Domestic Row 4/Row 23 and seating for WP Discussion

[samiam]

...until she awoke one morning puzzled by what she had seen.

Damn you TonyHancock - you beat me to the punch yet again...

... I was going to describe her drug addiction, cocaine snorting in the lav and resultant underweight baby

 

[oz_mark]

Re: Qantas thanks its most loyal customers

The qantas website tends to disagree with you. Reserved zones depending on status.

Reserved zones are more an Advanced Seat Selection thing. Not so applicable to check-in seat selection.

 

[medhead]

Re: Qantas thanks its most loyal customers

Reserved zones are more an Advanced Seat Selection thing. Not so applicable to check-in seat selection.

In the context of the view that non-status pax are equally entitled to any seat on the aircraft it is applicable. Status provides preferential seating over non-status. As you note this goes out the window to some extent on check in, hence why I used the word "tends". But overall, non status passenger do not have equal access to seats and it is published as such on the website.

 

[simongr]

Re: Qantas thanks its most loyal customers

OK - I will come out and disagree with you.

The non-status passenger is just as entitled to a seat on the plane as you are. And if they want to sit in 4B or 4E, then they should be allowed to. If you want more space, then pay for business class. That's one of the benefits of business class.

Unless and until QANTAS start offering a blocked seat as a benefit, then complaining about having someone next to you, who is perfectly entitled to be there per the rules, is unjustified

In every walk of life if you are a frequent patron you get benefits - sometimes as little as a hello and others a free coffee. This objectivity about seats on aircraft is ludicrous. It is just that there isn't a common forum for people to bitca about whether their local coffee place didn't say hi today...

 

[wilco]

I don't know why I bother. You won't accept that anyone's definitions are acceptable so again I will have to acknowledge you are right and I am again wrong.

I dont know why I bother either. You haven't defined a single thing.
What you have done, is express an opinion that high status frequent flyers are taken into account by yield managers.

I dont know what fields you have or currently work in, but I DID work in yield at BA, so with all due respect, I KNOW what im talking about as opposed to what you may THINK you know (assuming you do not or have not worked in yield). What I stated was specific to BA and if you happen to work in yield for another airline with different processes and procedures, then fine, Im happy to stand corrected in that instance, but please dont try and tell me something different to what I actually know as fact. If you choose to disagree with something I have stated based on my relevant experience working in the exact role, by all means, go right ahead, but dont try to pass off your opinion as fact when it isnt.

 

[wilco]

...until she awoke one morning puzzled by what she had seen. "Why were some middle seats empty near the front of the economy section?" she said out loud. "I was sat in a middle seat right at the front, what was wrong with the other middle seats?" As much as she tried she just could not get the question out of her head.

Google proved her friend in the quest for an answer. She entered "qantas domestic row 4" into her favourite search engine and fourth on the list was a link to that very subject. She clicked the link and found AFF. A new world opened up to her, one of upgrades, priority seat selection and the race for status. She gained great knowledge from the ladies and gentlemen of AFF and passed her knowledge on to her son as he grew up.

Many years later her son, all grown up, reached the heady heights of WP. He traveled extensively in Australia, to the extent that it wearied him. He was thankful for the small benefits that his status gave him, it helped to make the tedious, never ending, flights that little bit more comfortable. One day, having selected his preferred seats he was surprised to find himself in anything but his preferred seat....and not only that a non status passenger was seated in a row normally reserved for status pax. He posted of his disappointment on AFF and lo many pages of discussion followed!

If only the mother was of better stock or married above her station, the son of privilege would have the funds to always travel J and F, or better still, private jet and not have to worry about the riff raff on some online blog.

 

[JohnK]

Re: Qantas thanks its most loyal customers

I think that's the point he was trying to make.

Actually that was the point I was trying to make but obviously lost something in the translation from swahili to English! I do apologise and thank you for understanding....

 

[JohnK]

The key word here is "selection". JohnK did select his preferred seat but due to matters out of his control and probably Qantas's, it could not be honoured, but the stated benefit of "seat selection" was provided. Im not sure what more anyone could want or expect??

I am sorry but you continue to ignore the facts.

I did not select my preferred seat. My preferred seat is forward aisle, OK 4CD if you must, and I was pre-allocated 5B! A middle seat! :shock: Do you even understand the implications of that pre-allocation? And I settled for 4F on a 734. Yes that was my mistake. Not the end of my life but I should have a right to discuss it on AFF without being ridiculed by the likes of you.

