General COVID-19 Vaccine Discussion

[VPS]

No idea if this is true but I know some of these are in apples.

 

[TheRealTMA]

No idea if this is true but I know some of these are in apples.

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Ah, so that's why an apple a day keeps the doctor away!

Chemical Composition of fruits incl Plums, Apples, Alcoholic beverages...

Antivaxers don't accept the H2O is a chemical either. It's important to understand the difference between one part per million and one part per billion!

 

[drron]

Well this article is certainly saying that boosters will be required if you have had Pfizer at the recommended 3 week interval.

Comparison of two highly-effective mRNA vaccines for COVID-19 during periods of Alpha and Delta variant prevalence

Although clinical trials and real-world studies have affirmed the effectiveness and safety of the FDA-authorized COVID-19 vaccines, reports of breakthrough infections and persistent emergence of new variants highlight the need to vigilantly monitor the effectiveness of these vaccines. Here we...

www.medrxiv.org

"However, in July, the effectiveness against infection was considerably lower for mRNA-1273 (76%, 95% CI: 58-87%) with an even more pronounced reduction in effectiveness for BNT162b2 (42%, 95% CI: 13-62%). Notably, the Delta variant prevalence in Minnesota increased from 0.7% in May to over 70% in July whereas the Alpha variant prevalence decreased from 85% to 13% over the same time period."
This study was from the Mayo clinic.
The real world experience in the UK and Canada that the ideal time between Pfizer jabs was longer than 3 weeks.The only "evidencr" for 3 weeks is the Phase 3 trials which of course did not use other time periods.

 

[louie-m]

The real world experience in the UK and Canada that the ideal time between Pfizer jabs was longer than 3 weeks.The only "evidence" for 3 weeks is the Phase 3 trials which of course did not use other time periods.

I do find it surprising that this is something that seems to have been ignored over here. I know, from what I have read of experience overseas, that if had had Pfizer, I would have left it longer than three weeks between doses. Not that Pfizer will be too upset to find that booster doses of their vaccines will be required ASAP...

 

[jakeseven7]

I do find it surprising that this is something that seems to have been ignored over here. I know, from what I have read of experience overseas, that if had had Pfizer, I would have left it longer than three weeks between doses. Not that Pfizer will be too upset to find that booster doses of their vaccines will be required ASAP...

Canada did it by mistake because they ran out of vaccines so will be an interesting one to watch.

 

[ethernet]

I have forgotten the History behind AZ having its booster shot timeframe extended, but believe the Brits started it when OR determined this saves lives. I am sure Canada is using numbers from elsewhere in addition to the run out.
One aspect of the vaccination rollout is that it takes roughly 3 weeks from first shot to gain moderate protection, and another 3 wees after the booster to reach projected efficacy, which may be a lot less in the case of Delta.
I am pretty certain most getting their jab today, some will have a jab party next week, because they are now immunized, see. There is nothing on the TV saying there is a delay factor.

 

[serfty]

The messaging is to get fully vaxxed asap.

Publishing that may slow people down.

It appears a similar situation with Pfizer -see my earlier post in this thread.

So, the implication is that having 8 to 12 weeks between Pfizer doses provides for better (88%) longer term symptomatic protection than having just 3 to 4 weeks between doses (41%).

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[jakeseven7]

I do find it surprising that this is something that seems to have been ignored over here. I know, from what I have read of experience overseas, that if had had Pfizer, I would have left it longer than three weeks between doses. Not that Pfizer will be too upset to find that booster doses of their vaccines will be required ASAP...

Gosh I remember posting this months ago and getting screamed down by a certain poster and now it’s just commonly accepted how things change

 

[hydrabyss]

Gosh I remember posting this months ago and getting screamed down by a certain poster and now it’s just commonly accepted how things change

The only problem now is that one dose of pfizer is not enough against delta so waiting longer than 3 weeks is no longer and ideal situation unless you live on the other side of the country.

 

[oz_mark]

I'm just going to stick with 3 weeks, and accept I'll need a booster next year, which I probably will need regardless....

