Does WP guest for Qantas F lounge need to be on same flight?

[durbrain]

I am not sure what clarification you need.

To Qantas you are a Qantas Platinum. To Cathay, AA, BA, MH, Finnair etc you are Oneworld Emerald.

It really cannot be any clearer.

It is clear that you believe that but you saying that 100 times does not make it so. If you can point me to the part of Qantas' or Oneworld's website that states this I am happy to stand corrected.

Let me clarify what I can see off the websites:
1. https://www.qantas.com/fflyer/dyn/flying/tier-benefits#benefits-of-platinum "Benefits of oneworld Emerald status
With oneworld Emerald status, when you fly oneworld you'll enjoy privileges like preferred seating, priority check-in, and access to over 600 oneworld alliance airline Business and First lounges. "
- i.e. QF Platinum status confers OW Emerald Status
2. https://www.oneworld.com/ffp/lounge-access
"Members of oneworld airline frequent flyer programmes with the equivalent of oneworld Emerald or Sapphire tier status can use lounges offered by oneworld airlines when departing on any flight marketed and operated by any oneworld member airline"
- i.e. OW Emerald status confers at ANY OW lounge access rights when travelling on ANY OW airline

Therefore QF plat members have OW emerald status that they can use when travelling on any OW airline (Qantas) at any OW lounge (Qantas).

Somewhere along the lines you all must have seen a clause that excludes home airline access to home lounges. I will be most grateful if you could direct me to this clause. Clearly my English ability is insufficient to find it myself, as many are offering me free English lessons in recent posts.

 

[durbrain]

If you speak to people at the lounge you are about to attend the next day, it can perhaps be considered an accurate sign of what the rules will be when you arrive.

As you have seen from recent posts, some have been denied and some have been granted OW access rights in the past. This is not a question as to "what will happen when you arrive at the lounge" but "what is the official stance and interpretation of the rules?". I have my interpretation and others have theirs. The best I can do is ask the most authoritative source that a moderator has suggested, which is 'Red Roo'.

 

[donovan301]

Rules are Rules.
Rules are made to be adhered to.
Rules are made to be broken.
Rules are stringent.
Rules are flexible.
Rules are upheld by the authority you stand before.
Rules can be proven in writing, but can be discarded in reality.
Rules are ....blah blah,... just depends on the day sometimes.
Never can tell for sure what the rule will be when the exact specific scenario isn't stated exactly in the rules.

Just sayin'

Been a great read this tread though I must say.

Some of it reminds me of life, some of it reminds me of Highschool

;-)

 

[Abdul_A350]

This is not a question as to "what will happen when you arrive at the lounge"

For my guest, it really would be.

I would welcome more clarity for the few people who need it.

 

[opusman]

Perhaps this thread should be locked pending input from Red Roo, as durbrain is clearly not prepared to back down and until one or the other happens the conversation is going nowhere.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

Perhaps this thread should be locked pending input from Red Roo, as durbrain is clearly not prepared to back down and until one or the other happens the conversation is going nowhere.

What input could RedRoo possibly give?
We all know how QF interpret the rules.
This thread has degenerated into a dispute over what interpretations might be possible.
RedRoo can't resolve that.

 

[straitman]

Perhaps this thread should be locked pending input from Red Roo, as durbrain is clearly not prepared to back down and until one or the other happens the conversation is going nowhere.

As a rule threads are not closed unless they get abusive or attacking. They are left open as there is often someone somewhere who can add something that hasn't been thought of.

When the thread has run its course it will simply fade into obscurity but still be available if needed.

Having said that I ask people to remain civil in the discussion. Sniping at each other as has started to happen in the last few posts is unacceptable and will see posts edited if necessary. Remember to 'attack the topic and not the person'

Remember that individuals have 24 hrs to edit their own posts of any (inappropriate) content.

 

[juddles]

Sort of on topic but maybe a breath of fresh air simply for changing part of the topic - I need another interpretation of lounge access rules:

What is the go in my situation with on-arrival access to domestic business lounges - I am WP and have a wife and two children - can we all get in under my WP umbrella? This sort of family thing is covered in pre-flight lounge access rules, but not that I can see in post-flight access.......

 

[defurax]

What is the go in my situation with on-arrival access to domestic business lounges - I am WP and have a wife and two children - can we all get in under my WP umbrella? This sort of family thing is covered in pre-flight lounge access rules, but not that I can see in post-flight access.......

I brought colleagues a few times in the lounge after a flight. My understanding is that by giving lounge access to the WP it comes with the standard domestic guest allowance. I never specifically asked the lounge angel/dragon.
Now that SWMBO is also WP, maybe next time we'll guest 4 adults and a dozen kids to test the rules

 

[durbrain]

What input could RedRoo possibly give?
We all know how QF interpret the rules.
This thread has degenerated into a dispute over what interpretations might be possible.
RedRoo can't resolve that.

No, we don't 'all know' how QF interprets the rules. As you have seen in recent posts passenger have been granted OW guesting rights, whilst others have not.

Red Roo, hopefully, can provide a written authoritative answer that if 'positive' for OW guesting rights, can be used as a written reference if one encounters resistance at the lounge gate.

