General COVID-19 Vaccine Discussion

[Lynda2475]

As others have said limit is on advertising but you will know which one your given at the appointment.

Unlike the USA prescription drug advertising and branded vaccine advertising is not usual here. No one should be surprised, where as in USA every 2nd or 3rd advert of FTA is for prescription drugs.

It wouldn't be hard to work it out anyway. If your being vaccinated right now it's Pfizer as we don't have any Oxford AZ yet. And once AZ is here if you get a jab at a pharmac_ or gp clinic it will be AZ, if at hospital (especially the ones being used right now - RPA, Westmeath or Liverpool) it will likely continue to be Pfizer.

 

[Must...Fly!]

I don't think it will be that easy as the rollout gains pace @Lynda2475

Though part of me hopes it will be as I still have a preference for the Oxford vaccine. Will happily have either that will be offered in Australia.

 

[drron]

Rich countries getting most of vaccine supply this year.


Though some of them giving back.



Confidence in vaccine falling.


Though in some countries reasonable support for compulsory vaccination.

 

[Lynda2475]

I don't think it will be that easy as the rollout gains pace @Lynda2475

Though part of me hopes it will be as I still have a preference for the Oxford vaccine. Will happily have either that will be offered in Australia.

It will get harder to pinpoint Pfizer going forward, but should be simple to guarantee oxford one by booking in at a venue that wont have the refrigeration capabilities for Pfizer such as a pharmac_ or local GP who doesent usally do specialist vaccinations. Oxford supply will be plentiful as made locally and doesnt need special facilities. It will be the default offering for most people (unless you are in phaze 1).

My GP is part of a practice that also specialises in travel medicine, one of a handful of places authorised to give yellow fever. They had special fridges put that go to -80° as they are hoping to administer both vaccines and choose what is best based on patient history. But doubtful most GPs coupd afford that investment.

 

[Pushka]

The Vaccination rate (in SA anyway) does not include those vaccinated through the Commonwealth Government in their Aged care and Disability services.

 

[Lynda2475]

I think that is the same for all the state numbers being shown on Covid Live (as they are taking from state daily pressers).

At the bottom of this article there are some aggregate numbers but no state by state breakdown.

"So far more than 4000 residents across 70 aged care facilities been vaccinated, and a further 20 homes were expected to get vaccines on Thursday. Across the country more than 17,500 people have had their first dose of the Pfizer vaccine"

Healthcare Australia boss stood down over COVID-19 vaccine bungle

Healthcare Australia’s boss has stepped aside after an investigation found the company misled the government over a doctor who bungled aged care vaccinations.

www.smh.com.au

 

[OZDUCK]

Another vaccine now looks good to go. But as seems to be 'normal' the quantity available is less than initially claimed. There is a fairly detailed analysis of its effectiveness and the trials that have occurred. It seems to be slightly less effective than the Pfizer & Moderna vaccines but effective against the South African variant. There are also less reports of any side effects. Plus its big advantages are that it requires only one jab and does not require special storage.

Johnson & Johnson’s Vaccine Works Well and May Curb Virus Spread (Published 2021)

F.D.A. studies show the shot strongly protects against severe illness and may reduce spread of the virus. But the drugmaker has fallen short of initial production goals.

www.nytimes.com

 

[lovetravellingoz]

The Vaccination rate (in SA anyway) does not include those vaccinated through the Commonwealth Government in their Aged care and Disability services.

I think with most states it is separate to what the Feds are doing. 4715 Federal aged care residents according to Covidlive (Again take all figures with a grain of salt except perhaps the Fed Aged Care one)..

Also no sign at all of the extra doses that Vic supposedly got by "whinging" to have been given more doses than NSW. Indeed Vic is well down pro-rata wise. Though I would be confident that things will even out eventually with fair distribution to all..

Qld looks a light on. I don't know why.
NSW sitting so far on 50% of the non-Fed doses.


Adding up the states and 4715 gives 16,350.

 

[Pushka]

I think that is the same for all the state numbers being shown on Covid Live (as they are taking from state daily pressers).

I think with most states it is separate to what the Feds are doing. 4715 Federal aged care residents according to Covidlive (Again take all figures with a grain of salt except perhaps the Fed Aged Care one)..

That's good, I didn't know that until I read it just now on SA FB. So the rate of vaccination is starting to ramp up. Be interested to know where in Australia the Federal vaccinations are working, sadly we know they have been in Qld.

 

[Lynda2475]

Of course NSW should have highest numbers so far (and will at the end of program too) - doesnt prove Vic didnt get extra doses (which they did over their original federal allocation), just they havent used them and arent moving at same rate (adjusted for population).

NsW started roll out a day before the other states (albeit only a handful given first day), have the largest population and largest HQ program (more than double size of any other state based on weekly cap arrivals, plus freight and airline crew). NSW started planning roll out really early, the 3 hospitals are in 3 different health districts, the decentralised health model is more efficient. One of the findings from why Vic 2nd wave wasnt efficiently nipped in the bud early was because Victoria uses a less efficient centralised health model with few staff per 100 people.

 

[drron]

If you have Covid it does appear that you might only need 1 jab of vaccine as it stimulates much higher antibody production.Trade off is the side effects are more frequent.

Is One Vaccine Dose Enough After COVID-19 Infection?

For the millions of Americans now eligible to receive the Pfizer or Moderna COVID-19 vaccines, it’s recommended that everyone get two shots. The first dose of these mRNA vaccines trains the immune …

directorsblog.nih.gov

Up to 11 vaccines available globally and a few more coming on line.

