General COVID-19 Vaccine Discussion

[TheRealTMA]

Surely not yet another Australian 'world first breakthrough'?

Grant time submissions is approaching!

 

[OZDUCK]

The US seems to be definitely going down the path of booster shots. A very interesting comment made about the Pfizer vaccine -

"Biden administration officials are particularly concerned about data from Israel suggesting that the Pfizer-BioNTech’s protection against severe disease has fallen significantly for elderly people who were vaccinated in January or February."

and

"The latest data from Israel, posted on the government’s website on Monday, shows what some experts describe as continued erosion of the efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine over time — both against mild or asymptomatic Covid-19 infections in general and against severe disease among the elderly."

U.S. to Advise Boosters for Most Americans 8 Months After Vaccination (Published 2021)

Nursing home residents and health care workers will most likely be the first to get booster shots, as soon as September, followed by other older people who were vaccinated last winter.

www.nytimes.com

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

The US seems to be definitely going down the path of booster shots. A very interesting comment made about the Pfizer vaccine -

"Biden administration officials are particularly concerned about data from Israel suggesting that the Pfizer-BioNTech’s protection against severe disease has fallen significantly for elderly people who were vaccinated in January or February."

and

"The latest data from Israel, posted on the government’s website on Monday, shows what some experts describe as continued erosion of the efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine over time — both against mild or asymptomatic Covid-19 infections in general and against severe disease among the elderly."

U.S. to Advise Boosters for Most Americans 8 Months After Vaccination (Published 2021)

Nursing home residents and health care workers will most likely be the first to get booster shots, as soon as September, followed by other older people who were vaccinated last winter.

www.nytimes.com

And may be its already happening in Sydney.........

 

[jakeseven7]

The US seems to be definitely going down the path of booster shots. A very interesting comment made about the Pfizer vaccine -

"Biden administration officials are particularly concerned about data from Israel suggesting that the Pfizer-BioNTech’s protection against severe disease has fallen significantly for elderly people who were vaccinated in January or February."

and

"The latest data from Israel, posted on the government’s website on Monday, shows what some experts describe as continued erosion of the efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine over time — both against mild or asymptomatic Covid-19 infections in general and against severe disease among the elderly."

U.S. to Advise Boosters for Most Americans 8 Months After Vaccination (Published 2021)

Nursing home residents and health care workers will most likely be the first to get booster shots, as soon as September, followed by other older people who were vaccinated last winter.

www.nytimes.com

What a surprise… meanwhile the UK is finding some much more positive news in the longer lasting protection of AZ and some interesting studies on T Cells and AZ too.

 

[mviy]

The good news is that most of our elderly in Australia have only been eligible for AZ. Whilst giving boosters to those in aged care would have its challenges there are many more over 70s not in aged care.

 

[serfty]

What a surprise… meanwhile the UK is finding some much more positive news in the longer lasting protection of AZ and some interesting studies on T Cells and AZ too.

Not to mention the longer protection apparent with Pfizer when the UK twelve weeks between shots was compared with Israel's three with the 3 month period giving greater protection.

 

[ethernet]

Look, you gotta do what you gotta do. In Syd, the 3 week thingy and 'pushing' AZ where the work 'pushing' is the same terminology used for pushing wine, so it seems more aged/rounded without aging. But where there is no breakout, like in WA rural and some NSW rural you can delay a bit. I get cross when we adopt a 'one rule fits all' attitude. ATAGI should have an awareness of the Israel situation.
It makes me wonder if pushing the vaccine speed up, and rushed chroma filtering may be a cause even if the end product seems identical (tell a winemaker that that barrel from the same picking and vat tastes better and watch their reaction). Yes, boosters will be needed, and the timing logistics will be much much harder.

Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca and the death of herd immunity as Delta changes the score

Infectious disease experts say Australia's COVID experience will become a "pandemic of the unvaccinated" as the Delta strain's high infection rate — even among vaccinated people — turns achieving herd immunity into an "impossibility".

www.abc.net.au

Real bad news: 93% vaccination is not herd immunity, nor 90% in UK. And 20% of Australians said absolutely not in the last week. Cwth treasury, who will be bleeding money, need to alter policy to incentivise the die-hards who are punishing my freedom of travel. .

 

[jakeseven7]

Look, you gotta do what you gotta do. In Syd, the 3 week thingy and 'pushing' AZ where the work 'pushing' is the same terminology used for pushing wine, so it seems more aged/rounded without aging. But where there is no breakout, like in WA rural and some NSW rural you can delay a bit. I get cross when we adopt a 'one rule fits all' attitude. ATAGI should have an awareness of the Israel situation.
It makes me wonder if pushing the vaccine speed up, and rushed chroma filtering may be a cause even if the end product seems identical (tell a winemaker that that barrel from the same picking and vat tastes better and watch their reaction). Yes, boosters will be needed, and the timing logistics will be much much harder.

Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca and the death of herd immunity as Delta changes the score

Infectious disease experts say Australia's COVID experience will become a "pandemic of the unvaccinated" as the Delta strain's high infection rate — even among vaccinated people — turns achieving herd immunity into an "impossibility".

www.abc.net.au

Real bad news: 93% vaccination is not herd immunity, nor 90% in UK. And 20% of Australians said absolutely not in the last week. Cwth treasury, who will be bleeding money, need to alter policy to incentivise the die-hards who are punishing my freedom of travel. .

ATAGI have been asleep at the wheel I wouldn’t trust them to write a immunisation schedule for my dog.

