General Coronavirus chit chat thread - non-travel specific

I wonder whether we are going to break the AFF server with how much we are all posting. Sorry @Admin

Nah, modern IT systems have room for chit chat that grow far more quickly than we can post. I suspect that you could actually these days download every single AFF post EVER onto a storage device that you will lose in your purse as it is so small....
 
This bit i disagree with. Not in your beliefs, but in the reality that is so under-reported. The USA is an absolute hotspot for this bug. Probably only second to the originating China in importance.

The USA is the worlds most affluent nation, with, hand in hand, the greatest number of world travellers. It is also a nation with a health care system that is "unique" (trying not to use a descriptive here that starts with the letters "fuc...."

The US does not have the diabolical one-party, iron fisted rulership that China has, but they have influences that are perhaps even more powerful than any simple Emperor or equivalent. The entire US health system very actively tries to disuade anyone from using it. Using sheer cost. Dollars being the standard and universal currency / lingo in the true home of capitalism.

For Christ's sake, even after a few months where dozens and dozens of meeker countries had identified Corona cases, the USA had not even managed to actually test anyone!!

There will be as many individuals with Corona today in the USA as in Iran or Italy. And the USA has the economic strength to pass this on, both within their own community and to other countries...

The USA is, IMHO, a truly strong "COVID-19 epicentre"
Now juddles if you are going to teach me about Corona virus you will have to be a little bit more careful of facts.
It was December 31 that there were reports of a mysterious pneumonia in Wuhan-had probably been happening for a month.
January 11th China reported first death-ie less than 2 months ago-not many months.
January 20th.First US case in a traveller returning from Wuhan.
January 30th WHO first reports an epidemic.
Feb 4th-CDC releases it's first test kit.Had problems but fixed quickly.Authorised other public health labs to produce their kits.

Moral of the story-don't believe everything you read in papers or see in the media.
 
Now juddles if you are going to teach me about Corona virus you will have to be a little bit more careful of facts.
It was December 31 that there were reports of a mysterious pneumonia in Wuhan-had probably been happening for a month.
January 11th China reported first death-ie less than 2 months ago-not many months.
January 20th.First US case in a traveller returning from Wuhan.
January 30th WHO first reports an epidemic.
Feb 4th-CDC releases it's first test kit.Had problems but fixed quickly.Authorised other public health labs to produce their kits.

Moral of the story-don't believe everything you read in papers or see in the media.

My esteemed DrRon, I do not understand from your post what you think I am incorrect in understanding? Am I wrong in getting from the available news that the USA has only just begun testing? (apart from some specific cases numbering in the tens...)
 
The power of the email notifications or the most recently updated thread list I guess. I made a post after the thread had been dormant for a day and it took off from there.

Thank you for the timeline @drron

Is there a thread on the forum discussing exactly what the disease is and how it started?\

I'm attempting to keep an open mind and don't wish to judge people who have caught the virus. I see them as victims. There isn't enough information at the moment for anyone to judge.
 
Hmmm.... I think that I will have to go out on a limb here....

This post will be recorded for ever in AFF, and thus in posting I accept the inevitable detractors that will use it in the future to belittle me if my predictions are wrong :) But I have a very thick skin....

I want to share my current perspectives on Corona. As in what I really think is the reality with this beastie. Me, as a non-medico who relies on a simple combo of news and intellect. This will be a lengthy post, which in itself will be a confrontational facet to younger people, but here we go:

(1) COVID-19 will be a truly global pandemic. The rate at which it has leapt borders shows how susceptible we are to disease.

(2) Despite the sheer mud of stats to trawl through, it is clear that COVID does have some severe impact with a percentage of the population, in this case targetting particularly the older generation.

(3) The virus has a transmissability that is moderately high. Despite many versions of understanding, it appears to be infective even before the carrier is highly affected.

(4) given the high rate of success of the virus to jump human to human, and the intense scope of modern travel, this virus will be present in effectively all areas - all towns, all cities.

(5) The attempts to constrain it have been unsuccessful. They may have slowed it down, but essentially the whole attempt to constrain it has failed. The sheer number of countries worldwide, and places within Australia, have confirmed this. Literally nowhere has managed to stay virus-free.

(6) I think that there are enough cases now present even in regional areas that attempts to geographically contain it have already failed. And with the exponential increase in numbers that any such thing entails, we are rapidly (if not already past) approaching a point that containment is simply impossible.

This is where I get to delve into predictions that today, 8th of March, may seem ludicrous. But this post is just about how I think things will evolve.....

(7) In two or so weeks the number of cases within Australia will skyrocket. As it will in any of the countries that are able to actually test for the virus. A simple prediction based on mathematics....

