freddy could see this was never going to end up well?
 
Re: The totally off-topic thread

With respect to those who feel otherwise, this surely was a completely predictable "fiasco". From the start. Letters arrived in the mail, unexpectedly and addressed to the Householder. Nothing in the media (that I heard anyway) saying the letters were arriving. Apparently they were delivered too early. Usually letters not addressed to me go straight into the bin. I suspect that's where a lot of the 'missing' letters went. But the mail out was done just over a week before the Census Date - surely way too late if people wanted the paper version. Wham, phone lines hit with a surge of people wanting to do the paper version - system couldn't cope because they weren't expecting people to receive the letters just yet. But again, we are talking about the week before the census.

There was so much push to complete the Census "on the night" - surely a warning flag it was going to be hit with millions of responders trying to do 'the right thing' and do it on the real night. Threats of $180 for failure to comply. Now, I know that was modified to be 'after persistent followup' but that isnt what an ageing population hears. And at least 15% of the population do not use computers.

I wont touch on security here, just the PR mess it became. But surely blind freddy could see this was never going to end up well?

My thoughts / experience.

I heard about the process via the ABC AM program a week or so ago.

Having thought about it for ~ 1/1000th of a second - I decided the paper version would be the way to go.

Once I received the letter (3rd August) - I called the hotline to order the paper version.

Received the paper form yesterday.

IMHO the implementation has been pathetic, last minute and panicked ... everyone involved (at the senior levels) should be forced to seek employment elsewhere.
 
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My thoughts / experience.

I heard about the process via the ABC AM program a week or so ago.

Having thought about it for ~ 1/1000th of a second - I decided the paper version would be the way to go.

Once I received the letter (3rd August) - I called the hotline to order the paper version.

Received the paper form yesterday.

IMHO the implementation has been pathetic, last minute and panicked ... everyone involved (at the senior levels) should be forced to seek employment elsewhere.

Our letter arrived on Friday 29th July - I had heard nothing and was not expecting anything. Came so close to tossing in the bin. I was still expecting someone to come door knocking and deliver it personally.

This time last year we would have been floating somewhere in the Mediterranean. Much more satisfactory.
 
Re: The totally off-topic thread

Have cuts to the Public Service anything to do with this?
No axe to grind, just it does seem to be a target to balance budgets from both sides of politics
 
Re: The totally off-topic thread

Interesting....

"As the system became unstable and people were unable to submit their responses or access the site at all, there was "a groundswell of people becoming upset. [The ABS] must have really got to the end of their tether to say 'Let's just pull the plug,' " Hunt said.

"But that begs the question: what is their underlying architecture? It feels like they didn't architect the system with the expectation of this kind of attack, which is odd because this is exactly the kind of thing you would expect."...

"But Hunt said he "really highly doubts" the involvement of anyone outside Australia.
"Many times it's literally just children mounting these attacks," he said. It can be done with a relatively simple set-up or one can pay "a very small amount of money" to have someone pull it off on one's behalf."

https://twitter.com/mhackling/status/763122057307525120/photo/1

"However, Hunt said a simple DDoS was still the most likely scenario, despite maps such as that above. Maps like that one ... are always very vague reflections of actual traffic," Hunt said, adding that he would not necessarily expect to see a huge spike, especially if the target site was ill-prepared and went down easily. He said it was up to the ABS to disclose details about the attacks to give a fuller picture.

"How big were the attacks and were they big enough to take down a well prepared site? A small one may not show on typical DDoS maps [but would take down an ill-prepared site]", he said."

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/te...t-prepared-enough-expert-20160809-gqowfr.html
 
Re: The totally off-topic thread

With respect to those who feel otherwise, this surely was a completely predictable "fiasco". From the start. Letters arrived in the mail, unexpectedly and addressed to the Householder. Nothing in the media (that I heard anyway) saying the letters were arriving. Apparently they were delivered too early. Usually letters not addressed to me go straight into the bin. I suspect that's where a lot of the 'missing' letters went. But the mail out was done just over a week before the Census Date - surely way too late if people wanted the paper version. Wham, phone lines hit with a surge of people wanting to do the paper version - system couldn't cope because they weren't expecting people to receive the letters just yet. But again, we are talking about the week before the census.