Welcome to Precision Vaccinations News

Precision Vaccinations News publishes vaccine news patients can trust to make informed immunization decisions in partnership with doctors, nurses, and pharmacists.

www.coronavirustoday.com

 

[JessicaTam]

Confidence in vaccine falling.

Except that is a comparison of August with October last year, before the roll-out. Is there anything more recent now that vaccinations have started?

 

[Lynda2475]

I was just looking at the calculator on ABC news site which has 5 groups, their group 2 (seems to be what some call 1b), anyway being an adult under 50 with no existing health conditions, it tells meim in group 4 and will be offered a vaccine in September. So unless there is spare pfizer no way to be fully vaccinated by October given the recommended gap between doses of Oxford AZ is 12 weeks, it would be December.

So even if borders open before end of the year because I'm not old I won't be able to travel, yet people who have no need or interest will.

 

[Toula92122]

Have to say I'm finding the pace of the roll out frustratingly slow. I'm group 3 and the ABC site says late May to late June. However if it continues to slip I might just take myself back to the US where my group is not that far off getting called up.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I was just looking at the calculator on ABC news site which has 5 groups, their group 2 (seems to be what some call 1b), anyway being an adult under 50 with no existing health conditions, it tells meim in group 4 and will be offered a vaccine in September. So unless there is spare pfizer no way to be fully vaccinated by October given the recommended gap between doses of Oxford AZ is 12 weeks, it would be December.

So even if borders open before end of the year because I'm not old I won't be able to travel, yet people who have no need or interest will.

There is some conflicting information around timings out there. The health.gov(.au) website indicates that 2b ‘balance of the population’ excluding those under 16 will start rollout mid 2021.

 

[DC3]

Have to say I'm finding the pace of the roll out frustratingly slow. I'm group 3 and the ABC site says late May to late June. However if it continues to slip I might just take myself back to the US where my group is not that far off getting called up.

I was thinking a similar thing about the rate of delivery/roll-out. I had thought that the Oz government was expecting 1.9 million doses of Pfizer to arrive in February, and the same again in March, as part of the (now) 20 (?) million Pfizer doses?

I must have got that part wrong as I understand only a few hundred thousand have arrived in February

 

[drron]

I was just looking at the calculator on ABC news site which has 5 groups, their group 2 (seems to be what some call 1b), anyway being an adult under 50 with no existing health conditions, it tells meim in group 4 and will be offered a vaccine in September. So unless there is spare pfizer no way to be fully vaccinated by October given the recommended gap between doses of Oxford AZ is 12 weeks, it would be December.

So even if borders open before end of the year because I'm not old I won't be able to travel, yet people who have no need or interest will.

Though the real world results with the AZ vaccine in the UK and Scotland shows significant effects on transmission and hospitalisations after the first dose.When first planned it was to be a one dose vaccine as one of the scenarios.
So I remain more optimistic especially as in older adults there is less risk of side effects with the AZ vaccine.

 

[OATEK]

I was just looking at the calculator on ABC news site which has 5 groups, their group 2 (seems to be what some call 1b), anyway being an adult under 50 with no existing health conditions, it tells meim in group 4 and will be offered a vaccine in September. So unless there is spare pfizer no way to be fully vaccinated by October given the recommended gap between doses of Oxford AZ is 12 weeks, it would be December.

So even if borders open before end of the year because I'm not old I won't be able to travel, yet people who have no need or interest will.

And some who have a great deal of interest in travel for family reunion and are in more vulnerable categories will be able - but any attempt to allocate vaccines based on who wants to travel rather than who needs to be kept safe will itself not fly.

 

[Lynda2475]

Though the real world results with the AZ vaccine in the UK and Scotland shows significant effects on transmission and hospitalisations after the first dose.When first planned it was to be a one dose vaccine as one of the scenarios.
So I remain more optimistic especially as in older adults there is less risk of side effects with the AZ vaccine.

No doubt there is benefit from first shot, however i would expect that to quality for a vaccine passport you will have had to received both recommended doses, the first shot alone is unlikely to allow one to be able to travel internationally wnd return without HQ, which is what i was raising.

So someone getting Pfizer will have both doses within a month, but anyone getting AZ has a 12 week wait to be considered fully vaccinated. Since the people most likely to get AZ are in groups 3, 4 and 5 - we have the longer vaccination journey and will be last to be able to get vaccine passports.

Wh8ch means i cant plan any international travel before 2022, but an oldie who gets pfizer may beable to travel tnis Oct 9r Nov (if Qantas gets it way).

 

[MEL_Traveller]

No doubt there is benefit from first shot, however i would expect that to quality for a vaccine passport you will have had to received both recommended doses, the first shot alone is unlikely to allow one to be able to travel internationally wnd return without HQ, which is what i was raising.

So someone getting Pfizer will have both doses within a month, but anyone getting AZ has a 12 week wait to be considered fully vaccinated. Since the people most likely to get AZ are in groups 3, 4 and 5 - we have the longer vaccination journey and will be last to be able to get vaccine passports.

Wh8ch means i cant plan any international travel before 2022, but an oldie who gets pfizer may beable to travel tnis Oct 9r Nov (if Qantas gets it way).

*if* phase 2b (under 50) starts from july, and if we can simply pop in to a pharmac_ or GP to have it, it might be a ‘first come, first served’. That could potentially mean 2 x vaccination for someone going in early by early October.

Will be interesting to see how quarantine is affected.

As for ‘the oldies’... there are parents and grandparents out there looking to travel!