 

[juddles]

I brought colleagues a few times in the lounge after a flight. My understanding is that by giving lounge access to the WP it comes with the standard domestic guest allowance. I never specifically asked the lounge angel/dragon.
Now that SWMBO is also WP, maybe next time we'll guest 4 adults and a dozen kids to test the rules

I assume that non-QF OWE's do not have this benefit of post-flight access within Australia??

 

[durbrain]

Sort of on topic but maybe a breath of fresh air simply for changing part of the topic - I need another interpretation of lounge access rules:

What is the go in my situation with on-arrival access to domestic business lounges - I am WP and have a wife and two children - can we all get in under my WP umbrella? This sort of family thing is covered in pre-flight lounge access rules, but not that I can see in post-flight access.......

This one I can answer!

You are allowed 2 guests whether pre-departure or post-arrival as per the Domestic Lounge rules (Lounge Locations | Australia | Sydney Domestic | Domestic Business). Now assuming your children are not adults, the access rules are less clear. They can be found under 'Qantas club rules' (Eligibility and Access to The Qantas Club Lounges | Qantas). Strictly speaking, QF SG and WP include Qantas club membership (this is not stated on the website, but is explicitly stated on your welcome pack that you receive when you qualify). So for pre-departure flights as long as your children are 17 or under you can bring up to 2 in over and above your guest quota. If your children are 18 or above, they count as normal guests. So as long as one child is 17 or under, you are covered pre-departure.

The problem is Qantas club rules may not strictly apply to Platinum arrival access. But in the past I have had no issues bringing in 2 kids for free (above 2 regular guests); no negotiation required and I doubt they would be that cough when it comes to kids. Though strictly speaking, you may not have a leg to stand on if you get a grinch of an agent. The child access policy does not appear to be on any other part of the website except 'Qantas club'.

So in summary: pre-departure you are definitely covered. On-arrival you are technically only covered for your wife and one child, but it would be doubtful that they deny entry to your other child.

 

[juddles]

Thanks durbrain for your input - do you know about on-arrival access for OWE?

 

[durbrain]

Thanks durbrain for your input - do you know about on-arrival access for OWE?

No access on arrival (this is not a OW benefit). And even pre-departure, you can only bring one guest who must be travelling on a OW flight (as that is the requirement of the OW alliance). In fact, even the kids access is not guaranteed (though again, you will most likely get away with it). 'Cause those rules are only found under 'Qantas club rules' and OWE does not include Qantas club.

Rules are clear outlined on the QF site: Lounge Locations | Australia | Sydney Domestic | Domestic Business

 

[JohnK]

Somewhere along the lines you all must have seen a clause that excludes home airline access to home lounges. I will be most grateful if you could direct me to this clause. Clearly my English ability is insufficient to find it myself, as many are offering me free English lessons in recent posts.

No. It is quite clear above.

On the Qantas website "When you fly Oneworld". This refers to Oneworld airlines and the benefits you will receive with them.

On the Oneworld website "Members of Oneworld airlines". You as a Qantas Platinum are not a member of a Oneworld airline (yes I know Qantas is part of Oneworld) but a member of Qantas. Your membership number proves this and this is where you have your status.

You can keep arguing all you like. It is not going to change the application of the rules. I don't need to provide any evidence to you that you are a Qantas Platinum not a Oneworld Emerald when you try to enter a Qantas lounge. I just know that Qantas are going to treat you as a Qantas Platinum. When you visit other Oneworld lounges then you can be a Oneworld Emerald.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

It is now abundantly clear how each side of this argument interprets the rules and the reasons for such intrepretations.
It is also abundantly clear how QF interprets the rules.
In my view it is also abundantly clear that there is some room for confusion because the rules give rise to these competing interpretations.
If the rules were perfectly clear, no one would be confused, and this thread would not exist.
After 20 pages, could we now avoid additional posts which just serve to rehash these established positions?

 

[juddles]

.......it is also abundantly clear that there is some room for confusion......

...................................priceless!!

 

[durbrain]

No. It is quite clear above.

On the Qantas website "When you fly Oneworld". This refers to Oneworld airlines and the benefits you will receive with them.

Fruit is healthy. An apple is a fruit. Therefore an apple is healthy. Just because an apple company makes that statement doesn't make it untrue.

You as a Qantas Platinum are not a member of a Oneworld airline (yes I know Qantas is part of Oneworld)

I can't address that as that sentence is the definition of contradictory.

Your membership number proves this and this is where you have your status.

No your QF number proves you have QF status. I am not denying that. But you also have OW status. Not mutually exclusive and not heirarchical.

I just know that Qantas are going to treat you as a Qantas Platinum.

People 'just knew' the earth was flat.

 

[juddles]

.......People 'just knew' the earth was flat.....

Perfect analogy of the current debate - the world may not be flat, but for practical everyday purposes it IS flat!

 

[esseeeayeenn]

...................................priceless!!

To state that "the rules are abundantly clear" and "the rules leave room for confusion" would be an oxymoron.
But "it is abundantly clear that the rules leave room for confusion" is not contradictory.
That is abundantly clear.