General Coronavirus chit chat thread - non-travel specific

Hi there all.

This is a wandering – and sharing of feelings and ideas that is not a standard post. But I think what I am feeling is sufficiently worth it to share:

As perhaps for many, during this lockdown there is a sudden increase in communications within my family. Suddenly I get emails that involve my mother and sister and brother and aunt – people who I cherish but do not usually communicate with. I actually steer clear of much of this – as being the black sheep of the family requires. I am just not “into” frequent contact, far less the sharing of feelings. But a “thread” that was recently engaged in by all these people led back to Chile, and specifically the “something” that I wish to share – because I feel it is truly relevant in this new age of COVID and fear and hope.

For those that have suffered some of my other postings, I spent many years in Chile when I was a kid. In a small fishing village. My father worked at an astronomical observatory thing – run by Europeans. But as a family we ended up living and being part of just a tiny fishing village of perhaps 500 people. This is the 1980’s – Life was simple and hard. Especially in Chile at that time.

As a kid I got on well with the locals – I was part of them - but even back then I understood somehow that my parents were the key to our acceptance there. My father was aloof in a general sense – not social at all. But he would drop everything at a moment to help someone fix something mechanical. My mother was the opposite – a sheerly social person. As adults suffer, her Spanish was never perfect, but the audacity that a crazy gringo has in a small fishing village has wins through. The people of the community loved her. Back then it was even poorer than it is now. No local medical facilities, etc. We would lend torches to the local police when they got a night job….

But I was just a teenager then – I “got” part of this, but at the end of the day I just thought my parents were nice people who helped the small community that we became part of.

As some would have read in some other posts I have made in this forum, my parents eventually left this tiny village and returned to Australia. And many years later (2018) I returned there and reclaimed the house they abandoned. And even after many many years, I found myself basking in some glory of love that the village held for my family.

Back to the current family email exchange – and now I understand why..

I will include here a quote from my mother’s email – without permission as she is old and shows flippant regard to modern email decorum anyway :)

She wrote:

“this reminds me of Pato Cores in Chile. Pato was legally blind and had done his 12 years of schooling at the Braille institute in La Serena. He had no vision in one eye, but taught himself to read "in negro" in (black) with the every limited vision he had in the other eye. When he started to get terrible headaches and feared for the sight in his "good" eye, I took him to my private Opthalmologist. Pato came out with a prescription for glasses and I remember us going to pick them up. He stood at the door of the Opticians and said "I can see the wheels on the trucks". In the following weeks he wandered all over our village where he had lived all his life , seeing familiar places, people and things for the first time. His vision was still far from "normal" and he did walk with his face on a slightly odd angle to see, but he saw. Pato would have been in his early thirties at that time. The sad thing was that Pato had seen that same Opthalmologist many years earlier - but as a public patient he was not given any script. Going as a private patient (we paid) changed everything. He was a bright bloke and would have loved to have gone to University. Pato died of a heart attack a few years later. “

This brought literal tears to my eyes.

I remember Pato, as he was the one (in a tiny fishing village when I was just a kid) that wore “coke bottle glasses”. I never knew before today the story.

I share this in these COVID times as a reality check. Pato, even back then, could not even get glasses to see as the system he was under did not give him that. We here in Australia are so truly successful and wealthy. We have an absolutely magnificent social security and health system – yet many of us will still suffer in this viral nightmare. But just imagine what it is like in places (almost the entire world – even the USA) where healthcare is a rich persons game..

I am unashamed of admiring my parents – they are so much nicer than me. They lived with the belief, even though they never even contemplated it, that to give is so much more rewarding than to receive. Maybe the hardship of many years spent in the aussie outback engendered that spirit in them. But I think, given my experience of living in many overseas places, that that altruistic and generous spirit is a huge national asset. We as aussies are good people. Truly so.

And that gives me great hope for the years ahead, and also, right now, in the current mayhem.

I am not a politician, so I have no agenda. So even if it sounds corny, let’s fight this current crisis together. Small good things have miraculous effects.
 
Hi there all.

This is a wandering – and sharing of feelings and ideas that is not a standard post. But I think what I am feeling is sufficiently worth it to share:

As perhaps for many, during this lockdown there is a sudden increase in communications within my family. Suddenly I get emails that involve my mother and sister and brother and aunt – people who I cherish but do not usually communicate with. I actually steer clear of much of this – as being the black sheep of the family requires. I am just not “into” frequent contact, far less the sharing of feelings. But a “thread” that was recently engaged in by all these people led back to Chile, and specifically the “something” that I wish to share – because I feel it is truly relevant in this new age of COVID and fear and hope.

For those that have suffered some of my other postings, I spent many years in Chile when I was a kid. In a small fishing village. My father worked at an astronomical observatory thing – run by Europeans. But as a family we ended up living and being part of just a tiny fishing village of perhaps 500 people. This is the 1980’s – Life was simple and hard. Especially in Chile at that time.

