Ethiopian 737 Max 8 crash and Fallout

[Major]

Certainly pushed

Boeing sacks CEO to restore confidence after 737 MAX crashes

Boeing fires Dennis Muilenburg as chief executive following intense scrutiny set off by two fatal crashes of its 737 MAX jetliner.

www.abc.net.au

 

[OATEK]

Certainly pushed

Boeing sacks CEO to restore confidence after 737 MAX crashes

Boeing fires Dennis Muilenburg as chief executive following intense scrutiny set off by two fatal crashes of its 737 MAX jetliner.

www.abc.net.au

NY Times version: Boeing Fires C.E.O. Dennis Muilenburg

 

[jb747]

Replaced by someone from the venture capital world.....

 

[cambriamarsh]

Replaced by someone from the venture capital world.....

In my view PE is more short term than VC so less likely to be prepared to do what seems needed.

 

[jenib]

and it gets worse and worse and worse

More ‘troubling’ internal Boeing 737 MAX documents released to FAA

The documents include further messages from Mark Forkner, the Boeing pilot whose 2016 instant-message exchange with a colleague caused outrage when it was released in October.

www.seattletimes.com

 

[jb747]

This is somewhat solid reading, but, if followed through, would place any resurgence of the MAX in serious doubt. It is a report written about the MAX’s technical issues by the world‘s regulators....excluding the FAA.

https://www.skybrary.aero/bookshelf/books/5319.pdf

 

[Quickstatus]

Does FAA have the budgetary and technical resources to implement all the recommendations in the JATR?. Like all government organisations, the FAA has been subject to budget cuts in recent history.
In the 2019 budget request, the FAA in 2018 remarked that certification and oversight work will not increase in the 2019 fiscal year and the 2019 request is less than the 2017 request.

 

[OATEK]

Does FAA have the budgetary and technical resources to implement all the recommendations in the JATR?. Like all government organisations, the FAA has been subject to budget cuts in recent history.
In the 2019 budget request, the FAA in 2018 remarked that certification and oversight work will not increase in the 2019 fiscal year and the 2019 request is less than the 2017 request.

Based on my reading they don't have the right mix of staff anyway (eg lack of human factors expertise). So bound to be budgetary pressure not only because of the extra workload of dealing with the post 737 crash activities, but also to have the right skills available for ongoing certification work on all aircraft.

 

[Tropic]

Apart from the technical and regulatory challenges, I think that the irreversible public trust deficit generated by the two crashes and Boeing's management culture of putting profit before safety will be the main reason why the Max project ultimately fails. Pax just dont want to fly planes that crash(ed).

 

[OATEK]

Perhaps someone who no longer wants to be associated with Boeing:

Boeing’s crisis adviser quits after ‘challenging year’

Another key figure at Boeing will walk out the door as the world’s major aircraft manufacturer continues to grapple with the 737 MAX crisis.

www.news.com.au

 

[cambriamarsh]

This is somewhat solid reading, but, if followed through, would place any resurgence of the MAX in serious doubt. It is a report written about the MAX’s technical issues by the world‘s regulators....excluding the FAA.

https://www.skybrary.aero/bookshelf/books/5319.pdf

There are a few comments in this that indicate grandfathering is going to change to a much more holistic approach. There will be a cost to that, but long term it will benefit the industry.

 

[jb747]

Various sources have described Boeing as 'gaming' the grandfathering of rights. The problem is simply that the 737 may well be one (or a few) grandfathers too far. What happens then? It's not something that can be undone.

 

[cambriamarsh]

Various sources have described Boeing as 'gaming' the grandfathering of rights. The problem is simply that the 737 may well be one (or a few) grandfathers too far. What happens then? It's not something that can be undone.

I think it could be.

 

[Tropic]

Global refresh of medium haul cargo fleets...

 

[Tropic]

maybe a few new lcc startups with all Max fleets...

 

[jb747]

Neither of those options work if it can’t be certified.

 

[codash1099]

I'd be prepared to lay a small bet (just saying, not offering) that they'll be recertified.

I cannot imagine that any US Government, let alone one led by Trump, would want to see Boeing take the hit that would result from non-certification. 400 odd planes already filling car parks and the effects on employment at Boeing as well as the supply chain would make it political suicide not to intervene in some way.

Not to mention the huge loss of face for the US as a hole (sic).

 

[Tropic]

I'm sure they'll be recertified too. Whether pax will fly on them is the real bet and the odds aren't good based on history. And as we know, an airline flying planes with lots of empty seats doesn't stay an airline for long.... It will be the failure to regain public trust despite a global PR campaign (which has already started) which sinks the 737 max not the recertification hurdle. Of course I could be wrong...

 

[jb747]

It will, of course, be recertified by the US. Australia will follow suit, so as not to upset the US. UK perhaps. Europe...especially seeing Airbus have been hit with tariffs, might be rather more inclined to looking deeply. China and Russia...who knows, but it won’t be a rubber stamp. I could easily imagine the MAX ending up country specific.

 

[Tropic]

I can see US dom market only as poss option. South West obviously has significant exposure though they apparently looked at Airbus but decided to wait and see. Boeing might have to get those 757 jigs out of storage...those max engines would just about fit...