Flight Availability/Loadings & Upgrade Probability Help Desk

Sprucegoose · Sep 2, 2010

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For Questions about Aircraft Configuration and Seat Availability, please use this thread:

Understanding [Fare Buckets] Expert Flyer

I'd appreciate some help understanding the information EF provides. For example, F6 A6 J9 C9 D9 I0 B9 H9 K9 M9 R9 L9 V9 S0 N0 Q0 O0 X0 E0 What letters do I look at to try to work out how many seats are still available in economy? What letters do I look at to try to work out how many...

www.australianfrequentflyer.com.au

See this thread for hints on how to read loadings:

Interpreting and Understanding Expert Flyer

If looking for, say Qantas points upgrades, look for A class for First, mid to high D or any I class for Business and any R for Premium Economy.

Look for the most expensive category of the cabin YOU are currently booked in as being sold out e.g. J0 to first, W0 to Business & Y0 to PE for increased op-up chances. Also, look for availability on the discount premium buckets (A, P, I, D, U, T & Z inventories).

Conversely, look for high numbers in the discount economy buckets (N, O, Q, E & X inventories) for reduced op-up chances.

Seat maps can be a VERY rough guide but note that just because a seat is not showing as allocated does not mean that seat hasn't been sold. Not everyone pre-selects seats.

>>>> END OF ADMIN UPDATE <<<<

Original thread title: update on QF93 on 12 sept

Appreciate it if someone could check EP for loadings.

thnxs

SPRUCE

polly1 · Aug 5, 2013

QF Load Sydney/Bangkok

Hi everyone, can some one assist please with the passenger load for QF 23 SYD/BKK on 19th August, as a Platinum member I am hoping for an oversold in Y and getting bumped up to J
Many Thanks

markis10 · Aug 5, 2013

Re: QF Load Sydney/Bangkok

polly1 said:
Hi everyone, can some one assist please with the passenger load for QF 23 SYD/BKK on 19th August, as a Platinum member I am hoping for an oversold in Y and getting bumped up to J
Many Thanks

According to flight stats, not much chance:

[TD="class: availSeatsLabel"]Business:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] 9 (at least)[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel"]Coach:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] 9 (at least)[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel"]Other:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] n/a[/TD]

[TD="class: availSeatsLabel"]Fare Classes:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue cabinValue"][/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel"][/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue cabinValue"]J/9 C/9 D/9 I/9 U/0 [/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel"][/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue cabinValue"]Y/9 B/9 H/9 K/9 M/9 L/9 V/9 S/9 N/9 Q/9 O/9 G/0 X/8 E/0 [/TD]

Liski · Aug 6, 2013

Re: QF Load Sydney/Bangkok

Can I get some load information for SQ391 IST-SIN on 23 or 24 September? I'm trying to get a J KrisFlyer saver seat.

Also the load on SQ212 SYD-SIN (23 Aug) and SQ392 SIN-UST (24 Aug( as I want to go on the wait list for a Y KrisFlyer saver seat.

polly1 · Aug 12, 2013

Re: QF Load Sydney/Bangkok

Many thanks Moderator, lets hope for a empty seat next to me

Polly1

serfty · Aug 12, 2013

Re: QF Load Sydney/Bangkok

liski said:
can i get some load information for sq391 ist-sin on 23 or 24 september? I'm trying to get a j krisflyer saver seat.

Also the load on sq212 syd-sin (23 aug) and sq392 sin-ust (24 aug( as i want to go on the wait list for a y krisflyer saver seat.

Code:

sq391 ist-sin

23sep z4 c4 j4 d2 s9 y9 b9 e9 m9 h9 w0 q0 u0 g0 l0 k0 
 
24sep z4 c4 j4 d4 s9 y9 b9 e9 m0 h0 w0 q0 u0 g0 l0 k0

Code:

sq212 syd-sin

23aug f4 p4 a4 z4 c4 j4 d4 s9 y9 b9 e9 m9 h9 w9 q9 n0 u0 g0 l9 k9


sq392 sin-ist
 
24aug z4 c4 j4 d4 s9 y9 b9 e9 m9 h4 w0 q0 u0 g0 l0 k0

Edge · Aug 16, 2013

Hi guys, wonder of the likelihood of points upgrades for 2 pax to either PE or J from discount-Y on the following:

1. QF93 MEL-LAX Sep-16
2. QF94 LAX-MEL Sep-20

Highest status unfortunately is only PS QP.