There was so much push to complete the Census "on the night" - surely a warning flag it was going to be hit with millions of responders trying to do 'the right thing' and do it on the real night. Threats of $180 for failure to comply. Now, I know that was modified to be 'after persistent followup' but that isnt what an ageing population hears. And at least 15% of the population do not use computers.

I wont touch on security here, just the PR mess it became. But surely blind freddy could see this was never going to end up well?

My thoughts / experience.

I heard about the process via the ABC AM program a week or so ago.

Having thought about it for ~ 1/1000th of a second - I decided the paper version would be the way to go.

Once I received the letter (3rd August) - I called the hotline to order the paper version.

Received the paper form yesterday.

IMHO the implementation has been pathetic, last minute and panicked ... everyone involved (at the senior levels) should be forced to seek employment elsewhere.

I know a few people who did just throw out the letter or can't find it.

I think the key to the implementation issues can be found in Plan A which was to save $200 million by doing 10 yearly census. (A normal response to demands to cut budgets) I also suspect that the lack of leadership meant that Plan A was pursued without consideration of the legal implications of such a change, which were found to be insurmountable when finally considered. That lack of leadership then resulted in a poorly planned last minute process to run the census, while saving costs with an online system. All of the implementation and security problems can probably be linked back to that process.

I've seen these messes so many times, in so many ways. When the basics are so obviously not addressed there is no reason to "just trust the guv'ment".
 
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Looks like the Economics Editor at the Age is at risk of being labelled a conspiracy nutjob by some AFF members as well. At least I'll be in good company then.
Not intended as a personal comment but hard not to respond to this statement. As has been recently demonstrated by both UK and US politics, conspiracy nutjobs always do have plenty of company!
 
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Not intended as a personal comment but hard not to respond to this statement. As has been recently demonstrated by both UK and US politics, conspiracy nutjobs always do have plenty of company!

Regardless, labelling people as such is offensive. Especially when foreseeable things do go wrong, as in this case.
 
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Missed this thread - let me just say:

What a joke...
 
Been trying to access Census since last night, still having trouble. Disappointing how they handled it in regards to technical and privacy concerns.
 
URGENT PRESS RELEASE:

Ladies and Gentlemen - The ABS reports that Australia has seen a remarkable reduction in population between 2011 and 2016. The population has reduced to approximately 3M persons, who mostly are not computer literate and live in prisons, hotels and guesthouses.

The proportion of the population in prison has risen to convict-era levels.
 
Meanwhile the government is proud to announce:

Govt claims census triumph: ‘we are a proud nation of 4 million people’

A spokesperson for the Australian Bureau of Statistics said that the attack seemed to have been orchestrated by a whole nation of people. “We are currently looking for a nation of roughly 24 million people who could have carried out such an attack.”
The spokesperson said it was clearly a foreign nation. “Australia couldn’t possibly have carried out this attack. According to our latest figures, there are only 4 million people living in Australia.”

Govt claims census triumph: 'we are a proud nation of 4 million people'
 
Re: Census 2016

And unemployment down by a staggering 1 million people.
 
Re: Census 2016

You might be right. No activity according to this map: Digital Attack Map

<iframe width="640" height="480" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" src="http://digitalattackmap.com/embed#anim=1&color=0&country=ALL&list=0&time=17021&view=map"></iframe>

Excuses, excuses... bunch of muppets.

That's the best I can think up of without resorting to a verbose tirade of heart-ripping, insulting expletives.


For whatever it was worth, my folks completed the census yesterday, and also completed my details. I have no idea when they submitted it, but seeing as I haven't heard any other stories, they must have done so successfully (and luckily).
 
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