It may not be important to you but it is important to me.

I am not one for remembering faces but you know in the past 42 months I have been commuting there are not that many people I get to see more than once in the lounges or even on the same flights as me....

 

[wilco]

I am sorry but you continue to ignore the facts.

I did not select my preferred seat. My preferred seat is forward aisle, OK 4CD if you must, and I was pre-allocated 5B! A middle seat! :shock: Do you even understand the implications of that pre-allocation? And I settled for 4F on a 734. Yes that was my mistake. Not the end of my life but I should have a right to discuss it on AFF without being ridiculed by the likes of you.

It may not be important to you but it is important to me.

I am not one for remembering faces but you know in the past 42 months I have been commuting there are not that many people I get to see more than once in the lounges or even on the same flights as me....

I apologise if you feel ridiculed. What im trying to do is put it into some sort of perspective.

Im not pretending to know the reason why your aircraft was subbed, but just taking one of the hundreds of possibilities, that the incoming aircraft was delayed, would you have preferred being 1, 2 or 3 hours late if that meant getting your pre selected seat?

As a WP, its evident you travel frequently, and for the most part, do you get your preferred seat?

I know that we are creatures of habit and we like things to be a certain way (yes... even me) but sometimes, for whatever reason, things just dont go our way. How you deal with these situations will determine your overall happiness.

I dont know you and I really don't wish you any ill will but flying is stressful, and we all have to work together to make it the best it can be.

 

[Fantic125]

I apologise if you feel ridiculed. What im trying to do is put it into some sort of perspective. <snip>

In all respect wilco, it seems your perspective differs quite significantly from a number of people in this forum.

I suggest everyone take a step back, re-adjust their private bits, and calm down.




(Having said that after being seated in 4A from ADL-SYD, then having an op-up from y to y+ SYD-HKG)

 

[meloz]

Re: Qantas thanks its most loyal customers

You really have nothing else going on in your life than to be annoyed at some random stranger getting a better seat on a plane than you?

Point of order. All strangers are random.

Less use of the word random please people.

Meloz

 

[simongr]

I dont know why I bother either. You haven't defined a single thing.
What you have done, is express an opinion that high status frequent flyers are taken into account by yield managers.

I dont know what fields you have or currently work in, but I DID work in yield at BA, so with all due respect, I KNOW what im talking about as opposed to what you may THINK you know (assuming you do not or have not worked in yield). What I stated was specific to BA and if you happen to work in yield for another airline with different processes and procedures, then fine, Im happy to stand corrected in that instance, but please dont try and tell me something different to what I actually know as fact. If you choose to disagree with something I have stated based on my relevant experience working in the exact role, by all means, go right ahead, but dont try to pass off your opinion as fact when it isnt.

Could you clarify how "facts" about about how YM used to work at BA when you worked there (given you currently do not work there) are anything other possible ways of working at QF? Unless you have worked in QF or currently work in QF YM then anything you state is also an opinion.

 

[Anna]

5B? Luxury! I found myself in 25B after a recent aircraft change.

 

[wilco]

In all respect wilco, it seems your perspective differs quite significantly from a number of people in this forum.

That it may, but the selfishness on this forum is astonishing. At least JohnK had the decency to admit his view/opinion/perspective would/could be different if he were an NB instead of a WP.

I think people need to learn to think outside the box a little more and realise that the world does not revolve around them or owe them a single thing. There are often 3 sides to an argument, for, against and the truth, and it seems that certain types are so blinded by their own selfishness
that they are unable to acknowledge to very existence of an opposing view.

I remember a time when a WP was complaining about the points that were being "stolen" from him when the SG status bonus was increased to 75% and the WP one remained 100%. He refused to acknowledge the threat DJ Velocity posed to QF's SG and PS fliers, and this increase being an attempt to keep them flying QF, but rather it was QF being mean to him and not valuing his business and treating him with contempt.

And the sad thing is, you cant tell otherwise as once they get an idea in their head, there is simply no other plausible explanation. IMO, if they behaved like this at work or socially, they wouldnt be there long or have any friends.

Point of order. All strangers are random.

Less use of the word random please people.

Meloz

Can you not have a "familiar" stranger?

Like someone you see at the same cafe on weekends, or that catches the same train as you everyday of the week etc....

 

[russ]

I think part of the issue is that for some of these people, airline status is the only status they have. Sad, really.

