CEO retiring, what changes at Qantas would you like to see

I think at this point in time. QF is best served if it does not make itself more elitist.
It it really wants to be the "Spirit of Australia" - elitism should not be part of it
I wasn't suggesting Qantas be elitist, I was referring to the lounges, if you extrapolate your point then the pointy end seats should be the same price and be available on a first in best dressed basis. or get rid of premium (elite) seating and status altogether, frankly I enjoy the exclusivity that J and F seating affords me, and the attendant lounge access, I did my time flying down the back with the Hoi Polli, I'm too old and cranky to put up with it these days :cool:
Post automatically merged:

Though I disagree with Qantas being a national airline.
There is nothing national about Qantas other than the slogan "Spirit of Australia", and the Roo. Other than that I don't see anything "Australian" about it.
(OK and restrictions of the Qantas Act)




Ok you got me there:). But other than that.......
AS someone once said " All mean are created equal, only some are created more equal than others"
 
Though I disagree with Qantas being a national airline.
There is nothing national about Qantas other than the slogan "Spirit of Australia", and the Roo. Other than that I don't see anything "Australian" about it.
(OK and restrictions of the Qantas Act)

People can say that, but if someone asked what the flag carriers of:
UK
Ireland
Spain
France
Germany
The Netherlands

it's pretty easy to answer, even though none of them are majority state owned now.

In common usage, flag carrier / national airline includes such airlines.
 
There is nothing national about Qantas other than the slogan "Spirit of Australia", and the Roo.

And of course the Roo of the logo is slowly being amputated, bit by bit. There might be an analogy in there somewhere.


My request is simple. Free range coughtails in the First lounges.

If we have to choose - then Espresso Martinis. Enough with this one standard drink nonsense. It's ridiculous when I can go downstairs to the J lounge and pour myself a full tumbler of vodka.

Ah! I remember juddles doing just the same thing - but he was into rum ...
 
What a thread...

What would summarise most comments here would be the expectation that you get what you pay for. And right now, people do not feel like they are getting bang for their (much higher value) buck.

For example, if you are paying $15k-$20k for a return J to LAX or LHR you would expect better hard an soft products that are above and beyond what the competitors are doing for a cheaper fare. Yes, I'm thinking SQ and even UA to an extent.

This is the main gripe with the Qatar issue that not only do they have a better product at often cheaper rates, it means QF would either need to lift their game or lose revenue by reducing fares.

CX (customer experience, not Cathay Pacific) has deteriorated with cost cutting. Don't get me wrong, there are some absolute diamonds but there are also plenty of rough...

Firstly, staff and culture. You can't build a positive culture when you decimate your employees. From baggage handlers to call centres to frontline FAs. AJ did the company no favours in this regard. But how do you fix this problem now? I note the new CEO was CFO and would have had to find all these cost cuts. This does not bode well (apologies to all the accountants out there). The board is still the same. A changed management structure won't fix it. This will be very difficult for QF to manage and it won't be an overnight fix. It will require change and I just don't think the current management (with the CFO who is now CEO and current board) will be able to change it.

Secondly, the product. Everything from old, ageing aircraft to lounges to actual seats on planes and food. Now, I know what I am getting when I book a QF flight. I know the A330's are old. I know there is a A380 that hasn't been upgraded and should be avoided. But joe public out there doesn't. I get COVID would have thrown a huge spanner in the works for CAPEX. But this is why you have a plan that includes contingencies. Clearly, AJ didn't want to be the CEO that went hard on CAPEX to derail performance bonuses. Delayed the A350 sunrise (understandable) but then why put plans for new A330/B787's on hold? Clearly they were caught short when they had to bring in Alliance to service the regional/small route market because the B717s were just about shot. No good A220s coming next year when they needed them last year.

I recently had a return SYD-LAX-SYD flight booked with QF in F (yes, first world problem but hear me out). The morning of the flight I received the below text:

IMG_647E2E14A84E-1.jpeg

Now, I didn't think much of it and accepted, however, I subsequently found out (via an AFF thread) that Qantas hadn't been serving breakfast on this aircraft on this route for some time because of their inability to fix the fridge. How long in advance did QF know this flight would be impacted? They say they tried to fix it but clearly a lie. Did they give pax an opportunity to move to another flight, particularly those who paid close to $20k for a seat? No. Just the service would be impacted on the day. No compensation. No options.

Edit: return flight QF12 was on the non-upgraded A380. I was in F and seat was fine but old, however, I would have been p***ed off if I had paid for a J seat and got the old one.

