Heads up about program changes

[suparockin]

I think it all started with the Aquire program, devaluing points so they had to reduce the earn somewhere.

 

[lovestotravel]

The decision has now been made to discontinue “MASAs” as they represent a short cut to tier status and add a significant cost without the revenue in return.

The financial realities of our business have been well publicised, and I hope you can see the logic.

I do find this hilarious beyond any belief

Now the "financial cost" of a WP who may do 3-4 JASA flights to get WP plus another $2000 or more in other flights...

For these JASA flights they have burned say 200,000 points and approx $1600 in "cash" plus $2000 in other revenue

Now for any other "significant cost" they actually have to use more points and more "cash" to fly again, and the real benefit for them is access to a J lounge, or an F lounge, but hey if they had spent nearly the same as above in "cash" terms they would be very close to Qantas gold and have lounge access anyways.

Logic - As everyone else on here has said the points earning changes and to a TINY degree the MASA changes mean that people find a reason to fly QF even less than before and having a big stash of points even more-so.

Why bother flying QF to earn all these points if you firstly reduce the earn, and then secondly, reduce another option to burn points!

It's funny, a mate and I were thinking of doing a MASA MEL-SYD-BNE-MEL for a weekend, but now we won't even bother and just book with the cheapest fare of the day which would likely be Virgin. As for the poor Virgin lounge, we can simply pay $10 each and eat something before entering and then get similar benefit inside to what QF offers.

Sad times indeed, and yet the further demise of the Kangaroo

 

[Mwenenzi]

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I wonder why QF did not put this in the email

Its easy to find other airlines to fly with

 

[medhead]

Actually I take that back. Do you think we're stupid? Serious question Red Roo. The spin here is an insult to my intelligence.

 

[Cossie]

I've got 2 flights to Europe in the next 2 months both with QANTAS as I wanted to be loyal, there is also the possibility of 2 more flights to Europe in July and August which I would have flown QANTAS without a doubt. I'm very disappointed and I'll be considering other options for those flights if I decide to travel at that time.
Thanks to masa's I'll have WP until end of 08/15, then I guess I'll drop to WG until end 08/16 which will still give me access to the Q pub. I would have flown with a QF number without hesitation, but from now on I'll fly whatever airline gives me the best deal. I doubt very much it will be with a QF number.
Obviously I don't fit Q's wanted demographics, so they have lost what I would call a 'loyal customer'.

What was that advertisement, something along the lines of "when next you decide to travel, make qantas.com your first destination", it may have been my first point of call previously, but not any more.

Not happy Jan........

 

[AnonymousCoward]

OK, thanks to correction of my earlier post by markis10, I looked for the original quote "ASAs are here to stay".

Well, well ... here it is in in the AFF thread :

(my bolding).

So, Red Roo ... I imagine you will be wanting to sincerely apologise to this forum? I know this may not be the same person as "you", and management have a nasty habit of double crossing everyone ... but "Red Roo' made this statement. So a simple, gracious apology would be nice.

a) Does the post say anything about "Marginal ASAs"? I can't see anything to that effect. ASAs are still here, as far as I can tell
b) That post was a year ago. Do you think that a post in a forum like this commits QF to maintaining a particular offering for all eternity? Business circumstances change - it would be commercial suicide to stick to any commitment forever regardless of the consequences...

 

[Himeno]

Sad that a JRTW will not net a WP anymore.

Have you worked that out?

 

[tuapekastar]

Here is me thinking that the 'cost' of buying the cheapest non-flexible (sale, Red-e-deal) fares is the inability to cancel at all, and having to pay large fees and the fare difference to change. Apparently that is not enough imposition, and points earnings will drop (though not significantly in my case).

mASAs are a disappointing, if not entirely unexpected, loss. And I cannot see for the life of me how their existence could have put any real dent in the bottom line.

Some of the partner SC earns seem rather stingy - particularly Y- to SE Asia (at 15 cf. previously 30), but overall it does not seem a drastic change in the points/SCs earning sphere (I appreciate some may have travel patterns where it is a change - and not for the better).

I know we will all get used to the new earnings tables, but to suggest they are simplified compared to the old ones is like suggesting Stalin was 'humanitarian of the 20th century.'

