I wonder had JASA's continued ...

[trippin_the_rift]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

I was saying I can see JohnK's point - I suppose someone with massive points through CC spend could do one/two trip(s) each year on a FASA, get gold status, then fly economy the rest of the year but have access to Qantas Clubs and business lounges. I dunno.

Someone doing that had the means to generate enough points to buy a FASA.
There are many cases where a customer who can generate high volumes of CC points is far more valuable than an actual frequent flyer.

One could also take the view that if FASA wasn't available that customer may never send CC points to QFF.
And without having taken that FASA and made it to GOLD - they would never have taken those economy flights.

We'll likely never know the real logic behind all this until someone here cracks the into the inner circle at QF

 

[serfty]

I reckon it was "Breakage" ... the high number of points being redeemed had a effect on the ratio between expired/unused points and those redeemed.

It probably stuffed up some actuaries' annual bonus.

 

[TonyHancock]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

I know this is going way off topic and drifting back into the whole mASA debate, but here is a reference point.

I booked a one way FASA/JASA LHR-SYD-MEL with the FASA being LHR-SYD and the JASA SYD-MEL just prior to the fall and decline of the mASA. The cost was AUS$1,451.89 plus 192,000 points.

The points earn from the trip was 39200 and the SC haul was 460.

I don't know how the points value through credit cards stacks up but I know I reckon I got a cracking deal. Maybe I am naive in thinking that the deal I got was a lot better than the deal QF got, or perhaps I am programmed to think that way.

 

[opusman]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

I don't know how the points value through credit cards stacks up but I know I reckon I got a cracking deal. Maybe I am naive in thinking that the deal I got was a lot better than the deal QF got, or perhaps I am programmed to think that way.

You did well if you look at it in isolation, but how much have you spent with QF in total and how much have they earned from your credit card points?

Status only costs them something if you fly and make use of the benefits, otherwise it's just a number in a database. To get benefit from your status you have to travel and sooner or later that's going to earn them money.

 

[TonyHancock]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

You did well if you look at it in isolation

It is not in isolation though. I had it sorted such that a couple of paid J MEL-LHR-MEL coupled with FASA/JASA's covered my long haul for the year. Actual travel would account for 500k+ points including loyalty bonuses and the 50k at 2400 SC. Achieving P1 gave multiple comp ups to F. (I have flown 40 sectors on the 380 in F, but have never actually purchased F ever - all points, comp, and op ups.) In the end I netted over 2000 SC's through mASA's in my last year. :shock:

My $ spend with QF in 2014/2015 would have been less than $30k.

Prior to working the mASA out I was spending up to $60k a year with QF directly. (I achieved P! through $ spend alone in my first P1 year.) So I guess the question is does QF get better value from my points collection or direct $ spend with them? My assumption has been No, but I have no idea how QF works it all out.

 

[serfty]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

Maybe there's 500k points you would have held onto or only used in part.

The mASA's came from award buckets so they were tightly controlled.

 

[TonyHancock]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

The mASA's came from award buckets so they were tightly controlled.

I was probably in an unusual situation, in that I was booking almost a year out and predominantly MEL-LHR and return.

 

[serfty]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

I was probably in an unusual situation, in that I was booking almost a year out and predominantly MEL-LHR and return.

As was I ... but mainly transpacific. Before mASA's became point earning most of my points went on long haul upgrades.

Post mASA's? Most of my spnd is to direct point earn to Velocity ...

Due to a 4 hour schedule change I recently cancelled a Transpacific Classic U award, getting the 96k points and $435 +++ refunded. I then booked a 94K Z award; +++ for Oz-LAX was $130.

This is, however getting off-topic; when I get the opportunity I will split these posts out to another thread.

 

[medhead]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

My bad on the Loyalty profit - never was too good at finance!

EBIT is most certainly a measure of profit.

Yes it certainly is a measure of profit, but it isn't actually the profit. I mention this, not to pick up people, but to highlight that Qantas doesn't provide bottom line profit for parts of the group.

 

[JohnK]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

I know this is going way off topic and drifting back into the whole mASA debate, but here is a reference point.

I booked a one way FASA/JASA LHR-SYD-MEL with the FASA being LHR-SYD and the JASA SYD-MEL just prior to the fall and decline of the mASA. The cost was AUS$1,451.89 plus 192,000 points.

The points earn from the trip was 39200 and the SC haul was 460.

I don't know how the points value through credit cards stacks up but I know I reckon I got a cracking deal. Maybe I am naive in thinking that the deal I got was a lot better than the deal QF got, or perhaps I am programmed to think that way.

You got a fantastic deal. You got a lot more out of it than Qantas ever would. That's why it's gone. The Holiday Inn Townsville is going out of business.

And no. I don't think paying ~$200 bundle to earn 39,200 points and 460 SCs is fair to anyone as some would suggest.

