General COVID-19 Vaccine Discussion

[Lynda2475]

..and I have to have their dodgy vaccine as a booster because au is complicit in the delusion…..

What real world data do you have to show that Pfizer is a dodgy vaccine?

It has in fact been shown to be very effective at reducing serious illness, hospitalizations and deaths. If it were dodgy and didnt deliver benefit we would be seeing growing cases not declining.

 

[tgh]

We live in a world of personal realities and beliefs Lynda… you have yours and I have mine …
In this case..likely never the twain shall meet...

 

[Pushka]

We live in a world of personal realities and beliefs Lynda… you have yours and I have mine …
In this case..likely never the twain shall meet...

While I understand your thoughts, for health issues we have to look to the science and only consider fact based evidence. Our personal opinions while important to us as individuals, carry little weight when it comes to the reality of scientific research.

 

[MARTINE]

Nurse is charged with PRETENDING to give patients Covid vaccine

A nurse who works at a private medical centre in Perth has been arrested and charged after pretending to give patients the coronavirus vaccine.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I just read this Perth nurse was reported by a dr who saw she ‘administered’ vax to a friends son ….

 

[wandering_fred]

Thanks for highlighting @drron …I read that BMJ article just now and my blood ran cold.
The politicisation and $$ incentives in medicine in the US have much to answer for.

And the Australian politicians and bureaucrats that blindly follow them?
I know that is heresy not wandering
Fred

 

[VPS]

So just got this email from SA Health (which was sent to all have subscribe to Seniors emails)

Vaccine rollout As of Sunday 7 November, 2,289,946 COVID-19 vaccine doses have been delivered in South Australia and 36,707,411 COVID-19 vaccine doses had been administered in Australia. Vaccine facts 97.5% of the reported COVID-19 cases in NSW are in unvaccinated people (March to September 2021). COVID-19 vaccines were developed quickly due to years of research on related viruses, faster ways to manufacture, huge funding and multiple trials in parallel. Vaccines do not have late onset side effects, and COVID-19 vaccines are no different. COVID-19 vaccines are close to 90% effective in reducing symptoms and preventing hospitalisation from the Delta strain. Seat belts reduce the risk of serious injury or death by 50%, COVID-19 vaccines reduce your risk of serious illness or death by close to 90%. COVID-19 vaccines have been tested, reviewed and approved in exactly the same way as all other vaccines. Mobile, pop-up and walk in vaccination clinics SA Health has launched a new fleet of mobile COVID-19 vaccination vans across metropolitan and regional South Australia. These additional mobile vans will strengthen our outreach in pockets of the community that have lower vaccination rates. Mobile and pop-up clinics are visiting areas across metro and regional South Australia. Visit sahealth.sa.gov.au/covidvaccine to find a pop-up clinic near you. All SA Health vaccination clinics (with the exception of Limestone Coast Local Health Network) now offer walk-in appointments, making it easier to get vaccinated. For more information, visit sahealth.sa.gov.au/covidvaccine. Walk-in appointments are limited and you may need to wait. Priority will be given to people with existing bookings. The most convenient option is to book your preferred date and time online at https://covid-vaccine.healthdirect.gov.au/eligibility. Second dose Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immuniation (ATAGI) recommends that the same COVID-19 vaccine brand should be used for the two doses of the primary course of vaccination. However, as the supply of vaccines, particularly mRNA vaccines, is no longer constrained, ATAGI advises an alternative vaccine brand can be given if first dose recipients are unable to receive a second dose of the same brand or do not want to have a second dose of the same brand. If you had AstraZeneca for your first dose, please have your second dose 8 to 12 weeks after your first dose. If you do not wish to have another dose of AstraZeneca, you may have a Pfizer or Moderna vaccine at least 4-12 weeks after your first dose of AstraZeneca. Third dose of COVID-19 vaccine for people who are severely immunocompromised Currently, the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) recommend that people who are severely immunocompromised aged 12 and over receive a third dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. This is to increase the level of immunity for severely immunocompromised people to as close as possible to the general population. The Pfizer or Moderna COVID-19 vaccines are preferred for a third dose for people who are severely immunocompromised. The AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine can be used for the third dose for individuals who received AstraZeneca for their first two doses if there are no contraindications or precautions for use, or if a significant adverse reaction occurred after receiving the Pfizer or Moderna COVID-19 vaccines. The recommended interval for the third dose is 2 to 6 months after the second dose of vaccine. A minimum interval of 4 weeks may be considered in exceptional circumstances. People who have received a second dose more than 6 months ago should receive a third dose as soon as possible. Click here for more information. Booster vaccines The Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) has provisionally approved a booster dose of the Pfizer vaccine for individuals 18 years and older. The provisional approval means that individuals aged 18 years and older may receive a booster (third dose), at least six months after the completion of a COVID-19 vaccine primary series. This primary series can be of any of the COVID-19 vaccines registered for use in Australia, although data on the use of COMIRNATY as a booster with other COVID-19 vaccines is more limited. COVID-19 vaccine booster doses are recommended to maintain immunity against the virus. All people aged 18+ years who have had their second dose of a COVID-19 vaccine at least six months ago are eligible for a booster dose. Anyone can receive their booster dose at participating GPs, pharmacies, and Respiratory Clinics (online bookings open 8 November). From Wednesday 1 December, anyone due will be able to get their booster dose at SA Health vaccination clinics. SA Health vaccination clinics will continue to focus on delivering first and second dose vaccines to the community. COVID-Ready Plan South Australia’s COVID-Ready Plan outlines the safe easing of restrictions and how COVID-19 will be managed in South Australia. For more information visit www.covid-19.sa.gov.au/response​

