General Coronavirus chit chat thread - non-travel specific

[Flashback]

I doubt that it Y will be dumped, but yes the spacing of seats will quite possibly be changed which will makes things more spacious. But yes at higher than Y prices.

Y tickets could be somewhat eye-watering if and when international flights are recommenced.

Already seeing that, at the moment if I want to travel to PER my only option is Qatar and that's about £1800 return in Y. I can normally get business ex-EU for a smidge more than that.

 

[p--and--t]

Although I just made myself a naughty but excellent bacon sandwich and it has improved the mood substantially

Sorry I must have missed something, which part was the naughty bit?

 

[Flashback]

Sorry I must have missed something, which part was the naughty bit?

That she made it rather than the butler!

 

[RooFlyer]

I some times wonder whether Darwin's Theory withstands scrutiny. After many millenniums on the earth, mankind is still littered with "defectives".

Not to mention deplorables

 

[get me outta here]

Well apparently people who watch Fox News are more likely to die of coronavirus due to the lies and obfuscations by them saying things like it’s no worse than a flu. That’s deplorable.

Not to mention deplorables

 

[p--and--t]

After several erroneous pronouncements by certain TV channels, presidents, tin hat brigades (and of course Karen from FakeBook) and others, WHO has put up a myth-busters site.

COVID-19 Mythbusters – World Health Organization

Highlighting some of the misinformation circulating on COVID-19

www.who.int

 

[drron]

Well apparently people who watch Fox News are more likely to die of coronavirus due to the lies and obfuscations by them saying things like it’s no worse than a flu. That’s deplorable.

Maybe because more people watch Fox News than any of the other channels might be a reason.
Though I think this is fake news seeing the great majority of corona deaths are occurring in cities and states that are predominantly Democrat voters.

 

[SOPOOR]

Strictly hypothetical
If you lived alone, didnt go anywhere for two weeks, and didn't have any corona symptoms,

Does that mean chances of you having corona is virtually zero?

 

[Flashback]

Strictly hypothetical
If you lived alone, didnt go anywhere for two weeks, and didn't have any corona symptoms,

Does that mean chances of you having corona is virtually zero?

That's the recommendation, yes; although there's still a slim chance it may be residing in an asymptomatic fashion.

 

[p--and--t]

Strictly hypothetical
If you lived alone, didnt go anywhere for two weeks, and didn't have any corona symptoms,

Does that mean chances of you having corona is virtually zero?

It would be low, but not quite zero. Vast majority of cases are shorter than that, However, there are some reported cases for longer than that.

 

[Quickstatus]

Does that mean chances of you having corona is virtually zero?

what does “virtually” mean?
Won’t be actually zero.
You could have caught it before the 2 weeks isolation. Or after....

Asymptomatic? . Isn’t that the whole point of SD and the app

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Strictly hypothetical
If you lived alone, didnt go anywhere for two weeks, and didn't have any corona symptoms,

Does that mean chances of you having corona is virtually zero?

No you may have Covid19 still. Some people have has Covid19 for much longer periods. However the point of the two weeks (14 days) is not for you to recover from Covid 19 should you have had it on day 1, but for you to not be a transmitter and infect people when you meet someone after 14 days.

At 14 days the consensus at present is that as long as you do not have a fever that even if you still have CV19 that your viral loads are such that you will not longer infect people.

This is why quarantine/isolation periods are set at 14 says.

Reportedly viral loads are greatest early on including when some people may be asymptomatic (or symptoms so slight that people do not notice them).

Positive tests can occur very late. The recent Victorian Teacher that caused the Primary School to be closed down this week is now believed to have contracted CV 19 on March 14.

Rather than the playground or staff room, it appears to be a Saturday night birthday party at the Eaglemont Cellars and Wine Bar, where Mr Campbell and his daughters are a popular, regular fixture with their rock'n'roll covers.


They each returned a positive test on (last)Friday, triggering the immediate involvement of government health and education officials.
"Basically they wanted to track all my movements from the past three to four weeks," Mr Campbell says. “It was pretty easy to do because basically, I hadn’t been anywhere. The only worry was the school.

Between performing his usual sets of Neil Diamond, Elvis, Buddy Holly and Elvis Presley hits, it is likely Mr Campbell and one of his daughters contracted the virus from English guests who’d just flown into Australia from Britain for the party.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison announced on March 15, the day after the party, that anyone arriving in Australia from overseas needed to self-quarantine for two weeks. It was not until 23 March that federal and state governments ordered the closure of pubs to stop the spread of the virus.

“On Saturday lunchtime, I got a call from them to say I had been released from isolation. They said you have got inactive or dead coronavirus cells up your nose. They have picked that up in the test and it has come back positive.
“Apparently, I was not contagious.”

Pub outbreak leaves primary school all shook up

The music teacher whose infection prompted the closure of Meadowglen Primary School was twice refused a test for coronavirus.

www.theage.com.au

A recent ACT positive test was also a case of someone with extremely low viral loads.

