Heads up about program changes

[Craigie]

FWIW Red Roo those tables are a mess. Someone got the new kid to cut loose on excel except he's never used it before.

 

[Cynicor]

Anyone have thoughts as to whether MASAs booked tomorrow will earn QFFP and SC for flights post July?

 

[ozdunker]

Red Roo - I think this announcement was supposed to be announced next Tuesday.

Wondered why the Virgin share price bumped today.

Did Qantas employ Kevin Rudd to implement these new changes? Someone put them together over the weekend. Sounded good in theory.

 

[Isochronous]

I did a MH J trip HKG-KUL-PEN recently. The SC earn was 80+40+40+82 = 240 SC for the return trip.

As an intra-Asia trip on a partner airline, this would appear to fall in the 'all other flights' category.

HKG-KUL is 1,582 miles and still earns 80SC.

KUL-PEN is 202 miles and will earn 20SC.

Why should I be penalised for intra-Asia flights were QF doesn't fly and has never had a presence? The idiots at QF Loyalty seem to completely overlook their membership of oneworld as a marketing tool that attracts fliers; the main reason I have been loyal to QF is because I saw oneworld as offering the best collection of airlines and I wanted consistent lounge, boarding, check-in and luggage advantages as a OWE on them.

I may well turn to USDM/Avianca LifeMiles from here on in and fly J/F on other carriers that are not QF.

What is the overall effect on PE SC earn?
As to the question of the number/cost of people holding status:

Isn't this just an overly convoluted way of making it harder to attain status, when they could have just increased the straight out SC requirement for WP/SG/PS? That would have been much simpler and more transparent.

This is a convoluted mess and I can't believe QF Loyalty expect us to take these earn tables seriously. What a joke.

 

[Himeno]

I've always been in a similar position - fly QF whenever I can and if they don't service the region, I'll then choose OW. But as they're reducing where they actually do fly, it makes it even more difficult.

I fully appreciate they want us to spend our $$$ with QF, hence the reduction in SCs for OW carriers, but if you really have no other choice (QF doesn't service that route), it's hardly your fault, yet you're penalising us for selecting a OW carrier over *A etc.

Couldn't they at least have the lower rate on partners if QF does serve a route and a normal rate on oneworld routes that QF doesn't serve.

 

[Newk]

Anyone have thoughts as to whether MASAs booked tomorrow will earn QFFP and SC for flights post July?

sure, it seems they will. But what about the ones booked after tomorrow and before July 1?
Whole thing is a dog's breakfast

 

[lovestotravel]

At the end of the day, status tiers are there to reward frequent flyers who actually fly regularly or spend large amounts of money on premium tickets, thus being “loyal”. Tier status should not be for those people who waste their time, money and points on “status runs” just to attain the next level so they can access the F lounge an expect a free upgrade on their twice yearly vacation to the US (for the purposes of doing status runs on AA….). The demise of MASA’s is sad but not surprising and in the long run, I think it’s best if top tier levels like Sapphire and Emerald are reserved for those who actually earn it, not “buy” it. Otherwise what is the point in having these top tier levels to begin with if they are easy to attain, thus making them less exclusive? Status privileges such as F lounge access, upgrades, priority seating should be reserved for those who actually deserve and earn the status, and fly regularly. Sorry, I know I have just severely pissed off more than half this forum.

Most people are not that upset about the loss of MASA's, it was another way to burn points and create loyalty. Yeah someone makes Platinum throrugh a few MASA's my bet is they fly alot more as a result and if they don't they don't cost anything. MASA's are not that different to Double Status Credits.

At the end of the day, entire frequent flyer program is a privilege, not a right. It’s free. When you book a ticket with Qantas, all you are really entitled to is a seat on the flight you paid for. Anything else such as free points which can be used to purchase more flights, products or services or SC’s rewarded to you are a essentially a free gift.

Free points ? But unless you buy a toaster or gift cards, the points are not free to redeem...

Once again, compare the Qantas Frequent flyer Program to other airlines and even with these changes, it’s still quite decent. I remember in around 2004 when United Airlines changed their Mileage Plus Program meaning that the minimum points earned for a flight was only 500 not 1000 (I think it’s even less now…?). Here we are 10 years later and Qantas have only just changed this. Maybe it’s not so bad after all!

As decent as it may be still, it was better before, as a result people will fly QF less, as is proved by the responses in this forum, from all except a tiny handfull of people.

As for all those banging on about going to VA – I hope that works out for you. VA suck. They tried to emulate and copy the QFF program and have failed. They will always be number 2.

No they haven't failed yet, they just haven't worked out how to really value loyal customers and have a compelling product.

Ok have looked at the tables and challenge all on here to tell me what F flights are available Domestically?

Please Oh Please tell me where these flights are to and from???

EK 777-300ERs running domestically... Matter of time

 

[Danger]

Was wondering the same thing for ADL?? I'm totally confused - where does SA/NT fall in their geographic selection?

About the same place SA/NT can be found on QF's international route network.