COVID-19 vaccination program and vaccine FAQs Visit the SA Health Frequently Asked Questions for more information about COVID-19 vaccines and the rollout in South Australia: sahealth.sa.gov.au/covidvaccinefaqs Play your part in the fight against COVID-19 and roll up The vaccine is one of the most important tools to protect our community, however all need to continue to be COVID Safe: Practise good hygiene Practise physical distancing Stay home and get tested when sick Check in to venues and events using the COVID SAfe Check-In. Even if you are fully vaccinated against COVID-19, you should still have a COVID-19 test if you develop any symptoms, no matter how mild. The goal of vaccination is to stop you from getting very sick. It is still possible for you to catch COVID-19 and pass it on to others, even if you have received the vaccine. SA Health is your trusted source for information on the South Australian COVID-19 vaccination program. For up to date information, visit our website and follow us on Facebook or Twitter. The National Coronavirus Helpline is the front door for all vaccine enquiries for the community and is available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week on 1800 020 080.​

 

[Lynda2475]

We live in a world of personal realities and beliefs Lynda… you have yours and I have mine

And you could have had AZ if you preferred, you only needed to sign a waiver.

We are beyond trial data now, and need to look at real world performance of the vaccines since the main 3 (Pfizer, Moderna and AZ) have been in wide use internationally for 11 months which far exceeds the duration of any of the Covid Vaccines trials not to mention the demographics - we have data for age groups and cohorts such as pregnant women who were not included in any trial.

The real world performance doesnt suggest a Pfizer is dodgy, same cant be said when you look at the Chinese vaccines used in Indonesia where hundreds of fully vaccinated health workers died and those who survived needed to be boosted with MRNA vaccines.

YMMV but the majority of those vaccinated in Australia had Pfizer and lack of exponential growth of cases since NSW opened up does not point to Pfizer providing dodgy protection whatever your bias.

I've heard ABC have requested under freedom of information act for the government to provide the vaccine type for the breakthrough cases which have resulted in hospitalisation and/or deaths - that will be interesting reading.

 

[drron]

More work from Israel re the Pfizer vaccine. For the first 2 months after full vaccination those with breakthrough infections had lower viral numbers compared to the unvaccinated with infections. However that effect was considerably reduced at 3 months and disappeared after 6 months.A booster restored the effect of lower viral numbers.
The loss of protection against severe disease though declined at a slower rate. How long the booster will be effective for is still unknown.

The lower viral loads though would suggest transmission is less likely from vaccinated patients. Therefore if travelling OS before the 6 months are up it would be reasonable having an early booster particularly if travelling with family.

Viral loads of Delta-variant SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infections after vaccination and booster with BNT162b2

Findings from a study published in Nature Medicine suggest that although the initial effectiveness of the BNT162b2 (Pfizer-BioNTech) coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccine in reducing viral loads of Delta-variant (B.1.617.2) breakthrough infections (BTIs) was similar to its observed...

dgalerts.docguide.com

And a totally non related subject the WHO has given Emergency approval for India's Covaxin vaccine.

WHO issues emergency use listing for COVAXIN

The World Health Organization (WHO) has issued an emergency use listing (EUL) for COVAXIN (developed by Bharat Biotech) for the prevention of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)."COVAXIN was assessed under the WHO EUL procedure based on the review of data on quality, safety, efficacy, a risk...

dgalerts.docguide.com

 

[jrfsp]

More work from Israel re the Pfizer vaccine. For the first 2 months after full vaccination those with breakthrough infections had lower viral numbers compared to the unvaccinated with infections. However that effect was considerably reduced at 3 months and disappeared after 6 months.A booster restored the effect of lower viral numbers.
The loss of protection against severe disease though declined at a slower rate. How long the booster will be effective for is still unknown.

The lower viral loads though would suggest transmission is less likely from vaccinated patients. Therefore if travelling OS before the 6 months are up it would be reasonable having an early booster particularly if travelling with family.

Lets hope the booster lasts longer and its not needed every 6 or even 12 months, people will just stop getting it.

 

[jakeseven7]

Lets hope the booster lasts longer and its not needed every 6 or even 12 months, people will just stop getting it.

Why would you think that, flu vaccine rates in Aus are really high

 

[jakeseven7]

Interesting idea….

