General COVID-19 Vaccine Discussion

[MEL_Traveller]

In a normal day we wouldn’t hear of any. Because no one really bothers reporting it in the media. Other than AZ times no one cares. Rare doesn’t say much to me - what I’ve got is called a rare disease, APS, but niece and next door neighbour both have it.

‘We’ may not hear about it, but the medical profession must have stats if they are able to say it is ‘extremely rare’.

Without a benchmark either it looks like they haven’t bothered to look up the stats, or they are covering something up. Either way doesn’t look particularly good for building public confidence.

 

[jakeseven7]

But the first variant vaccine - against the SA variant - has begun trials.

NIH clinical trial evaluating Moderna COVID-19 variant vaccine begins

Early-stage trial to evaluate safety and immunogenicity.

www.nih.gov

Yup good news.

But with so many people (and animals) with it the virus is going to mutate faster than we can develop boosters / new vaccines.

Really we need a universal coronavirus vaccine...

 

[Pushka]

‘We’ may not hear about it, but the medical profession must have stats if they are able to say it is ‘extremely rare’.

Without a benchmark either it looks like they haven’t bothered to look up the stats, or they are covering something up. Either way doesn’t look particularly good for building public confidence.

The issue is that strokes for instance, many not be checked for true cause. In my mum’s case she just had ‘a stroke’ and died. No autopsy. No investigation as to why she had a stroke. Maybe she had this type of clot? And she would not be unique.

 

[Princess Fiona]

‘We’ may not hear about it, but the medical profession must have stats if they are able to say it is ‘extremely rare’.

Without a benchmark either it looks like they haven’t bothered to look up the stats, or they are covering something up. Either way doesn’t look particularly good for building public confidence.

The TGA has already published these stats. In Australia about 50 people per day are diagnosed with venous thromboembolism (VTE)

TGA

COVID-19 disease is a significant risk factor in itself for the development of VTE and this risk increases further with severe disease.

Get immunized folks.

 

[oz_mark]

There's an update from the TGA coming soon.

 

[Pushka]

The TGA has already published these stats. In Australia about 50 people per day are diagnosed with venous thromboembolism (VTE)

TGA

COVID-19 disease is a significant risk factor in itself for the development of VTE and this risk increases further with severe disease.

Get immunized folks.

Is there a difference between VTE and DVT?

And does the vaccine operate differently than the virus? ie if the vaccine produces this clot issue for a small number of people then does that likewise put them at greater risk if they developed Covid?

While agreeing that supplies (or possibly, logistics) are problematic, the campaign that the Feds and States are running has become counter productive. ie there is no emergency in Australia so it's go slow go safe. I've seen in many discussion forums that this clot risk, plus the fact that there is really no community spread in Aus, then people are rationalising saying there's no covid here so why get the vaccination at all as it could give you a clot. It seems people are blind to the fact that Australia has to put its grown up pants on one day, and have international travel resume in some capacity. They seem blind to that fact.

TGA recommends no change. Take up the vaccine.

 

[Must...Fly!]

One of the more interesting ideas of data collection and viral surveillance was to get volunteers to donate small amounts of blood on a monthly basis worldwide and then look for antibodies. Pretty interesting concept and you can see how it would be beneficial once (hopefully) the vaccines have most of the COVID threat behind us.

I note the CDC in the USA has said vaccinated people can travel free and wide within the US, adhering to the same prevention methods as others such as regular hand washing, sanitising and mask wearing. A small sign that we are moving forward, from a travel perspective.

 

[jakeseven7]

This AZ vaccine has become so politicised (more internationally than here) that I now hold grave fears for its future.

Praying for another news story to surface like another boat or three getting stuck in canal to get the rabid media from undermining it anymore.

We all better hope it rides out these minor speed bumps or I’ll tell you right know for free we will all be locked up until 2025 probably!

 

[ethernet]

Here is one analysis

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/prac-recommendation/signal-assessment-report-embolic-thrombotic-events-smq-covid-19-vaccine-chadox1-s-recombinant-covid_en.pdf

The TGA mouthpiece has to rebut Germany France and others. I heard them say there was no link, but the Germans got the blood of those who recovered and were able to duplicate the reaction, and isolate the factor. Yes, a PCR test is on the way.

Secondly Australia does NOT have an adverse vaccine compensation scheme - other countries do. If the odds are one in a million, potentially 18 or so pull the short straw. I believe the AZ booster has higher odds of causing clots.