 

[wilco]

Could you clarify how "facts" about about how YM used to work at BA when you worked there (given you currently do not work there) are anything other possible ways of working at QF? Unless you have worked in QF or currently work in QF YM then anything you state is also an opinion.

And yet you continue to skirt around the issue....... obviously you dont and havent worked in yield, so therefore your "opinion" is unqualified and uninformed. Regardless of wether you wish to believe my statement is nothing more than a opinion, it is a far more accurate and relevant one than yours. You really should refrain from posting "facts" when you dont really know what you are talking about, especially to someone who does.

I clearly stated my facts related to BA at the time I worked there and if QF is significantly different, im happy to stand corrected. But I can assure you, being full service legacy carriers, OW and JSA partners with extensive codeshares, they'd yield manage in much the same way, and my point remains the same. ANY awards and upgrades are made available to FF's irrespective of who redeems them. IMO, and this is only an opinion, QF do not allocate more seats to status FF's, but rather restricts availability to lower level members and the YM is given the authority to release an additional seat or 2 for WP's, on request. However, this request is considered in line with regular business practice. As a WP, you cannot call up and request 5 seats to LHR in J for XMAS. No YM in their right mind would make those seats available, no matter how important a WP or even P1 thinks he is. Those seats at that time of year are far too important and valuable to make available to FF's.

Would you challenge RedRoo in the same way?? would you be so rude as to suggest that their posts are "just an opinion"?

At the end of the day, im happy to share my extensive knowledge and opinion. My opinions can be challenged and disagreed with, I have no problem with this, but I will not tolerate my knowledge and expertise being called into question by someone who thinks he knows everything, but has nothing to back himself up with except perhaps his ego.

You can continue your fantasy of thinking Qantas yield manage their multi billion dollar operations around you and your fellow Wp's. I just wont be a part of it.

 

[medhead]

That it may, but the selfishness on this forum is astonishing. At least JohnK had the decency to admit his view/opinion/perspective would/could be different if he were an NB instead of a WP.

I think people need to learn to think outside the box a little more and realise that the world does not revolve around them or owe them a single thing. There are often 3 sides to an argument, for, against and the truth, and it seems that certain types are so blinded by their own selfishness
that they are unable to acknowledge to very existence of an opposing view.

I remember a time when a WP was complaining about the points that were being "stolen" from him when the SG status bonus was increased to 75% and the WP one remained 100%. He refused to acknowledge the threat DJ Velocity posed to QF's SG and PS fliers, and this increase being an attempt to keep them flying QF, but rather it was QF being mean to him and not valuing his business and treating him with contempt.

And the sad thing is, you cant tell otherwise as once they get an idea in their head, there is simply no other plausible explanation. IMO, if they behaved like this at work or socially, they wouldnt be there long or have any friends.

And what is even more sad is that you can't take a look in the mirror and see all those things that you describe in yourself. You've said your view too many times, now it is time to acknowledge that other people have a different view.

I am especially amazed by your recollection of the status bonus changes, given you joined AFF a long time after that discussion. I remember a former AFF member who was involved in that discussion who expressed many of the same sentiments as you who couldn't accept that people are entitled to an alternative opinion and who got rather abusive over the whole thing.

Here's an idea for your head. Platinum members of QFF also need to be retained. Many of them, like me, have the luxury of doing enough flying for work that they can make choices between QF and DJ. These are not arrogant, selfish people flying around needlessly just to get status. These are people who have to be somewhere to earn a crust and keep bread on the tables for their families.


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[MatF]

I really think it's time this thread was closed, for everyone's sanity.

 

[drron]

Medhead you took the words right out of my mouth.
Does that make it 3 times today?
I will go and book an urgent consultation today.

 

[haggiscat]

JUst a thought, chaps, I deliberately sought wp status because I'm quite tall, fly often and would kill for extra leg room. I figured being wp would increase my chances substantially of having comfortable flights with good seats. By and large, It does. Eg my forthcoming trip to London will be in row 40. For once I won't have to dread the prospect of a middle seat in economy for twenty four hours. Thankfully row forty is open to platinum well in advance of t80. For me, the issue is not about getting off first or looking important, it's just about being able to unfold my legs in flight. I can't really see anything wrong wi what JohnK has said.

if you go to the eFfort of getting wp, especially as a leisure flyer, don't really see why you shouldn't expect to get the best seats on the plane. No need to Get into the politics of envy.

Will say though it is true thAt the pax are hotter down the back