Fog in SYD

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Re: BNE popular for diversions this morning.

Have a look at post #120 by jb747. The alternate fuel is mandated by the forecast.

Bill, I think you might mean #119. I wrote #120...and I also put most of the forecasts up.
 
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It has closed in again tonight . Visibility on the road driving past the airport down to about 300 metres . Does anyone have a forecast for the morning ?
 
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Sydney TAF
11:10 UTC, 12/06/2013
TAF YSSY 121110Z 1212/1318
29008KT 4000 BR SCT003
FM122300 30010KT 9999 FEW025
FM130000 32015KT 9999 FEW030
FM131200 30010KT 9999 FEW025
PROB40 1212/1223 0300 FG BKN002
RMK
T 13 12 11 11 Q 1009 1007 1006 1006

So, 40% probability of fog, with 300 metres vis, and broken cloud at 200 feet, from 2200 to 0900.
 
Re: BNE popular for diversions this morning.

Sydney TAF
11:10 UTC, 12/06/2013
TAF YSSY 121110Z 1212/1318
29008KT 4000 BR SCT003
FM122300 30010KT 9999 FEW025
FM130000 32015KT 9999 FEW030
FM131200 30010KT 9999 FEW025
PROB40 1212/1223 0300 FG BKN002
RMK
T 13 12 11 11 Q 1009 1007 1006 1006

So, 40% probability of fog, with 300 metres vis, and broken cloud at 200 feet, from 2200 to 0900.

Thanks jb747 . It seems like SYD is having a run of it in he last few weeks
 
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Diversions are already happening

QF12 to NAN
QF108 to OOL (?!)
QF94 going to AKL

MEL expecting some fog as well which isn't going to help. (although I think MEL is CAT III? Which mitigates this I suppose)

TAF AMD YMML 121100Z 1212/1318
19008KT 9999 -RA DZ FEW005 BKN010
BECMG 1214/1216 21005KT 4000 BR -RA BKN003
BECMG 1300/1302 17014KT 8000 RA SCT006 BKN010
BECMG 1308/1310 18013KT 9000 SHRA BKN006
TEMPO 1212/1216 2000 RA BR BKN004
PROB30 1214/1224 0500 FG
TEMPO 1300/1318 2000 RA BKN005
RMK FM121200 MOD TURB BLW 5000FT
T 10 10 10 11 Q 1008 1008 1007 1008
 
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What a night... My partner was travelling from BNE-SYD on the last JQ flight of the evening. It departed BNE very late and was due to touch down at about 10:55, so had about 5 minutes to play with before curfew kicked in.

I drove out to the airport at about 10:30 and even my poor British car was struggling with the fog! I had the ATC ap running on my iPhone and heard JQ819 conduct a missed approach just before curfew. From memory, a VA from Brisbane and a JQ from AVV did the same. QF from BNE (shame on us for not forking out the extra!) just made it in by total fluke by the sound of it. An EK from DXB also went around and didn't return.

Not knowing what was going on, I drove home and called Jetstar. What a mistake that was! It took 10 minutes to explain to the idiot what I wanted to know. He then proceeded to tell me that he'd called "Jetstar Operations" at Mascot and the plane was definitely landing at 10:50. He even told me he swore his job on it. It was 11:45 at the time (I guess the time change between MNL and SYD is a bit hard to calculate!). After 45 minutes on the phone, and after flight aware made it pretty clear that the flight was diverting to ADL, the supervisor finally admitted that his staff member had straight out lied to me, never called SYD and that the flight was now headed for ADL. He had no idea when it was due to arrive, where the passengers were staying or when they would be departing for SYD the next day. I did learn from this experience that JQ have certainly purchased the cheapest call centre possible in the Philippines and anything they say can only be assumed as a total lie (it took me half an hour to explain to this idiot that I was at the airport and heard the plane go around...).

Passengers have apparently been accommodated in ADL and will depart sometime tomorrow. They had to pay for their own transport (taxi - what else at 1am) from ADL into the city hotel.

Will be very interesting to see what happens in the morning. I see it being screwed up! I observed that an AVV-SYD service ended up diverting to LST. I hate to say it... but with the terrible weather forecast at MEL, SYD, NTL and BNE, I can't imagine why anyone would have departed knowing they would be arriving within 5-10 minutes of the curfew :shock: I'm sure the passengers would have much preferred to stay at their origin rather than spend 4-5 hours sitting on an aircraft that ends up on the other side of the country.
 
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Re: BNE popular for diversions this morning.