Thinking about it, to score the risk, having had surgery or hospitalization is a bit of a flag it seems.
But if you had your yearly common flu shot for years, never floored by colds etc, I would guess you would be rare. It would be nice to know their potassium and Iodine levels in their blood, as covid impacts these.

 

[Anna]

CHOs and politicians are going to face a credibility problem IMO. They've all had Pfizer, but they want everyone else to have AZ which is increasingly seeming like a second class vaccine with associated risks that Pfizer doesn't have. Easy for them to tell everyone else to get the AZ shot when they don't personally need to.

 

[dajop]

CHOs and politicians are going to face a credibility problem IMO. They've all had Pfizer,

Gladys Berejiklian receives first dose of coronavirus jab as AstraZeneca rollout starts in NSW

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian, Health Minister Brad Hazzard and Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant have received their first AstraZeneca COVID-19 jab.

www.sbs.com.au

AstraZeneca vaccine officially launched in Australia

Minister for Health Greg Hunt has officially launched the AstraZeneca vaccine in Australia, signalling the ...

www.9news.com.au

 

[Pushka]

Gladys Berejiklian receives first dose of coronavirus jab as AstraZeneca rollout starts in NSW

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian, Health Minister Brad Hazzard and Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant have received their first AstraZeneca COVID-19 jab.

www.sbs.com.au

AstraZeneca vaccine officially launched in Australia

Minister for Health Greg Hunt has officially launched the AstraZeneca vaccine in Australia, signalling the ...

www.9news.com.au

Well, I like both of those. But they are the only two who haven’t gone Pfizer. Has Andrews been vaccinated yet? Our three amigos went Pfizer.

 

[OZDUCK]

Well, I like both of those. But they are the only two who haven’t gone Pfizer. Has Andrews been vaccinated yet? Our three amigos went Pfizer.

As I have mentioned previously, at least up until a couple of days ago anyway, the Wa Premier & Health Minister have not been vaccinated with any vaccine. They said that they were waiting until supplies of vaccine were ramped up.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Well, I like both of those. But they are the only two who haven’t gone Pfizer. Has Andrews been vaccinated yet? Our three amigos went Pfizer.

There has been no vaccine jab reported for Vic, Qld or WA Premiers yet. Maybe not NT, ACT or Tas leaders either?!?! So presumably none have had it yet.

 

[dajop]

There has been no vaccine jab reported for Vic, Qld or WA Premiers yet. Maybe not NT, ACT or Tas leaders either?!?! So presumably none have had it yet.

Probably just as well Dan Andrews didn’t get vaccinated as no doubt there would be media stories about the vaccine causing people to slip down stairs . (OK, I’m not being serious but it isn’t beyond the realm of possibility)).

 

[Must...Fly!]

CHOs and politicians are going to face a credibility problem IMO. They've all had Pfizer, but they want everyone else to have AZ which is increasingly seeming like a second class vaccine with associated risks that Pfizer doesn't have. Easy for them to tell everyone else to get the AZ shot when they don't personally need to.

I'd disagree that it's a second class vaccine.

 

[Pushka]

I'd disagree that it's a second class vaccine.

I wouldn’t say second class but there seem more issues around efficacy.

But it’s the public sentiment that counts. And there has been some erosion of trust in a vaccination program that hasn’t exactly started well. And I think it’s a salient point of the number of prominent pollies who were vaccinated with Pfizer when at the time, it was only 1a being vaccinated.

 

[serfty]

I'll take any.

Here's a BBC video; it is from January and more recent research shows AZ efficacy with a 12 week gap between doses is just over 80%:

Why you should definitely wait three months between AstraZeneca jabs

Waiting longer than six weeks between the first and second dose of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine results in a higher efficacy rate, according to experts.

www.abc.net.au

 

[jakeseven7]

I wouldn’t say second class but there seem more issues around efficacy.

But it’s the public sentiment that counts. And there has been some erosion of trust in a vaccination program that hasn’t exactly started well. And I think it’s a salient point of the number of prominent pollies who were vaccinated with Pfizer when at the time, it was only 1a being vaccinated.

Efficacy?! All we should be caring about is how much severe illness the vaccines prevent and both AZ and Pfizer are the same here - they are both excellent options.

People need to calm down, stop making mountains out of ant hills. Honestly you would think we were some half educated back water by the absolute rubbish that comes out of peoples mouths, the media. Why is no one actually reading the facts.

 

[dajop]

Honestly you would think we were some half educated back water

Or a member of the EU