But yes we are now doing a Canada (well mostly in NsW) - just jab anyone on whatever schedule and get them done and worry about boosting later - which to be honest is fine with me.

 

[ethernet]

Not to mention the longer protection apparent with Pfizer when the UK twelve weeks between shots was compared with Israel's three with the 3 month period giving greater protection.

Drron was always pitching AZ as fine. Not out fault if ATAGI can't read or won't accept real world evidence, real time. I took az because I knew the distribution chain would break when the virus escaped, with a hotel leak every 11 days and no root-causes found. Zero mercaptin studies?

Can't get my booster at 12 weeks, because my town only has 1/4 a chemist, and the doctors surgery said fully booked out till November (for AZ shots) even when I said did not want to see a doctor, just the shot. More overservicing? I will drive, but this is a horror story of NSW govt ads failing. I tried the eligibility questionnaire, again, and the 3 choice all said 'call' .

I found one regional pharmac_, who hopes to open up to AZ shots this week, 40km away. What a shambles.

 

[drron]

Drron was always pitching AZ as fine. Not out fault if ATAGI can't read or won't accept real world evidence, real time. I took az because I knew the distribution chain would break when the virus escaped, with a hotel leak every 11 days and no root-causes found. Zero mercaptin studies?

Can't get my booster at 12 weeks, because my town only has 1/4 a chemist, and the doctors surgery said fully booked out till November (for AZ shots) even when I said did not want to see a doctor, just the shot. More overservicing? I will drive, but this is a horror story of NSW govt ads failing. I tried the eligibility questionnaire, again, and the 3 choice all said 'call' .

I found one regional pharmac_, who hopes to open up to AZ shots this week, 40km away. What a shambles.

But my evidence of AZ was coming directly from an ATAGI member who still has the same opinion.

 

[Lynda2475]

The need for boosters has always been expected, this is not new information.

Funny that no one has mentioned that anyone who shortens their AZ gap to under 8 weeks will need a booster much sooner.

Better to be fully vaxed with Pfizer in 22 days, and grab a 6-8 month mrna booster, that to not be protected for much longer period. 1 dose is doing little to protect people, double jabs are needed for delta.

Uk who heavily used AZ start giving boosters in Sept.

Covid: NHS plans booster jab for those 50 and over before winter

The UK's vaccine committee says winter could see spikes in flu and Covid, putting pressure on the NHS.

www.bbc.com

Issue with falling immunity seems to mostly be in elderly.

 

[jakeseven7]

Not to mention the longer protection apparent with Pfizer when the UK twelve weeks between shots was compared with Israel's three with the 3 month period giving greater protection.

(Conspiracy hat on) Whoever would have thought a multinational pharma corp flogging vaccines for massive massive profit made a recommendation to use their product earlier than optimal that would lead to more of their product being needed much sooner than if taken at longer intervals and less longevity vs their major competitor.... hmmmmmmm..... No wayyyyyyy

 

[drron]

(Conspiracy hat on) Whoever would have thought a multinational pharma corp flogging vaccines for massive massive profit made a recommendation to use their product earlier than optimal that would lead to more of their product being needed much sooner than if taken at longer intervals and less longevity vs their major competitor.... hmmmmmmm..... No wayyyyyyy

I wondered when someone made the connection. Especially when another drug company with the same sort of evidence went with the 12 week gap.

 

[trevella]

Funny that no one has mentioned that anyone who shortens their AZ gap to under 8 weeks will need a booster much sooner.

I dispute not only your claim but also your qualifications to make it. That's the politest way I can think of putting it.

 

[Lynda2475]

And may be its already happening in Sydney

Based on what? 99% of Hospitalisations are in the unvaccinated or partially vaccinated. We arent seeing masses of breakthrough cases in those who were vaccinated landing in hospital or ICU.

The one death in a fully vaccinated person was a man in his 90s with serious underlying conditions, not unexpected.

 

[Lynda2475]

I dispute not only your claim but also your qualifications to make it

Its been repeatedly mentioned in media, even Dr Chant mentioned it when she started encouraging people to shorten the gap.

If you think having AZ (especially with short gap between doses) will mean you wont need a booster you are mistaken. If AZ gave lifetime protection the UK wouldnt be giving 3rd doses to medical staff and over 50s from next month.

 

[sjk]

I dispute not only your claim but also your qualifications to make it. That's the politest way I can think of putting it.

I genuinely find it puzzling above all else... of all the things to have a batcough irrational bias about... a vaccine?

 

[Lynda2475]

Its not bias, all the approved vaccines will need boosters to think otherwise is irrationally naive.

Uk wouldnt be urgently starting boosters in 2 weeks if it wasnt needed.

 

[sjk]

If you think having AZ (especially with short gap between doses) will mean you wont need a booster you are mistaken

If AZ gave lifetime protection

all the approved vaccines will need boosters to think otherwise is irrationally naive

Uk wouldnt be urgently starting boosters in 2 weeks if it wasnt needed.

Strawiest strawman argument ever.

 

[mviy]

Funny that no one has mentioned that anyone who shortens their AZ gap to under 8 weeks will need a booster much sooner.

AZ and other COVID-19 vaccines approved in Australia are remarkably effective. Shortening the gap may reduce the effectiveness but it’s still very effective and a strong T-cell response from AZ may mean even with the shorter gap between doses boosters aren’t needed for a long time.

We need evidence to know when/if boosters are needed for AZ.