How to fix: be upfront. Under promise, over deliver. Tell your customers that they might be on an yet-to-be-upgraded aircraft and maybe sell the fares for a cheaper price. Don't treat customers for mugs by putting on inferior aircraft to service a route and let competition swoop in (BNE-LAX case in point with UA upping services with a much better product). And finally, explain why the investment wasn't made but you're working to upgrade as soon as possible. Want new planes? They are coming, but we had to delay our investment so we wouldn't go under during COVID. Communication is key.

On to the lounges, again, I think they have let poor planning get in the way. The SYD T3 J lounge is abysmal. I've had friends from the US who went through and said it was worse than the AA SFO lounge. Edible food and decent service should not just be limited to CLs and F lounges. Particularly if you are charging ~$1k for a 1 hour SYD-BNE flight. Its not that hard. Pax (particularly premium pax) have been taken for granted for far too long). I keep booking with QF because it gets me great OW benefits in the US. But I am seriously weighing up whether a switch to UA might get the message to QF that they need to lift their game.

How to fix: tell your loyal customers that you are working to upgrade and give realistic timeframes. Make us want to keep flying with you to experience the new lounge. Communication is key. Cost cuts have been made. No doubt about it. I used to like turning up to the lounge and having a dish served to me at the big table before my flight. Now its whatever slop is in the bain- marie. Costs have even been cut at the newer lounges. I don't think the specialty dining part of the BNE lounge has been open in the last ten times I've been there.

Lastly, this isn't limited to Qantas, but there is a role for govt to play: I think a carrot approach to rights for passengers has failed in Australia. I am no fan of govt intervention, but I think the time for a stick has come. Fines for selling flights that were never intended to fly won't work. It happens across all airlines and they need to lift their game. Penalties for cancellations or lengthy delays.

The fix: regulations (See US, EU) that make the airlines put you on another flight that suits you not sending you away to find one and then try to get on it. Add compensation for inconvenience. Use your slots or lose them. This is a big problem and is seriously anti-competitive. Again, all AU airlines do this and they need to step up.

Rant over.
 
Last edited:
In common usage, flag carrier / national airline includes such airlines
True. But while they may identify the airlines as such, there is little loyalty as such just because its a "national" airline. Hence the explosion of LCC in the EU sphere.
The assertion of RdeC that we should support a national carrier is a bit hollow in that sense. And while Australian parochialism is strong in certain circles, I'm not sure it extends to the "national" carrier these days.
 
Turn business expenses into Business Class! Process $10,000 through pay.com.au to score 20,000 bonus PayRewards Points and join 30k+ savvy business owners enjoying these benefits:

- Pay suppliers who don’t take Amex
- Max out credit card rewards—even on government payments
- Earn & Transfer PayRewards Points to 8+ top airline & hotel partners

AFF Supporters can remove this and all advertisements

True. But while they may identify the airlines as such, there is little loyalty as such just because its a "national" airline. Hence the explosion of LCC in the EU sphere.
The assertion of RdeC that we should support a national carrier is a bit hollow in that sense. And while Australian parochialism is strong in certain circles, I'm not sure it extends to the "national" carrier these days.

No, with those examples, many citizens go out of their way not to fly with the home carrier - especially BA.

If anything, that confirms QF's place in the group even further.

Ah! I remember juddles doing just the same thing - but he was into rum ...

I am into rum too - and wouldn't drink a glass of vodka - just used it for an example.

Though I have found out you can get an Espresso Martini at the AMEX Centurion lounge in SYD so I might have to briefly leave the Flounge next week to get one.
 
Firstly, staff and culture
Secondly, the product

Profitability through product excellence
Profitability by any other means is not sustainable

many citizens go out of their way not to fly with the home carrier - especially BA.
Yes, being a "national" carrier does not imply anything special.
If its nothing special, now that CEO has retired, should the Qantas Act be repealed - or at least the part which restricts foreign ownership?. (Im not saying it would be better).
 
Last edited:
Profitability through product excellence
Profitability by any other means is not sustainable


Yes, being a "national" carrier does not imply anything special.
If its nothing special, now that CEO has retired, should the Qantas Act be repealed - or at least the part which restricts foreign ownership?. (Im not saying it would be better).

100 per cent. Whilst some in the govt argue allowing competitors in the AU market would "distort it" for QF... others know it would encourage innovation and better products/standards. Customers should be the priority here, not the business. Qantas and govt have a lot to answer for in the decline of this once great business.

Competition is good. All of this is symptomatic of QF being lazy and chosing a strategy of protectionism to reduce costs and maintain status quo (which they were succesful with Albo/Albo's son) rather than innovate to grow and generate new business.

RE the Qantas Act: repeal it. Open our skies. Let the competition in. It will be unsustainable for QF on its own but that is what has got us into this mess. Let the investment in. Raise some capital to improve the product.