 

[JessicaTam]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

The cost to the person is irrelevant. QANTAS is still getting paid for those sign on bonus points. Qantas are making their money.



And there is is. NO ONE IS ARGUING TO REINSTATE ANY SEAT AWARDS. Why can't you be involved in a discussion without making such false assumptions. I knew you'd do this rubbish and said as much. In your opinion something severely limited over 2 years ago and removed 2 years ago is resulting in changes now. That's laughable.

Just about every time JASAs are mentioned since their demise someone calls for their return. So it is hardly a false assumption.

I think this quote attributed to Brian Cox says it the best.

The problem with today’s world is that everyone believes they have the right to express their opinion AND have others listen to it.

The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!

This forum would not exist if people were not able to express an opinion, and have others listen to it. Making fun of someone may contravene AFFs T&Cs, so Brian Cox's opinion should not be taken as an appropriate interpretation of the posting guidelines.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

You got a fantastic deal. You got a lot more out of it than Qantas ever would. That's why it's gone. The Holiday Inn Townsville is going out of business.

And no. I don't think paying ~$200 bundle to earn 39,200 points and 460 SCs is fair to anyone as some would suggest.

Where does the $200 come from ??

 

[TomVexille]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

You got a fantastic deal. You got a lot more out of it than Qantas ever would. That's why it's gone. The Holiday Inn Townsville is going out of business.

And no. I don't think paying ~$200 bundle to earn 39,200 points and 460 SCs is fair to anyone as some would suggest.

As you well know, there's only one way to get status. Fly. And fly some more.

 

[amaroo]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

You got a fantastic deal. You got a lot more out of it than Qantas ever would. That's why it's gone. The Holiday Inn Townsville is going out of business.

And no. I don't think paying ~$200 bundle to earn 39,200 points and 460 SCs is fair to anyone as some would suggest.

April 2015, SWMBO & I clocked up 920SC with an FASA SYD-LHR-SYD + bookended JASA from/to BNE. Balance of SC came from BA/3K + another JASA to SIN and back via SYD ... delivered WP for 21 months - how good is that!

I was a late starter with J/M/F/ASA shame, as I also learnt about ATO around the same time

The clear winner out of this deal = amaroos :mrgreen: I'll be sticking around until the ATO stream dries up .... longer than most!

 

[JohnK]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

Where does the $200 come from ??

A random number plucked out of thin air. Or a number that some people seem to feel is a fair trade for earning SCs and points on any seat awards.

 

[Deleted member]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

Ok. I'm "Fessing Up". I have cheated my way to WP this year ( this week actually) by taking unfair advantage of the J seat sale flying BNE - AKL- BNE. ( Tuesday flying home tomorrow) And then doing it all again on Friday ( returning Sunday) to fall across the WP line by 31st August And making each trip a business expense to boot ..., Sorry ðÅ

 

[Christoo]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

I'm just idly wondering whether we should not call it getting the "middle finger" when there's no soft landing, we could call it the "Roo'd Finger"

 

[serfty]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

... I don't want to have an ExpertFlyer alert to wake me at 3:24am ~353 days out so I can book award I want. I shouldn't have to.

Why should you not have to? If it's a way to maximise one's benefits from a particular program you have invested in, then so be it. I'm ok with doing so in order to get what I am after - have done so and will do again.

Loyalty programs are designed to help the Companies promoting each program, not the customer.

The game is in the customer endeavoring to maximise their personal benefits from loyalty programs; perhaps in some ways the company did not intend.

The game indeed can change from day to day, from week to week, from month to month, from year to year.

As the game changes, the customer may need to change; tactics, processes and even company.

Being able to adapt is important.

The time that adaption is hard is when the companies have the customer tied up.

The best advise I can give to any one is to target your redemption then burn those miles/points, burn, burn, burn. ...then start again, maybe with a different company, maybe with a different goal.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

Why should you not have to? If it's a way to maximise one's benefits from a particular program you have invested in, then so be it. I'm ok with doing so in order to get what I am after - have done so and will do again.

Loyalty programs are designed to help the Companies promoting each program, not the customer.

The game is in the customer endeavoring to maximise their personal benefits from loyalty programs; perhaps in some ways the company did not intend.

The game indeed can change from day to day, from week to week, from month to month, from year to year.

As the game changes, the customer may need to change; tactics, processes and even company.

Being able to adapt is important.

The time that adaption is hard is when the companies have the customer tied up.

The best advise I can give to any one is to target your redemption then burn those miles/points, burn, burn, burn. ...then start again, maybe with a different company, maybe with a different goal.

Wise words indeed....

 

[Princess Fiona]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

A random number plucked out of thin air. Or a number that some people seem to feel is a fair trade for earning SCs and points on any seat awards.

Sorry I misunderstood and thought it was some fraction of the co-pay that TonyHancock paid for the LHR FASA