 

[jakeseven7]

The only problem now is that one dose of pfizer is not enough against delta so waiting longer than 3 weeks is no longer and ideal situation unless you live on the other side of the country.

Just to be clear, I am not advocating people do anything other than their medical advice I just think it’s a little funny how some people on here fought the truth for so long

Personally and selfishly I’d prefer they’d stick to the 3 weeks for Pfizer so I can have my freedoms back faster . Tough if they have to get boosters faster than anyone else because it doesn’t last as long - that’s ok, not really a big deal since we will swimming in vaccine 2022 (so we are told).

 

[JessicaTam]

Just to be clear, I am not advocating people do anything other than their medical advice I just think it’s a little funny how some people on here fought the truth for so long

Personally and selfishly I’d prefer they’d stick to the 3 weeks for Pfizer so I can have my freedoms back faster . Tough if they have to get boosters faster than anyone else because it doesn’t last as long - that’s ok, not really a big deal since we will swimming in vaccine 2022 (so we are told).

I would have no issue with when getting my annual flu jab in the left arm, I'm getting the COVID booster in the right at the same time.

 

[hydrabyss]

Just to be clear, I am not advocating people do anything other than their medical advice I just think it’s a little funny how some people on here fought the truth for so long

Personally and selfishly I’d prefer they’d stick to the 3 weeks for Pfizer so I can have my freedoms back faster . Tough if they have to get boosters faster than anyone else because it doesn’t last as long - that’s ok, not really a big deal since we will swimming in vaccine 2022 (so we are told).

I can't help but think 3 weeks for the pfizer second dose may be a waste of vaccine when there is a world shortage. Wealthy countries will need their booster shots earlier than would have been needed had they spaced out the doses while poorer countries can't even get their first dose.

 

[Lynda2475]

There is nothing on the TV saying there is a delay factor.

Incorrect. It is mentioned multiple times every single day in the NSW presser by both the Premier and CHO, and has been for months.

And the materials you are given at the mass vax centre also mentions the 2-3 week wait for full protection.

 

[jakeseven7]

I can't help but think 3 weeks for the pfizer second dose may be a waste of vaccine when there is a world shortage. Wealthy countries will need their booster shots earlier than would have been needed had they spaced out the doses while poorer countries can't even get their first dose.

And don’t even talk about the Omega strain and Pfizer!

 

[mviy]

I can't help but think 3 weeks for the pfizer second dose may be a waste of vaccine when there is a world shortage. Wealthy countries will need their booster shots earlier than would have been needed had they spaced out the doses while poorer countries can't even get their first dose.

For the poorer countries the cold storage requirements of Pfizer are a big issue. AstraZeneca is a safe and effective vaccine and much more practical to roll out for the most part in such places.

 

[mviy]

Front Page of Tomorrow's Gold Coast Bulletin: "NEXT JAB OFF RANK" - "A Gold Coast university is looking to sign up 70 healthy volunteers for a clinical trial of a potential new Covid-19 vaccine..."

They need unvaccinated 18-55 year-olds for a phase three trial.

 

[JohnM]

Front Page of Tomorrow's Gold Coast Bulletin: "NEXT JAB OFF RANK" - "A Gold Coast university is looking to sign up 70 healthy volunteers for a clinical trial of a potential new Covid-19 vaccine..."

Surely not yet another Australian 'world first breakthrough'?

 

[mviy]

There is more info here: Healthy Volunteers Needed for COVID-19 VACCINE Study

One of the people on The Front Page thought it could be Novavax.

 

[JohnM]

There is more info here: Healthy Volunteers Needed for COVID-19 VACCINE Study

One of the people on The Front Page thought it could be Novavax.

Very sketchy information. No indication where, or by whom, this 'potential' new vaccine has been developed.

Griffith Uni appears to be just an intermediary through their Clinical Trial Unit to enrol some Australians in a global Phase 3 trial, not fully active participants in the actual research and development of the 'potential' vaccine. Hardly doing the cutting-edge research.

It's vague - and 13 months' duration.

And of course not helped at all by the ignorant headline in some local newspaper.

The word 'potential' in any research suggesting a cure or a solution for a problem always sends my BS-detector antennae twitching...