Launceston !!! Why you would divert a flight to LST at that time of night is just beyond me
 
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Ditto for a BNE-SYD ending up in ADL! With the TAF's looking as they were, I'd have never left (especially given the curfew was literally a 5-10 minute issue). I believe JQ819 went around at about 10:58 or so. Even on a fine day that was pushing it!
 
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Launceston !!! Why you would divert a flight to LST at that time of night is just beyond me
Ops might have had something to do with that, perhaps a departure from LST tomorrow that is unlikely to go as the inbound a/c can't get there? The weather also looks nasty in MEL atm.

YBBN
TAF AMD YBBN 121545Z 1216/1318
33008KT 9999 -SHRA DZ SCT015 SCT040
FM130000 29008KT 9999 -SHRA SCT020 BKN040
FM130300 30008KT 9999 SCT040
TEMPO 1216/1223 3000 DZ BKN010
PROB30 1218/1223 0500 FG
RMK
T 18 17 18 21 Q 1011 1010 1011 1011


All I can say is thank God I am not flying today...good luck to anyone who is...
 
Re: BNE popular for diversions this morning.

Was there a SYD forecast for fog before 11:10 UTC? Flights such as CX111 would've missed it.
 
Re: BNE popular for diversions this morning.

What a night... My partner was travelling from BNE-SYD on the last JQ flight of the evening. It departed BNE very late and was due to touch down at about 10:55, so had about 5 minutes to play with before curfew kicked in.

I drove out to the airport at about 10:30 and even my poor British car was struggling with the fog! I had the ATC ap running on my iPhone and heard JQ819 conduct a missed approach just before curfew. From memory, a VA from Brisbane and a JQ from AVV did the same. QF from BNE (shame on us for not forking out the extra!) just made it in by total fluke by the sound of it. An EK from DXB also went around and didn't return.

Not knowing what was going on, I drove home and called Jetstar. What a mistake that was! It took 10 minutes to explain to the idiot what I wanted to know. He then proceeded to tell me that he'd called "Jetstar Operations" at Mascot and the plane was definitely landing at 10:50. He even told me he swore his job on it. It was 11:45 at the time (I guess the time change between MNL and SYD is a bit hard to calculate!). After 45 minutes on the phone, and after flight aware made it pretty clear that the flight was diverting to ADL, the supervisor finally admitted that his staff member had straight out lied to me, never called SYD and that the flight was now headed for ADL. He had no idea when it was due to arrive, where the passengers were staying or when they would be departing for SYD the next day. I did learn from this experience that JQ have certainly purchased the cheapest call centre possible in the Philippines and anything they say can only be assumed as a total lie (it took me half an hour to explain to this idiot that I was at the airport and heard the plane go around...).

Passengers have apparently been accommodated in ADL and will depart sometime tomorrow. They had to pay for their own transport (taxi - what else at 1am) from ADL into the city hotel.

Will be very interesting to see what happens in the morning. I see it being screwed up! I observed that an AVV-SYD service ended up diverting to LST. I hate to say it... but with the terrible weather forecast at MEL, SYD, NTL and BNE, I can't imagine why anyone would have departed knowing they would be arriving within 5-10 minutes of the curfew :shock: I'm sure the passengers would have much preferred to stay at their origin rather than spend 4-5 hours sitting on an aircraft that ends up on the other side of the country.

Doesn't Adelaide have a curfew also?
 
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Doesn't Adelaide have a curfew also?
Like all curfews it can be waived if necessary. With fog/storms forecast/impacting MEL, SYD and BNE I guess it becomes attractive as a safe option.
 
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Like all curfews it can be waived if necessary. With fog/storms forecast/impacting MEL, SYD and BNE I guess it becomes attractive as a safe option.

Would of thought NTL, CBR or OOL would be better alternatives. Wonder if the passengers will get the extra status credits for going via ADL :p
 
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VA Domestic Cancellations already started...

MEL>SYD / 6.00 & 6.30
CBR>SYD / 6.00 & 7.45
 
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1st attempted landing by BA , missed approach.
 
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I can't get Live ATC to work atm but looks like BA15 just failed to land.
 
Re: BNE popular for diversions this morning.

I can't get Live ATC to work atm but looks like BA15 just failed to land.

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Just heard ATC say both BNE & MEL have fog . BA making another attempt , if missed they will go to ADL
 
Re: BNE popular for diversions this morning.

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Just heard ATC say both BNE & MEL have fog . BA making another attempt , if missed they will go to ADL

Just heard the same, thanks :)
 
Re: BNE popular for diversions this morning.

SYD looks ok at the moment, the city is quite foggy but the airport is relatively clear.
Check in agent mentioned this morning that some inbound flights had/were landing at NAN as the fog was quite bad earlier on.
 
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