I think we should start a thread similar to the 'MASA reference guide' thread except every time we book a flight with an airline other than QF due to these changes we should put it in a spreadsheet so we can show QF "because of these changes our members have collectively spent $xx_xx_xx on other airlines and subsequently forfeited this revenue."

Nothing speaks louder then facts!

If I can gauge peoples thoughts on this I might just start it up?

I'm in.

I'm struggling to understand who benefits from these changes. Certainly doesn't seem to be the frequent flyers who may want to make use of Discounted J fares, *or* those who want to use the OW network for the places that QF has decided not to fly to. "farer" ?

It would seem those who fly on the discounted fares will earn more than they would, and the only way to earn in equivalent rates to present is to buy the more expensive fares in each class, but who actually does that?

Who has paid for a full Y international? or a Full J?

It seems to benefit the wealthy. Those you pay several thousand dollars for what is often (not always) an inferior product. And what could the wealthy care about loyalty? They'll fly with whoever they want. I would hazard a guess that points and status credits are about as high on their interest list as a membership to a discount shopping website.

 

[coles525]

Have read everything up until: Page 29, Post #281.

My questions:

1) Will we earn SC when using our points? (Have been sort of answered in facebook, waiting for a more detailed "news story" from Aus BT.

2) One World trips (DONE 1.../120K, 240K etc....): Are there any changes to the round the world flights with the use of points? Im about to hit over 120k in points within 3 or so weeks.

Bed time now, will try to keep reading tomorrow!

 

[Troppo]

The partner earning table is very simple - fly QF or F off.

Yes....I took their advice.

 

[suparockin]

Maybe we should start a Twitter campaign, I'll go first

"First born child can be redeemed for SYD-MEL fare #QFFenhancements"

 

[Ansett]

EK 777-300ERs running domestically... Matter of time [/QUOTE]


Perhaps QF will soon become division of EK However right now there are NO F Flights Domestically not even tag flights on the A380's

 

[serfty]

I think I'm getting senile, I see the SC earn for partners but where is the points earn table for partners?

Not set yet ...

The way you earn Qantas Points on partner airline flights will transition to the same regional framework as the table above. Please ensure Your Profile is up to date so that we can keep you informed of these changes.

 

[AnonymousCoward]

According to the new table Domestic Australia Short flights in First will earn Min 1800 points and 60 SC

Please Oh Please tell me where these flights are to and from???

Or is this just another example of Qantas's piss poor communication planning and knowledge of its products offerings !!!!!!

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NOT IMPRESSED QANTAS

You're "NOT IMPRESSED" simply because there's a line for domestic F, and currently there is no domestic F? Srsly?

Maybe it's just there, so that in the future, if they have a domestic F, they don't need to do up a whole new announcement? No one's disadvantaged by having this earning rate for a non-existent product, so I wouldn't bother getting MY KNICKERS IN A TWIST (in all caps) for this single issue

 

[cmon0005]

If they are trying to stop shortcuts to Tier status and reduce the number of people in the lounges, why on earth is Qantas Club membership still available for a rather small price and zero flying required??

Either Qantas Club membership should be totally canned or the price should be greatly increased based on their thinking around this new earn model.etc.:evil:

 

[serfty]

Platinum is going to require more P class USA criss crossing so a nightmare for some!

That's alright - mutli segment AA[USair] P class fares are getting far more expen sice in any case.

 

[Orca]

Nope - the way I read it is 37,200

Now I'm actually unsure - the table seems like it has a few typo's (I just read straight from the Plat points earn line which, upon further inspection, doesn't follow their explanation) but I still can't see how you came up with 37,200?

Damn work experience kids at QF...

 

[suparockin]

@superockin: 1000 Status Points for every correct estimation of new Status Point earn rates #QFFenhancements @QantasAirways #qantasfail

 

[AnonymousCoward]

As decent as it may be still, it was better before, as a result people will fly QF less, as is proved by the responses in this forum, from all except a tiny handfull of people.

High status customers on cheap tickets will be the biggest losers. They're probably the most expensive customers QF has, and QF appears to be "firing" those customers. A marginal business probably doesn't want a bunch of loss-making customers hanging around.

Those that value their status will have to pony up more money. Those that value their money will go burden VA with their loss-inducing behaviour.

 

[cmon0005]

In the T+C's of the email that went out this evening they failed to list Qatar... Another proof-reading error?

2 You can earn Status credits when flying on eligible Qantas, oneworld® Alliance airlines (American Airlines®, airberlin, British Airways, Cathay Pacific Airways, Finnair, Iberia, JAL, LAN, Malaysia Airlines, Royal Jordanian Airlines and S7), Fiji Airlines, Jetstar Airlines or QantasLink services - see the Airline Earning Table. Status credits can be earned on flights operated by Jetstar Airways where a Qantas flight number is entered on your ticket when booked in Y, B, H, K or W class, or on a Jetstar Starter Plus, Starter Max or Business Max fare only.