I'm sure (well, maybe) QF has done it's sums and considers the changes will to be to their benefit, but seriously, changes to earning patterns like the ones presented reeks somewhat of the ever-present department in a company that semi-regularly decides to reshuffle department desks and floor plans - simply do it because they can and to keep them occupied. Perhaps it is these people that need to to 'go' before the 5000 already declared.

Disclaimer: this is an initial reaction without having fully checked out what the changes mean to me. I will assess them in the near future, and try and marry my future travel with the carrier/scheme that suits me best (and it may well remain QF, too early to tell).

 

[defurax]

Wow, they must have assembled this new table in 10 minutes... BNE-MEL is both a short and mid-range flight

 

[RooFlyer]

b) That post was a year ago. Do you think that a post in a forum like this commits QF to maintaining a particular offering for all eternity? Business circumstances change - it would be commercial suicide to stick to any commitment forever regardless of the consequences...

I agree. Any categorical promise is stupid - and the skepticism that greeted the comment here was e=well founded

 

[ketsuzei]

This seems a tad contradictory to me:

Q: When do these changes take effect?
A: The changes are effective for travel on and from 1 July 2014. This means if you book on/before 28 March 2014, for travel on or after 1 July 2014 you will earn Qantas Points and Status credits in line with these new Airline Earning Tables.
Q: What if I've already booked?
A: If you have flights already booked (booked and ticketed on or before Fri 28 Mar 14) for travel on/after 1 July 2014, you will earn the Qantas Points and Status credits that applied at the time you made your booking. The applicable Qantas Points will be credited to your Qantas Frequent Flyer Account approximately four weeks after the dates of the flight(s) taken.

 

[suparockin]

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I wonder why QF did not put this in the email

Its easy to find other airlines to fly with

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[SQ421]

It is evident Qantas can't compete with its OneWorld Partners to Asia on a combination of product + service and must now penalise its Frequent Flyers for choosing a better product for less.

 

[RooFlyer]

Wow, they must have assembled this new table in 10 minutes... BNE-MEL is both a short and mid-range flight

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ALL the flights are both Short and Mid! Amateur stuff. Normal Qantas web site standard.

 

[Mwenenzi]

Wow, they must have assembled this new table in 10 minutes... BNE-MEL is both a short and mid-range flight
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No. For MEL-BNE you twice the SC's & points. That's what is stated, so that what's we will get. :idea: :shock:
Really its true and simple. We always believe what QF tell us

 

[marki]

Well picked up

 

[RooFlyer]

It is evident Qantas can't compete with its OneWorld Partners to Asia on a combination of product + service and must now penalise its Frequent Flyers for choosing a better product for less.

But they are also penalizing FFers on routes Qantas don't even fly. SCs for HKG to YVR reduced.

 

[Ansett]

This seems a tad contradictory to me:

Q: When do these changes take effect?
A: The changes are effective for travel on and from 1 July 2014. This means if you book on/before 28 March 2014, for travel on or after 1 July 2014 you will earn Qantas Points and Status credits in line with these new Airline Earning Tables.
Q: What if I've already booked?
A: If you have flights already booked (booked and ticketed on or before Fri 28 Mar 14) for travel on/after 1 July 2014, you will earn the Qantas Points and Status credits that applied at the time you made your booking. The applicable Qantas Points will be credited to your Qantas Frequent Flyer Account approximately four weeks after the dates of the flight(s) taken.

How absolutely confusing so book before and fly after and earn new If booked before and fly after earn old WTF????

 

[jamesatfish]

But that's a function of the new bands, right? Not a function of changing the way the way the bonus is calculated (i.e. what the previous poster wrote). PP was saying that WP flyers in F got 100% cabin bonus (i.e. 1000pts + 1000pts), and then 100% of that (i.e. total of 4000pts), whereas I'm sure it used to be 100% WP bonus of miles flown and 100% cabin bonus (again, of miles flown), so there's no "50% devaluation" there.

Yes, I stand corrected on my original statement.
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Under today's changes that flight would have netted me 29,250 points and 270 SCs.

 

[Orca]

Wow, they must have assembled this new table in 10 minutes... BNE-MEL is both a short and mid-range flight

View attachment 26657

Yepp... Short when flying BNE-MEL... Definitely mid range the other way when you're held overhead the CG by those pesky, painful air traffic controllers. Bloody nuisance creatures that they are...