 

[get me outta here]

Also, the viewers are in the older cohort. Saying things like The pandemic is a hoax perpetrated by those who want to hurt Trump, or saying it’s no worse than the flu. Early action is important as we know, and one of the many issues that America let get away was perpetrated by two of their hosts.

i’m sure Fox News also thinks it’s “fake news“.

https://bfi.uchicago.edu/wp-content/uploads/BFI_WP_202044.pdf

Maybe because more people watch Fox News than any of the other channels might be a reason.
Though I think this is fake news seeing the great majority of corona deaths are occurring in cities and states that are predominantly Democrat voters.

 

[drron]

So a hit piece with an essay by the head of the WHO who made such wonderful statements such as there is no human to human spread and no need to close borders.Sorry you will have to do a lot better than that.
And you need to explain why there were so many deaths in NYC where the Mayor and Health chief were both encouraging mass events into March.

But let's drop this and get back to Australia.

 

[drron]

Though there have been people released from their 14 day quarantine,some with symptoms,who have not been tested but a day or 2 later test positive.
A hotel full of high risk people can be a perfect place to pick up the virus from door handles and lifts for example.

So again in South Australia they get good marks.They swab people on arrival and again 2-3 days before leaving quarantine.They had been caught by a couple of cases in people quarantined in SYD who tested positive on arrival back in SA.

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www.adelaidenow.com.au

 

[Quickstatus]

A hotel full of high risk people can be a perfect place to pick up the virus from door handles and lifts for example.

example of a hotel is a cruise ship

 

[get me outta here]

Here is the abstract from the report I posted just above :


“Abstract
We study the effects of news coverage of the novel coronavirus by the two most widely-viewed cable news shows in the United States — Hannity and Tucker Carlson Tonight, both on Fox News — on viewers’ behavior and downstream health outcomes. Carlson warned viewers about the threat posed by the coronavirus from early February, while Hannity originally dismissed the risks associated with the virus before gradually adjusting his position starting late February. We first validate these differences in content with independent coding of show transcripts. In line with the differences in content, we present novel survey evidence that Hannity’s viewers changed behavior in response to the virus later than other Fox News viewers, while Carlson’s viewers changed behavior earlier. We then turn to the effects on the pandemic itself, examining health outcomes across counties. First, we document that greater viewership of Hannity relative to Tucker Carlson Tonight is strongly associated with a greater number of COVID-19 cases and deaths in the early stages of the pandemic. The relationship is stable across an expansive set of robustness tests. To better identify the effect of differential viewership of the two shows, we employ a novel instrumental variable strategy exploiting variation in when shows are broadcast in relation to local sunset times. These estimates also show that greater exposure to Hannity relative to Tucker Carlson Tonight is associated with a greater number of county-level cases and deaths. Furthermore, the results suggest that in mid-March, after Hannity’s shift in tone, the diverging trajectories on COVID-19 cases begin to revert. We provide additional evidence consistent with misinformation being an important mechanism driving the effects in the data. While our findings cannot yet speak to long-term effects, they indicate that provision of misinformation in the early stages of a pandemic can have important consequences for how a disease ultimately affects the population”.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

A hotel full of high risk people can be a perfect place to pick up the virus from door handles and lifts for example.

Can be, but should not be for a quarantine hotel.

example of a hotel is a cruise ship

In quarantine hotels, if operated correctly, people are ( except when acting illegally) confined to their rooms. So cannot transmit or catch CV19 from doorknobs and lift buttons during the 14 days they are meant to be just in the one hotel room.

A lesson learnt from the Diamond Princess was fomite transmission from food trays, trolley and poorly trained crew. Hence why quarantine hotels in Australia deliver "take away" style food where nothing is re-used. Diamond Princess passengers were also allowed outside their cabins while in quarantine. Again not permitted in the quarantine hotels much to the angst of some of the quarantined.


I would also be most surprised if quarantine hotels were not having their common areas appropriately cleaned and disinfected on a regular schedule.

There is ample guidance on this for facility managers including on High Touch Point Cleaning Protocols. ie Guide to Cleaning for COVID-19 - HPC Solutions™

Even if someone is infected on entering a quarantine hotel (doubtful from the hotel surfaces, but possible from another person entering at the same time) they still have to undertake the 14 day quarantine.

Anyone arriving in a hotel quarantine room should also do what I do as soon as I return home which is to wash their hands.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

.They had been caught by a couple of cases in people quarantined in SYD who tested positive on arrival back in SA.

Caught would imply that they were still contagious, rather than just positive. Were they confirmed to still be contagious?

 

[RooFlyer]

Well apparently people who watch Fox News are more likely to die of coronavirus due to the lies and obfuscations by them saying things like it’s no worse than a flu. That’s deplorable.

i’m sure Fox News also thinks it’s “fake news“.

That looks like a bit of an obsession with Fox news. I watch/listen to the ABC; I've said so many times (although I watch less these days), even Fairfax (Nine) media. Then I criticise from a first hand perspective.

Do you ever watch the dreaded Fox News yourself, with all your criticisms, to judge for yourself? If you strayed into non-ABC territory, you might be able to judge what absolute self-serving tosh Media Watch (as but one example) serves up, week after week.