Thanks in advance

legroom · Aug 16, 2013

Edge said:
Hi guys, wonder of the likelihood of points upgrades for 2 pax to either PE or J from discount-Y on the following:

1. QF93 MEL-LAX Sep-16
2. QF94 LAX-MEL Sep-20

Highest status unfortunately is only PS QP.

Thanks in advance

QF93 loading: F9 A7 J9 C9 D9 I7 W9 R8 T1 Y9 B9 H9K9 M9 L3 V9 S9 G0 E0

J9, D9, I7 = empty spaces in J

QF94 loading: F5 A2 J9 C9 D2 I0 W9 R3 T0 Y9 B9 H9K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 G0 E0

D2, I0: probably low chances there

Good luck

PS: are you sure your fare allows upgrade ?

OATEK · Aug 16, 2013

Edge said:
Hi guys, wonder of the likelihood of points upgrades for 2 pax to either PE or J from discount-Y on the following:

1. QF93 MEL-LAX Sep-16
2. QF94 LAX-MEL Sep-20

Highest status unfortunately is only PS QP.

Thanks in advance

QF93 16/9

[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]First:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] 9 (at least)[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]Business:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] 9 (at least)[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]Coach:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] 9 (at least)[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]Other:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] n/a [/TD]

[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]Fare Classes:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue cabinValue"]F/9 A/7[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue cabinValue"]J/9 C/9 D/9 I/7[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue cabinValue"]W/9 R/8 T/1 Y/9 B/9 H/9 K/9 M/9 L/3 V/9 S/9 G/0 E/0

[/TD]

QF94 20/9
Available Seats:

[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]First:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] 5 (at least)[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]Business:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] 9 (at least)[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]Coach:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] 9 (at least)[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]Other:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] n/a [/TD]

[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]Fare Classes:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue cabinValue"]F/5 A/2[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue cabinValue"]J/9 C/9 D/2 I/0[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue cabinValue"]W/9 R/3 T/0 Y/9 B/9 H/9 K/9 M/9 L/9 V/9 S/9 N/9 G/0 E/0[/TD]

Edge · Aug 16, 2013

legroom said:
QF93 loading: F9 A7 J9 C9 D9 I7 W9 R8 T1 Y9 B9 H9K9 M9 L3 V9 S9 G0 E0

J9, D9, I7 = empty spaces in J

QF94 loading: F5 A2 J9 C9 D2 I0 W9 R3 T0 Y9 B9 H9K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 G0 E0

D2, I0: probably low chances there

Good luck

PS: are you sure your fare allows upgrade ?

Thanks Legroom. It's a group booking (Booking class: G). I've called Qantas and they've said that once e-tickets are issued they can split myself & SWMBO out of the group booking and put us in our own booking which will be upgradeable.. but must be requested via the call centre, won't be able to do online. I'm hopeful...

moa999 · Aug 16, 2013

Re: QF Load Sydney/Bangkok

polly1 said:
Hi everyone, can some one assist please with the passenger load for QF 23 SYD/BKK on 19th August, as a Platinum member I am hoping for an oversold in Y and getting bumped up to J
Many Thanks

Following on from polly1's request on 19-Aug, doing the same QF23/24 combo on 21/25-Aug.
I have ExpertFlyer and the flight seems as empty as polly1's.

Looking at SeatMaps however literally every 2nd row is xx_'d out with very limited seat allocation.

Does this mean that loads on this route are below 50% and they are basically blocking every 2nd row to ensure weight distribution ??

5teve · Aug 19, 2013

Re: QF Load Sydney/Bangkok

Hi All, we are on QF1 SYD to LHR on Friday 23rd Aug. Booked in Y+ with upgrade requests to J. Requests put in while WP and SG status.