Another fix could be linking CX to bonuses. No good hording profits at the expense of the product if people stop flying with you because of the inferior product. Two way street.
 
Last edited:
protectionism
Again, it is incongruous to expect government protection when the airline exposes its workers to foreign competition and third party service companies.

Some say bring back the illegally sacked workers but from my point of view as a customer and FF, the issue I have with the company is more to do with its culture and management style and the changes Id like to see are more along those lines.
 
On the subject of allowing other airlines into the marketplace , how many airlines would it take before the market gets saturated and companies start going under? Not to mention QF/VA and to a lesser extent ZL coming together to protect the market.
 
On the subject of allowing other airlines into the marketplace , how many airlines would it take before the market gets saturated and companies start going under? Not to mention QF/VA and to a lesser extent ZL coming together to protect the market.
I think it depends on the regulation that is imposed to ensure service expectations are met. US/EU style customer rights and landing slot monitoring could assist with any potential flood of new entrants who would seek to take advantage of what the airlines get now. I think it would be more who buys what airline.
 
Thanks but could please we keep to the topic --- what changes at Qantas would you like to see....
I actually think this is a major part of what Qantas should do. Ask the govt to lift the act to enable more investment so it can compete.
 
major part of what Qantas should do
I assume you are referring to the number of airlines in the market - or a change in the number. But is not a change that the airline can make...
Similarly Qantas is bound by the Qantas Act, a change will require legislative action. It has previously made representations to the government of the day to remove the foreign investment restriction
 
So Choice is hopping on the band wagon and has a petition up to change Australian consumer Law.
 
People can say that, but if someone asked what the flag carriers of:
UK
Ireland
Spain
France
Germany
The Netherlands

it's pretty easy to answer, even though none of them are majority state owned now.

In common usage, flag carrier / national airline includes such airlines.

A flag carrier just refers to an international carrier domiciled in that country. Virgin Australia is also a flag carrier of Australia, as is Jetstar and even AirNorth.

From wikipedia: A flag carrier is a transport company, such as an airline or shipping company, that, being locally registered in a given sovereign state, enjoys preferential rights or privileges accorded by the government for international operations.

In various parts of aviation history, many countries only had one flag carrier, typically state-owned - but not always. The USA has always had multiple, privately owned flag carriers.
 
I assume you are referring to the number of airlines in the market - or a change in the number. But is not a change that the airline can make...
Similarly Qantas is bound by the Qantas Act, a change will require legislative action. It has previously made representations to the government of the day to remove the foreign investment restriction
And Qantas can ask again. I suspect they will get a better hearing this time...

But upping foreign ownership to enable more investment comes with the cost of lifting restrictions around competition in the market. As I said, Qantas have chosen keeping the restrictions on competition so far.
 
A flag carrier just refers to an international carrier domiciled in that country. Virgin Australia is also a flag carrier of Australia, as is Jetstar and even AirNorth.

From wikipedia: A flag carrier is a transport company, such as an airline or shipping company, that, being locally registered in a given sovereign state, enjoys preferential rights or privileges accorded by the government for international operations.

In various parts of aviation history, many countries only had one flag carrier, typically state-owned - but not always. The USA has always had multiple, privately owned flag carriers.

In a literal sense they carry the flag, but in the common usage of the term it's not really the case (note VA isn't listed in the table of that article). It all depends on your definition of the term, which is not set in concrete.

For what it's worth, Virgin Atlantic doesn't consider itself a Flag Carrier, but it would like to be.

 
Just one thing I would like the new CEO to say - the thieving stops now.

1.No more thieving the customers, all credits will immediately be refunded to the original form of payment.

And no more begging money from the taxpayer then immediately shovelling it into shareholders pockets via a share buyback. As you may be aware, Qantas received about $900m from you and me via JobKeeper, deploying the funds into share buybacks of $500m (Aug) and $400m (Mar). Daylight robbery indeed.

Let's hear the CEO say, instead of a new $500m share buyback as announced we will re-issue the $900m of shares we bought back last year while receiving JobKeeper. The funds thus raised in reserve so we never have to trouble the taxpayers for handouts again.
 

Become an AFF member!

Join Australian Frequent Flyer (AFF) for free and unlock insider tips, exclusive deals, and global meetups with 65,000+ frequent flyers.

AFF members can also access our Frequent Flyer Training courses, and upgrade to Fast-track your way to expert traveller status and unlock even more exclusive discounts!

AFF forum abbreviations

Wondering about Y, J or any of the other abbreviations used on our forum?

Check out our guide to common AFF acronyms & abbreviations.
Back
Top