General Coronavirus chit chat thread - non-travel specific

[VPS]

I wonder if Karen will contact them

 

[Flying mermaid]

This is an interesting article.

The coronavirus health complications no-one expected

What is surprising about the virus causing the current global pandemic is the extent of the complications occurring outside the lungs in infected people.

www.abc.net.au

quite a few of Dr FM’s team in London had the virus in March and 3 months later some of the doctors are struggling to do a full shift - almost a chronic fatigue presentation. They are under 40 with no underlying issues. So for anyone thinking it’s just vulnerable people who need to be protected and for everyone else it is just a mild illness - that might be true but no guarantees.

 

[Must...Fly!]

This is an interesting article.

The coronavirus health complications no-one expected

What is surprising about the virus causing the current global pandemic is the extent of the complications occurring outside the lungs in infected people.

www.abc.net.au

quite a few of Dr FM’s team in London had the virus in March and 3 months later some of the doctors are struggling to do a full shift - almost a chronic fatigue presentation. They are under 40 with no underlying issues. So for anyone thinking it’s just vulnerable people who need to be protected and for everyone else it is just a mild illness - that might be true but no guarantees.

I'm quite sure long term fatigue was outlined as a possible complication of infection in February.

It got my attention at the time, as I had a particularly bad bout of Epstein-Barr (glandular fever) 3 years ago. I reckon only in the last 6-12 months have I felt like I've really emerged from under that cloud, so I certainly wouldn't wish that kind of an experience on anyone.

 

[Flying mermaid]

I'm quite sure long term fatigue was outlined as a possible complication of infection in February.

It got my attention at the time, as I had a particularly bad bout of Epstein-Barr (glandular fever) 3 years ago. I reckon only in the last 6-12 months have I felt like I've really emerged from under that cloud, so I certainly wouldn't wish that kind of an experience on anyone.

I think everything seems to be a possible complication - it’s an incredible virus. Commiserations on your experience - I have known a few people with glandular fever and it does seem to take forever to bounce back.

my comment was more based on the age of Dr FMs co workers. While the death rates are highest among my age group, it is not always a mild disease among the young,

 

[oz_mark]

This is an interesting article.

The coronavirus health complications no-one expected

What is surprising about the virus causing the current global pandemic is the extent of the complications occurring outside the lungs in infected people.

www.abc.net.au

quite a few of Dr FM’s team in London had the virus in March and 3 months later some of the doctors are struggling to do a full shift - almost a chronic fatigue presentation. They are under 40 with no underlying issues. So for anyone thinking it’s just vulnerable people who need to be protected and for everyone else it is just a mild illness - that might be true but no guarantees.

I had read earlier that the virus does seem to have significant vascular effects in some people. Seems to me there's going to be a lot of lingering long term health effects....

 

[drron]

Though the EB virus does affect a younger subset of the population generally teens and twenties.Why it was known back in the dim past as the "kissing disease".And even in that age group is a common cause of chronic fatique.

 

[Pushka]

This is an interesting article.

The coronavirus health complications no-one expected

What is surprising about the virus causing the current global pandemic is the extent of the complications occurring outside the lungs in infected people.

www.abc.net.au

quite a few of Dr FM’s team in London had the virus in March and 3 months later some of the doctors are struggling to do a full shift - almost a chronic fatigue presentation. They are under 40 with no underlying issues. So for anyone thinking it’s just vulnerable people who need to be protected and for everyone else it is just a mild illness - that might be true but no guarantees.

Which begs the question I guess, if this is an immune reaction and that is thrown out of order, then vulnerable ones may find they develop auto immune issues later on.

Viral load amongst Covid hospital workers may also be a factor and most younger people won't experience anything like that.

 

[clipped_wings]

It’s funny this old world. At the start of the year I was getting married, honeymooning in Europe and looking forward to my career progressing. Now: unlikely we will be able to leave the state let alone the country, the curtains have come down on my career and a second wave will briskly see off the wedding plans. At some point I’ll laugh about it.

Hugs to you my friend. You just reminded me to be a little more grateful for the life I have. Hang in there - and save a laugh for me

 

[tgh]

Mystery as Argentine sailors infected with virus after 35 days at sea

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I wonder if the virus was on some sort of surface for the supplies needed for the journey?

 

[mrs.dr.ron]

 

[drron]

I wonder if the virus was on some sort of surface for the supplies needed for the journey?

A very reasonable suggestion.
Also the positive tests doesn't mean the infection is recent as the test is for pieces of the virus.Some were obviously asymptomatic reading that report closely then slowly spread until someone had symptoms.
Also they were in quarantine but was it a "Melbourne" type quarantine.

