General COVID-19 Vaccine Discussion

[drron]

My biggest concern with the maladministration of the doses is the impact it has on public confidence in the program. We all have a vested interest in ensuring the vaccination program is as successful as it possibly can be. This cannot be a positive to the public perception of the program.

Exactly.With all the instant experts calling this a disaster and heads to roll Joe Public is even less likely to front up.

When in a medical sense this is not the disaster that it is being made out to be.
From our CMO.

Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly said in the early clinical trials of the Pfizer and BioNTech vaccine, experiments were conducted with different doses, including four times higher than what was eventually prescribed.

Doctor who gave incorrect dose of Pfizer vaccine to elderly patients did not complete training

A doctor who incorrectly gave two elderly people in a Queensland aged care home a "higher than the recommended dose" of the COVID-19 Pfizer vaccine, did not complete the required vaccination training, Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt says.

www.abc.net.au

So unlikely their will be any major clinical problems as in the Phase 1 trials that dose was not associated with more side effects.

Not though does it mean this should be swept under the carpet.The doctor involved should not be part of the program at all.Unfortunately I suspect it might be an older retired doctor who has returned to help out.Never thought this was a good idea unless very recently retired.Practical skills are quickly lost.

 

[Pushka]

There's no coverup around the nurse reporting the maladministration, the doctor being stood down nor the male patient being admitted to hospital.

I, too, look forward to more details coming into the public domain.

I just hope that there is another big story and nothing to do with Covid and the media moves on to keep the vaccination on track and that all the medicoes involved get the act together. Apparently happened in Singapore three weeks ago.

 

[Lynda2475]

What happens if we get a larger dose of the COVID vaccine? Here's what the science tells us so far

Two aged care residents have been given a "higher than recommended dose" of the COVID-19 Pfizer vaccine. But is there any danger in getting a higher dose? What does the science tell us?

www.abc.net.au

 

[dajop]

What happens if we get a larger dose of the COVID vaccine? Here's what the science tells us so far

Two aged care residents have been given a "higher than recommended dose" of the COVID-19 Pfizer vaccine. But is there any danger in getting a higher dose? What does the science tell us?

www.abc.net.au

Defund the ABC now! How dare they publish a relatively balanced report onto the internet!

Taking the sarcasm hat off, thanks for sharing, it's good to see articles like this make there way out there, it might help somewhat.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

 

[Princess Fiona]

I am not in the medical field but surely this this is a human stuff up. I do not mean to over simplify the matter but what additional training is required for a doctor to give a Covid injection or any other injection The mechanics are basically the same measure out the dosage, get it checked and stick it in the patient - job done. I would like to think that doctors, nurses, etc. cover off this subject as part of their medical training.

I broadly agree with this.
No idea of the circumstances but where humans are involved errors can and will be made.
I sincerely hope this doesn’t derail the vaccination program and public confidence in it.
IME the nursing training in Medicine administration is much more robust and thorough than anything I ever had during my training or since then.

A 10 fold dosing error with Morphine didn’t get anywhere near the publicity of the Covid one but had much more tragic consequences.

WA mother wakes from coma to find baby was stillborn after hospital in Bunbury gave her 10 times prescribed morphine dose

 

[Pushka]

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What do you think about the rate of vaccinations? Snails pace in SA I reckon.

 

[RooFlyer]

I am not in the medical field but surely this this is a human stuff up. I do not mean to over simplify the matter but what additional training is required for a doctor to give a Covid injection or any other injection The mechanics are basically the same measure out the dosage, get it checked and stick it in the patient - job done. I would like to think that doctors, nurses, etc. cover off this subject as part of their medical training.

I broadly agree, but the twist with the Pfizer vaccine seems to be the multi-dose vials, rather than the more conventional (I think) single dose vials.

Here is Tas, its being reported that there is a special syringe that extracts an exact dose from the vial, but these are in short supply and this state at least has none, so the people administrating the vaccine need to extract a single done with a regular type syringe. The administrator of the State program here said on the radio today that "they are getting really good and getting exactly the right amount, so we get the full 6 (I think she said) doses from each vial".

@Princess Fiona does that seem right? Have you heard of a shortage of the 'exact dose' syringes?

If this is the case in QLD too, then its easy to see how the QLD doctor's mistake came about.

What do you think about the rate of vaccinations? Snails pace in SA I reckon.

The same administrator I quoted above has said multiple times that she is proud of the "slow and steady" rate of vaccination here in Tas. I guess there really isn't a great rush, but there's slow and there's get it done.

 

[Lynda2475]

It was widely reported last week that no where in Australia has the special syringes, which is why they expect wastage of 1/6 of most vials.

 

[tgh]

I regularly pull the correct dose out of a bottle with a small syringe; I have a vested interest ($$$) in not wasting the stuff…..
If a dopey old geriatric like me can do it, why can't a bright ,bushy tailed, intelligent ( your adjective) medical person do it…..

 

[jakeseven7]

Queensland has now administered a thousand doses of the vaccine. That's a total of 7 people immunised.

Ooops sorry everyone love Queensland.

 

[serfty]

No idea of the circumstances but where humans are involved errors can and will be made.

I saw comment the Doctor had dosed the patients each with almost the full content of a phial rather than measuring to get multiple doses. An attending nurse noticed and stopped the doctor.

If that is true then it is a case of failing to RTFM or remember it.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

What do you think about the rate of vaccinations? Snails pace in SA I reckon.

I don't have any specific knowledge.

However we do know that:

• the logistics of this vaccine are challenging
• that here in Australia quick distribution is not the life and death situation that it is in places like the USA and the UK
• that the Pfizer vaccine is in limited supply

So to start slow, test the the distribution and deployment processes by them not being at full load, so that we find the things that need improving before accelerating makes a lot of sense to me.

 

[RooFlyer]

There's no coverup around the nurse reporting the maladministration, the doctor being stood down nor the male patient being admitted to hospital.

I, too, look forward to more details coming into the public domain.

Indeed. I reviewed the media to date and there was no mention by the QLD Premier of a ‘cover up’, merely a delay ( unspecified, but some hours??).

 

[Lynda2475]

I thought the delay was in Feds telling Anna & CHO, not in the nurse reporting to employer or employer reporting feds.

 

[tgh]

It seems the source of an offered Covid vaccine will not/can not be disclosed.
TGA has banned disclosure by providers with heavy fines for non compliance.

I think that sucks….

 

[Pushka]

It seems the source of an offered Covid vaccine will not/can not be disclosed.
TGA has banned disclosure by providers with heavy fines for non compliance.

I think that sucks….

The issue is that providers can’t ADVERTISE which vaccine is being offered. They will, of course, disclose which one you are receiving when the vaccination is happening. And the name will appear on your vaccination record.

 

[tgh]

The cm article says :

The (TGA) guidelines bar them from revealing "the trade name and/or active ingredient of the specific vaccine or other information that might enable consumers to identify the particular vaccine"

The mind boggles….

 

[Must...Fly!]

The cm article says :

The (TGA) guidelines bar them from revealing "the trade name and/or active ingredient of the specific vaccine or other information that might enable consumers to identify the particular vaccine"

The mind boggles….

Link the article.

It's to do with advertising only. Companies/surgeries/organisations can't say "Come and get your Pfizer BioNtech!". They have to say "come and get your covid-19 vaccination."

You will be well aware of which vaccination you receive and it will go on your national immunisation record.

The level of misinformation out there is extreme.

 

[drron]

If you want the official government advice on the Pfizer vaccine you can go here. -

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And press the word here.