As a kid I got on well with the locals – I was part of them - but even back then I understood somehow that my parents were the key to our acceptance there. My father was aloof in a general sense – not social at all. But he would drop everything at a moment to help someone fix something mechanical. My mother was the opposite – a sheerly social person. As adults suffer, her Spanish was never perfect, but the audacity that a crazy gringo has in a small fishing village has wins through. The people of the community loved her. Back then it was even poorer than it is now. No local medical facilities, etc. We would lend torches to the local police when they got a night job….

But I was just a teenager then – I “got” part of this, but at the end of the day I just thought my parents were nice people who helped the small community that we became part of.

As some would have read in some other posts I have made in this forum, my parents eventually left this tiny village and returned to Australia. And many years later (2018) I returned there and reclaimed the house they abandoned. And even after many many years, I found myself basking in some glory of love that the village held for my family.

Back to the current family email exchange – and now I understand why..

I will include here a quote from my mother’s email – without permission as she is old and shows flippant regard to modern email decorum anyway :)

She wrote:

“this reminds me of Pato Cores in Chile. Pato was legally blind and had done his 12 years of schooling at the Braille institute in La Serena. He had no vision in one eye, but taught himself to read "in negro" in (black) with the every limited vision he had in the other eye. When he started to get terrible headaches and feared for the sight in his "good" eye, I took him to my private Opthalmologist. Pato came out with a prescription for glasses and I remember us going to pick them up. He stood at the door of the Opticians and said "I can see the wheels on the trucks". In the following weeks he wandered all over our village where he had lived all his life , seeing familiar places, people and things for the first time. His vision was still far from "normal" and he did walk with his face on a slightly odd angle to see, but he saw. Pato would have been in his early thirties at that time. The sad thing was that Pato had seen that same Opthalmologist many years earlier - but as a public patient he was not given any script. Going as a private patient (we paid) changed everything. He was a bright bloke and would have loved to have gone to University. Pato died of a heart attack a few years later. “

This brought literal tears to my eyes.

I remember Pato, as he was the one (in a tiny fishing village when I was just a kid) that wore “coke bottle glasses”. I never knew before today the story.

I share this in these COVID times as a reality check. Pato, even back then, could not even get glasses to see as the system he was under did not give him that. We here in Australia are so truly successful and wealthy. We have an absolutely magnificent social security and health system – yet many of us will still suffer in this viral nightmare. But just imagine what it is like in places (almost the entire world – even the USA) where healthcare is a rich persons game..

I am unashamed of admiring my parents – they are so much nicer than me. They lived with the belief, even though they never even contemplated it, that to give is so much more rewarding than to receive. Maybe the hardship of many years spent in the aussie outback engendered that spirit in them. But I think, given my experience of living in many overseas places, that that altruistic and generous spirit is a huge national asset. We as aussies are good people. Truly so.

And that gives me great hope for the years ahead, and also, right now, in the current mayhem.

I am not a politician, so I have no agenda. So even if it sounds corny, let’s fight this current crisis together. Small good things have miraculous effects.

Beautiful story, mate - and I can 'see' it, if you get what I mean, from having been there last year. :)
 
I am unashamed of admiring my parents – they are so much nicer than me. They lived with the belief, even though they never even contemplated it, that to give is so much more rewarding than to receive. Maybe the hardship of many years spent in the aussie outback engendered that spirit in them. But I think, given my experience of living in many overseas places, that that altruistic and generous spirit is a huge national asset. We as aussies are good people. Truly so.

And that gives me great hope for the years ahead, and also, right now, in the current mayhem.

Generalising a bit I think hard times bred generosity, whereas easy times bread greed and a greater tendency for self-interest.

Older generations had been through harder times by and large. The times that one lives though shape one.

When I was young I noticed that my father was always volunteering for various things, whether it be in clubs or community activities or just helping someone out. One day I ask him why. His reply was simply that "In life you should always put in more than you take out".

I expect many will refocus on what is truly important to them post CV 19 and that the habits, lifestyles and how many work will change. Your kids kids, will probably wonder why grandma washes her hands so often ;) Just as you perhaps wondered why your grandparents never threw anything out.
 
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It appears not all Tassie politicians feel as entitled as the Senator previously mentioned in this thread.The Sports Minister demonstrates what should be done.

The local Federal Member here in Launceston has also donated part of her salary to charity in this emergency.
 
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In South Africa, social distancing and self isolation is being combined with total alcohol prohibition 😲😲
Not sure how well that is working as 17 liquor stores in CapeTown were looted.

you are only allowed to leave to get food or medical treatment - not even allowed out for a walk, so I can totally understand why they have banned alcohol. It would get very difficult in the crowded slum areas. There is currently a lot of agitation to get the ban lifted and a possible legal challenge.
 
The ACT police did not issue any fines at all. Meanwhile, in Qld, police raised $660K. Just a bit gung ho up there.

I was reading a comment by someone on the Canberra Times subscriber forum. He was complaining bitterly about a very large and noisy party happening in an apartment next to him (he lives in community housing). He phoned the police to tell them and they said it was nothing to do with them - he should complain to ACT Housing on Tuesday. Might explain why no fines are being issued....
 