Would someone be so kind as to check probability?
thanks in advance.
Steve

OATEK · Aug 19, 2013

Re: QF Load Sydney/Bangkok

5teve said:
Hi All, we are on QF1 SYD to LHR on Friday 23rd Aug. Booked in Y+ with upgrade requests to J. Requests put in while WP and SG status.

Would someone be so kind as to check probability?
thanks in advance.
Steve

Expert flyer returns:
F9 A9 J9 C9 D4 I0 W3 R0 T0 Y0 B0 H0 K0 M0 L0 G0 E0

So must be possible given Y=0, and J=9+.

serfty · Aug 19, 2013

Re: QF Load Sydney/Bangkok

moa999 said:
...

Does this mean that loads on this route are below 50% and they are basically blocking every 2nd row to ensure weight distribution ??

Quite likely ...

Omarko_man · Aug 20, 2013

Re: QF Load Sydney/Bangkok

I am on QF5 flying SYD-SIN on 6th Sept, currently booked in Y with upgrade request to J and fall back Y+.

What are my chances of getting the upgrade ? Only Gold QFF status.

Thanks.

OATEK · Aug 20, 2013

Re: QF Load Sydney/Bangkok

Omarko_man said:
I am on QF5 flying SYD-SIN on 6th Sept, currently booked in Y with upgrade request to J and fall back Y+.

What are my chances of getting the upgrade ? Only Gold QFF status.

Thanks.

Lots of seats available in all classes, so from what I have heard here there is not as much pressure to move people up:

[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]First:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] n/a [/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]Business:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] 9 (at least)[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]Coach:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] 9 (at least)[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"][/TD]

[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]Fare Classes:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue cabinValue"][/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue cabinValue"]J/9 C/9 D/9 I/9 U/0[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue cabinValue"]W/9 R/9 T/9 Z/1
Y/9 B/9 H/9 K/9 M/9 L/9 V/9 S/9 N/9 Q/9 O/9 G/0 X/9 E/0

[/TD]

(Search from FlightStats)

daturtle · Aug 20, 2013

Re: QF Load Sydney/Bangkok

5teve said:
Hi All, we are on QF1 SYD to LHR on Friday 23rd Aug. Booked in Y+ with upgrade requests to J. Requests put in while WP and SG status.

Would someone be so kind as to check probability?
thanks in advance.
Steve

Can you let us know how you go? Have a lot of requests but no feedback as to whether they are successful or not makes it difficult to predict them in the future...

Omarko_man · Aug 20, 2013

Re: QF Load Sydney/Bangkok

Thanks, I thought that lots of empty seats in J means that there is a high chance of getting the upgrade through. Why would Qantas want people to hold on to their points ?

Also, I thought that if its tight in economy, yes there are better chances for upgrade but as an OP UP not upgrade with points as they want to sell more economy tickets and reward few high flyers with a free upgrade.

serfty · Aug 20, 2013

Re: QF Load Sydney/Bangkok

OATEK said:
Lots of seats available in all classes, so from what I have heard here there is not as much pressure to move people up:
...

But that does give more of a chance at a points upgrade reward.

I9 is looking good for Business upgrade, Z1 is an award PE - barring unusual event I would not be expecting to travel in economy.

X9 indicates very light in economy so little chance of op-ups ...

amaroo · Aug 20, 2013

Re: QF Load Sydney/Bangkok

Omarko_man said:
Thanks, I thought that lots of empty seats in J means that there is a high chance of getting the upgrade through. Why would Qantas want people to hold on to their points ?

Also, I thought that if its tight in economy, yes there are better chances for upgrade but as an OP UP not upgrade with points as they want to sell more economy tickets and reward few high flyers with a free upgrade.

With those numbers it looks good for receiving the text from the upgrade fairy

All depends how many others are doing the same!

Omarko_man · Aug 20, 2013

Re: QF Load Sydney/Bangkok

cool thanks ! will keep my fingers crossed!

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