(8) It may not happen before Easter (but it may), but the Australian government will take steps, drastic ones that have never been seen before. Schools will be closed. All manner of public events will be cancelled in the next few months. The government will move from a position of panic-prevention to actual real steps.

(9) Corona virus will sweep Australia in the next few months. Our top-notch medical facilities will help us to endure this better than many countries, but we will still suffer.

(10) the mortality rate overall will be significant. I expect about 10 to 50 thousands victims......
 
Hmmm.... I think that I will have to go out on a limb here....

This post will be recorded for ever in AFF, and thus in posting I accept the inevitable detractors that will use it in the future to belittle me if my predictions are wrong :) But I have a very thick skin....

I want to share my current perspectives on Corona. As in what I really think is the reality with this beastie. Me, as a non-medico who relies on a simple combo of news and intellect. This will be a lengthy post, which in itself will be a confrontational facet to younger people, but here we go:

(1) COVID-19 will be a truly global pandemic. The rate at which it has leapt borders shows how susceptible we are to disease.

(2) Despite the sheer mud of stats to trawl through, it is clear that COVID does have some severe impact with a percentage of the population, in this case targetting particularly the older generation.

(3) The virus has a transmissability that is moderately high. Despite many versions of understanding, it appears to be infective even before the carrier is highly affected.

(4) given the high rate of success of the virus to jump human to human, and the intense scope of modern travel, this virus will be present in effectively all areas - all towns, all cities.

(5) The attempts to constrain it have been unsuccessful. They may have slowed it down, but essentially the whole attempt to constrain it has failed. The sheer number of countries worldwide, and places within Australia, have confirmed this. Literally nowhere has managed to stay virus-free.

(6) I think that there are enough cases now present even in regional areas that attempts to geographically contain it have already failed. And with the exponential increase in numbers that any such thing entails, we are rapidly (if not already past) approaching a point that containment is simply impossible.

This is where I get to delve into predictions that today, 8th of March, may seem ludicrous. But this post is just about how I think things will evolve.....

(7) In two or so weeks the number of cases within Australia will skyrocket. As it will in any of the countries that are able to actually test for the virus. A simple prediction based on mathematics....

(8) It may not happen before Easter (but it may), but the Australian government will take steps, drastic ones that have never been seen before. Schools will be closed. All manner of public events will be cancelled in the next few months. The government will move from a position of panic-prevention to actual real steps.

(9) Corona virus will sweep Australia in the next few months. Our top-notch medical facilities will help us to endure this better than many countries, but we will still suffer.

(10) the mortality rate overall will be significant. I expect about 10 to 50 thousands victims......
I agree with all your points except mortality rates which will be much higher because of Africa and some parts of South America.
 
While this scenario may well play out (but with much lower domestic mortality hopefully), we should get through it. What worries me is how we would cope with a pandemic with a 90% mortality rate.
 
My esteemed DrRon, I do not understand from your post what you think I am incorrect in understanding? Am I wrong in getting from the available news that the USA has only just begun testing? (apart from some specific cases numbering in the tens...)
The problem is that you are getting your news from the media.Not a reliable source in situations such as this.
The USA has been testing since at least 4th Feb.The CDC did give up on posting test numbers as testing is being done by many centres using more than 1 sort of test kit.

They were not reporting back to the CDC.Here is just 1 centre in Washington State and they have done 400 tests.

Worrying that at a University they are getting 5-7% positive results.This contrasts with the UK figures.
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That is just over 1%.
Also people have been talking of the cost to get tested in the US.However Insurance bodies in Washington state have been issued an order preventing them charging a co payment.

They are lucky in Seattle to have Bill Gates who has given $5 million to combat the corona virus there.

Though a silver lining to all of this.Thanks to the uptake of personal hygeine including hand washing the flu season has ended early in HKG.
 
The USA is, IMHO, a truly strong "COVID-19 epicentre"

My bad choice of words. I meant it wasn't being reported as a epicentre like some other countries were. And less so over a week ago when the doctor was there.

Quite a few media stories today about general medical profession support for this doctor.

I suppose my point was: What do you do when you just have a runny nose and nothing much else when even doctors are getting it wrong? I suspect self-isolation is going to become popular, maybe even expected.
 
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Well obviously with that high a mortality rate most of us won't have to worry as we will be dead.
Yes indeed. Our current experience with Covid-19 highlights how poorly equipped we are, despite all the technology, to defend ourselves against a novel virial pandemic, which will happen again and is, I reckon, more likely to be our extinction event than global nuclear war or an impact from a large celestial object.
 