The problem is not even the experts really know everything about the way this virus behaves.Early this month an opinion piece was in the Lancet saying fomite spread was unlikely.
Exaggerated risk of transmission of COVID-19 by fomites-Lancet 3rd July.

But a week later the CDC in the USA released a study of an outbreak in China where a woman who had no known contact with other people in her unit block,was asymptomatic and self isolated still infected others-

Woman gave 71 people virus in 60 seconds

One asymptomatic carrier rode an elevator alone, then 71 people got COVID-19. She did everything right. She had no symptoms, but she self-quarantined anyway after travel. She stayed in her apartment. She ordered-in food. But she became patient zero in a 71-case cluster.

www.news.com.au

Presumably via the lift.

And there is now a proven case of transmission in the uterus with placental cells showing viral particles.

Case report suggests intrauterine transmission of SARS-CoV-2 infection in a preterm infant

A case report published in The Pediatric Infectious Disease Journal represents a case of congenital SARS-CoV-2 infection in an infant born via coughl delivery to a mother with COVID-19.“We present a preterm infant who developed a fever and mild respiratory disease on the second day of life,”...

dgalerts.docguide.com

We then have an outspoken German Immunologist who makes some out of the box statements that many wouldn't agree with but one point he makes is interesting.Those places that were badly affected by the SARs virus in 2003-southern China,Taiwan,South Korea and hong kong have been the standouts in having less Covid infections-so could that be because SARs did give some immunity against Covid?

Coronavirus: Why everyone was wrong

The immune response to the virus is stronger than everyone thought

medium.com

So I think everyone is still learning.

 

[trevella]

We then have an outspoken German Immunologist who makes some out of the box statements that many wouldn't agree with but one point he makes is interesting.Those places that were badly affected by the SARs virus in 2003-southern China,Taiwan,South Korea and hong kong have been the standouts in having less Covid infections-so could that be because SARs did give some immunity against Covid?

It doesn't have to be as extreme as that... there are those who posit that even just previous exposure to the common cold may have conferred a degree of cross-immunity.

 

[Pushka]

An interesting description of Covid from an Aussie who developed it overseas in March (not sure whether UK or US). She describes the symptoms not as a respiratory illness but more a vascular one. She was part of a FB group of Covid people who would discuss their symptoms and then a week or so later they would be reported in the medical areas. Her symptoms related to mentail acuity and her group similarly reported it was like they were having a series of mini strokes that affected speech and thoughts. She was unable to construct sentences for example. She did also experience difficulty breathing at times. This relates to the information that blood clotting seems to be a critical part of the process. It also confirms earlier medical comments about covid and blood clotting on an APS twitter feed I'm on where I follow rheumatologists who treat APS - which is an auto immune process that creates blood clots. And this is why blood thinners are the treatment for APS along with plaquenil (hydroxychloroquine) - the latter reduces inflammation that contributes to the blood condition.

Inflammation may also be the reason why breathing becomes so difficult.

 

[Flying mermaid]

I found this amusing (although sad as well)

Two blokes try to hand out free masks to everyone and film the feedback

We’re trying to think of a witty intro to this one, but we’re struggling, and that’s probably because our jaws are on the floor and our heads are shaking. Obviously, we all know that the States is getting shafted hardcore by Coronavirus and that the place has managed to politicise something as...

ozzyman.com

 

[DC3]

How about this driver in Melbourne:

'Selfish' Melbourne driver condemned over coronavirus checkpoint stunt

A Melbourne driver has been blasted as disrespectful' after footage emerged of her refusing to tell police where she was going at a coronavirus checkpoint.

thenewdaily.com.au

 

[Pushka]

How about this driver in Melbourne:

'Selfish' Melbourne driver condemned over coronavirus checkpoint stunt

A Melbourne driver has been blasted as disrespectful' after footage emerged of her refusing to tell police where she was going at a coronavirus checkpoint.

thenewdaily.com.au

They know who she is and are going to fine her.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

They know who she is and are going to fine her.

Eve Black was too dumb to realise that the vehicle she was driving had an ID Device called a number plate.

She was also too dumb to realise that if she was not meant to be in the LGA that a fine will be coming her way.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Another male driver who did a similar post, is also going to cop an extra fine for his vehicle not being registered. Dang Number plate strike's again.

 

[DC3]

Eve Black was too dumb to realise that the vehicle she was driving had an ID Device called a number plate. She was also too dumb to realise that if she was not meant to be in the LGA that a fine will be coming her way.

But Eve thought that she was so smart in getting through the check point.

Eve Black

Edit: And just had to post on Facebook.

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