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Singapore will stop free treatment of unvaccinated COVID patients​

The Singaporean government will no longer cover the medical costs of people “unvaccinated by choice”, who account for the bulk of remaining new COVID-19 cases and hospitalisations in the city-state.

“Currently, unvaccinated persons make up a sizeable majority of those who require intensive inpatient care, and disproportionately contribute to the strain on our healthcare resources,” the Ministry of Health said in a statement.

Singapore will stop free treatment of unvaccinated COVID patients

Until now, the government has footed the bill for citizens, permanent residents or holders of a long-term work visa who become sick.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au

 

[Pushka]

I'm clearly not due for my booster. I've started getting 5G on my iPhone.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Interesting idea….

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Singapore will stop free treatment of unvaccinated COVID patients​

The Singaporean government will no longer cover the medical costs of people “unvaccinated by choice”, who account for the bulk of remaining new COVID-19 cases and hospitalisations in the city-state.

“Currently, unvaccinated persons make up a sizeable majority of those who require intensive inpatient care, and disproportionately contribute to the strain on our healthcare resources,” the Ministry of Health said in a statement.

Singapore will stop free treatment of unvaccinated COVID patients

Until now, the government has footed the bill for citizens, permanent residents or holders of a long-term work visa who become sick.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au

It’s an interesting take but it’s going to adversely affect the poor and marginalized unvaccinated. Those with private health insurance through employment which is about 2/3rds of Singapore will continue to be covered through their insurance.

Makes good headlines though but doesn’t stack up as equitable health policy.

 

[N860CR]

It’s an interesting take but it’s going to adversely affect the poor and marginalized unvaccinated. Those with private health insurance through employment which is about 2/3rds of Singapore will continue to be covered through their insurance.

Makes good headlines though but doesn’t stack up as equitable health policy.

Slippery slope… what’s next, no hospital treatment if you’re drunk and take a fall? No treatment for smoking related health issues? This is just the Singaporeans being Singaporean. With the vaccination rate in that country, the COVID related strain on the health system would be minimal.

 

[NM]

It’s an interesting take but it’s going to adversely affect the poor and marginalized unvaccinated. Those with private health insurance through employment which is about 2/3rds of Singapore will continue to be covered through their insurance.

Makes good headlines though but doesn’t stack up as equitable health policy.

I wonder how long insurance companies will take to add a question on their application forms asking about vaccination status similar to they way they often ask about smoking status? There seems to be clear correlation between smoking status and health outcomes. And now we also know there is a clear correlation between Covid-19 vaccination status and health outcomes. So I expect it is a matter of time before the insurance companies (Health Insurance, Life Insurance, Income Protection Insurance etc.) like product availability and pricing to factors such as vaccination status.

 

[Lynda2475]

So some were excited that the Chinese-made Sinopharm was added as a recognised vaccine for travel to Australia BUT unlike other recognized vaccines it comes with the caveat that it is only recognized if you are under 60, due to poor performance internationally especially in older cohort.

Sinopharm caveat leaves some Aussies locked out - ABC listen

One of the conditions of travelling quarantine free to Australia is that you have to have had two doses of a COVID vaccine that's accepted by our medical regulator.

www.abc.net.au

 

[drron]

So some were excited that the Chinese-made Sinopharm was added as a recognised vaccine for travel to Australia BUT unlike other recognized vaccines it comes with the caveat that it is only recognized if you are under 60, due to poor performance internationally especially in older cohort.

Sinopharm caveat leaves some Aussies locked out - ABC listen

One of the conditions of travelling quarantine free to Australia is that you have to have had two doses of a COVID vaccine that's accepted by our medical regulator.

www.abc.net.au

Just who was excited.I just post information as to recognition by various regulatory agents as to vaccine approvals.The only poster on here I can remember wanting Sinopharm recognised was for their partner who I am sure is under 60.

 

[MelMel]

I got asked for my Vaccination certificate for the first time today (Nespresso store Melbourne) I’m guessing Nespresso have decided to do this themselves as it’s not yet compulsory

 

[Flashback]

To give an idea of how this works internationally...

• UK, never asked
• Guinea, at the border and sometimes when trying to enter the hotel
• Liberia, at the border and that's it
• Latvia, asked once when out but every time arriving at hotels
• Lithuania, pretty much everywhere we went including normal shops etc.
• Poland, at the border and that's been it

 

[drron]

Another report of the Israeli study on breakthrough infections in fully vaccinated patients. Certainly sufficient numbers as they examined the records of 4.7 million fully vaccinated Israelis. Impressive as the population of Israel is ~ 8.8 million.
Breakthrough infections basically started to rise 2-3 months after the second jab and steeply rise after 6 months.

Israeli Study Shows How COVID-19 Immunity Wanes over Time

The winter holidays are approaching, and among the many things to be grateful for this year is that nearly 200 million Americans are fully vaccinated for COVID-19. That will make it safer to spend …

directorsblog.nih.gov

Note also the last line of the article on booster shots and flu vaccines.

The CDC guidelines state that it’s perfectly OK to get your COVID-19 and flu shots at the same time.