That seems an unusual response if it’s what the police said. I think that the ACT police are more likely to issue warnings and fines as per this Canberra Times article :

“ Nearly 400 drivers were stopped by ACT police for carrying out non-essential travel during the Easter long weekend police.

While no fines were issued for breaching social distancing guidelines, officers were called to break up large gatherings of people in houses and parks across Canberra, along with businesses that were thought to still be operating, despite government restrictions.

An ACT police spokesman said warnings were issued to three men who were working on a car together outside a home in Forde.

Almost 50 drivers were told to turn around on highways leading out of Canberra after their travel was deemed non-essential, among them a driver towing a caravan into NSW.”

“We still saw many drivers on the roads unnecessarily, people attending large gatherings and people not practicing social distancing in places like the area around Lake Burley Griffin," Chief Police Officer Johnson said.”

I was reading a comment by someone on the Canberra Times subscriber forum. He was complaining bitterly about a very large and noisy party happening in an apartment next to him (he lives in community housing). He phoned the police to tell them and they said it was nothing to do with them - he should complain to ACT Housing on Tuesday. Might explain why no fines are being issued....
 
Victorian police meanwhile cover themselves in glory after issuing fines to a couple posting pics of their Easter holiday on facebook.Only problem it was Easter 2019.
So now our FB accounts are being watched. Ok. Enough. I'm in agreement with the restrictions but this is Big Brother stuff. Keep this kind of stuff up and I'll become an anarchist.
 
An article in The Economist (headline only here), brings in another element to the health effects indirectly to the virus :

E52B0B78-B8C6-4607-AC8A-E9051A137776.jpegAn article in The Economist (headline only here), brings in another element to the health effects indirectly to the virus :
 
More likely one of their facebook friends reported them.
Thats somewhat reassuring but on the other hand who needs friends like that! You'd think they'd check that it was a 'memory' etc.
 
An article in The Economist (headline only here), brings in another element to the health effects indirectly to the virus :

View attachment 214555An article in The Economist (headline only here), brings in another element to the health effects indirectly to the virus :


Yes I posted similar while back after hearing paramedics being interviewed in NYC. Paramedics stated that they were arriving o find that patient had just died from a heart attack or did so after they arrived, and that on interviewing the other present (normally relatives) that the victims in the main had had symptoms consistent with CV 19. The paramedic at the time stated that he did not know if the deaths were being counted as CV19 deaths but offered the opinion that they probably were not being recorded as CV 19 deaths.

In places like Italy local Mayors have indicated that those that died at home and not in the hospitals were also not being recorded as CV19 deaths in the official statistics.
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Yes. I assume we (employers who had registered) all got the SMS this morning.
 
That seems an unusual response if it’s what the police said. I think that the ACT police are more likely to issue warnings and fines as per this Canberra Times article :

“ Nearly 400 drivers were stopped by ACT police for carrying out non-essential travel during the Easter long weekend police.

While no fines were issued for breaching social distancing guidelines, officers were called to break up large gatherings of people in houses and parks across Canberra, along with businesses that were thought to still be operating, despite government restrictions.

An ACT police spokesman said warnings were issued to three men who were working on a car together outside a home in Forde.

Almost 50 drivers were told to turn around on highways leading out of Canberra after their travel was deemed non-essential, among them a driver towing a caravan into NSW.”

“We still saw many drivers on the roads unnecessarily, people attending large gatherings and people not practicing social distancing in places like the area around Lake Burley Griffin," Chief Police Officer Johnson said.”
They were very fixated on people going down the coast or into the reserves and main walking areas. While some police I am sure responded well I think police response is very patchy in the ACT.

When we had 4 young thugs smash our rumpus room sliding door (with me in the house), I got their car licence plate and we phoned up and reported the incident. No-one was interested in even coming out. A week later when we went into the police station to see if anything had been done about finding the car (I know probably stolen), the incident hadn’t even been logged! The guy I spoke to was pretty angry about it and phoned us later to tell us he had gone through the phone logs, found our call and raised an incident and we would be contacted if anything happened. So I guess it all depends who you get when you call.

The guy who was complaining felt the police couldn’t be bothered coming out to an ACT housing complex. What authorities report to Canberra Times and what happens at the ground level is often very different. We were talking to two people on our walk on Monday (at a very safe distance) and they said they had gone for a walk around Scrivener Dam the day before. It had been wall to wall people very close together and not a policeman in sight.
 
Thats somewhat reassuring but on the other hand who needs friends like that! You'd think they'd check that it was a 'memory' etc.
“Friends” is a bit of a misnomer really. I have very few “friends” on Facebook. They are all people I want to keep in close contact with and I often ignore requests. The kids have hundreds and hundreds of “friends”
 
Agree re the friends part on Facebook.
I have very few as well. Apart from a couple they are all friends in real time.
There are also degrees of friends. About 12 people on Facebook see all my posts . For general friends on Facebook I rarely posts. The only public ones I have are my profile shots and they go to private when I change them .
Covid in itself was a big topic but it is slowly easing off and having more family focused comments (albeit covid caused ) like tooth fairy, lessons , shopping and good locations .
 

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