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Yes indeed. Our current experience with Covid-19 highlights how poorly equipped we are, despite all the technology, to defend ourselves against a novel virial pandemic, which will happen again and is more likely to be our extinction event than global nuclear war or an impact from a large celestial object.
I think it is an impossible task. We just can't afford to have massive medical technology on hand. The virus requires extensive life support systems in severe cases.
 
Yes indeed. Our current experience with Covid-19 highlights how poorly equipped we are, despite all the technology, to defend ourselves against a novel virial pandemic, which will happen again and is more likely to be our extinction event than global nuclear war or an impact from a large celestial object.

You had a reasonable post until the AND....
😂 . Would love your crystal ball for a moment can you give me the power ball numbers for next week quickly?
 
Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized. In the first stage it is ridiculed, in the second stage it is opposed, in the third stage it is regarded as self-evident. ” —Schopenhauer
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Hmmm.... I think that I will have to go out on a limb here....

This post will be recorded for ever in AFF, and thus in posting I accept the inevitable detractors that will use it in the future to belittle me if my predictions are wrong :) But I have a very thick skin....

I want to share my current perspectives on Corona. As in what I really think is the reality with this beastie. Me, as a non-medico who relies on a simple combo of news and intellect. This will be a lengthy post, which in itself will be a confrontational facet to younger people, but here we go:

(1) COVID-19 will be a truly global pandemic. The rate at which it has leapt borders shows how susceptible we are to disease.

(2) Despite the sheer mud of stats to trawl through, it is clear that COVID does have some severe impact with a percentage of the population, in this case targetting particularly the older generation.

(3) The virus has a transmissability that is moderately high. Despite many versions of understanding, it appears to be infective even before the carrier is highly affected.

(4) given the high rate of success of the virus to jump human to human, and the intense scope of modern travel, this virus will be present in effectively all areas - all towns, all cities.

(5) The attempts to constrain it have been unsuccessful. They may have slowed it down, but essentially the whole attempt to constrain it has failed. The sheer number of countries worldwide, and places within Australia, have confirmed this. Literally nowhere has managed to stay virus-free.

(6) I think that there are enough cases now present even in regional areas that attempts to geographically contain it have already failed. And with the exponential increase in numbers that any such thing entails, we are rapidly (if not already past) approaching a point that containment is simply impossible.

This is where I get to delve into predictions that today, 8th of March, may seem ludicrous. But this post is just about how I think things will evolve.....

(7) In two or so weeks the number of cases within Australia will skyrocket. As it will in any of the countries that are able to actually test for the virus. A simple prediction based on mathematics....

(8) It may not happen before Easter (but it may), but the Australian government will take steps, drastic ones that have never been seen before. Schools will be closed. All manner of public events will be cancelled in the next few months. The government will move from a position of panic-prevention to actual real steps.

(9) Corona virus will sweep Australia in the next few months. Our top-notch medical facilities will help us to endure this better than many countries, but we will still suffer.

(10) the mortality rate overall will be significant. I expect about 10 to 50 thousands victims......


I'm worried about Point 8 about schools being closed and public events cancelled. My gut instinct is to say that would never happen here, but then, given some of the things that are happening in other countries, I might end up with the family at home for a couple of weeks and this will be difficult for us and not good for my mental health. I've just spent 3 weeks at home looking after a sick child and that's already having a huge effect on my mental health. I can't be the only one who's mental health will be affected by all of this and I'm wondering if anyone has explored the implications to the mental health sector, both the staff and the patients. My child is well again and I've just been to a 2 day convention. I want to buy a ticket to another convention in June but my partner is against this given the high chance of cancellation or the risk of going to the convention and the disease being spread around.

I'm hoping Point 9 about the good healthcare in Australia lessening the impact on the general population. This is going to be a big test for the health system but I'm hoping the huge amount of money we've contributed to medicare and private health insurance will finally pay off.
 
I'm worried about Point 8 about schools being closed and public events cancelled. My gut instinct is to say that would never happen here, but then, given some of the things that are happening in other countries, I might end up with the family at home for a couple of weeks and this will be difficult for us and not good for my mental health. I've just spent 3 weeks at home looking after a sick child and that's already having a huge effect on my mental health. I can't be the only one who's mental health will be affected by all of this and I'm wondering if anyone has explored the implications to the mental health sector, both the staff and the patients. My child is well again and I've just been to a 2 day convention. I want to buy a ticket to another convention in June but my partner is against this given the high chance of cancellation or the risk of going to the convention and the disease being spread around.

I'm hoping Point 9 about the good healthcare in Australia lessening the impact on the general population. This is going to be a big test for the health system but I'm hoping the huge amount of money we've contributed to medicare and private health insurance will finally pay off.
The Medicare only comes part way to funding ongoing public health issues. Probably just scratches the surface of the actual cost in reality. Health is like a bottomless bucket of costs.
 

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