I wonder had JASA's continued ...

[Dudditz]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

I'd definitely still be WP instead of shrewdly maintaining gold. Work travel for me is few and far between so I'd love to see the JASA return!

 

[JohnK]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

April 2015, SWMBO & I clocked up 920SC with an FASA SYD-LHR-SYD + bookended JASA from/to BNE. Balance of SC came from BA/3K + another JASA to SIN and back via SYD ... delivered WP for 21 months - how good is that!

I was a late starter with J/M/F/ASA shame, as I also learnt about ATO around the same time

The clear winner out of this deal = amaroos :mrgreen: I'll be sticking around until the ATO stream dries up .... longer than most!

That is a fantastic result for you.

With any seat awards one didn't need to do a lot of flying. Remember the conversation from the loyalty lunch where it was mentioned some of the people earning Platinum One were earning it with ~1/4 of the projected spend. If that is happening at that level then what was happening at the Platinum and Gold level? Qantas made the right decision. Of that I have no doubt.

I remember 1 post in particular where someone mentioned they did enough flying to earn ~200 SCs/year but one any seat award going nowhere and using ~100,000 points got them Platinum status. Good luck to them for gaming the system but status should be a little harder than that to attain?

 

[trixydoza]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

I remember 1 post in particular where someone mentioned they did enough flying to earn ~200 SCs/year but one any seat award going nowhere and using ~100,000 points got them Platinum status. Good luck to them for gaming the system but status should be a little harder than that to attain?

You keep stating things like they're self-evident. <redacted>

If they only keep doing 200 SCs a year after getting status then that isn't costing QF much or disadvantaging other status passengers.

If they fly more because they have status, then hey, QF might have got a positive result from it after all.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

That is a fantastic result for you.

With any seat awards one didn't need to do a lot of flying. Remember the conversation from the loyalty lunch where it was mentioned some of the people earning Platinum One were earning it with ~1/4 of the projected spend. If that is happening at that level then what was happening at the Platinum and Gold level? Qantas made the right decision. Of that I have no doubt.

I remember 1 post in particular where someone mentioned they did enough flying to earn ~200 SCs/year but one any seat award going nowhere and using ~100,000 points got them Platinum status. Good luck to them for gaming the system but status should be a little harder than that to attain?

If you follow this approach through to its conclusion... QF (or any other airline) would start to argue that certain connecting flights should be ineligible for SCs because the passenger isn't paying for them.

Example... passenger A flies SYD-SIN - 120 SCs, and the fare is ~$1500. Passenger B chooses to fly MH via KUL, so the routing is SYD-KUL-SIN. The fare is the same, but the passenger nets an extra 40 SCs. No difference in fare but 40 SCs for free! Or how about the passenger changing flight numbers in DXB from the QF1 to the QF9. Free SCs for nothing.

So the conclusion would be that SCs should be awarded only on the total journey per day (origin until final destination), not on individual flight segments? That's scamming the system.

In a way QF has solved that issue for domestic flights because a transit point will often invoke a higher fare now... SYD-ADL non-stop is about half the price than flying SYD-MEL-ADL - something many years ago that we could have got for the same price.

 

[ozbeachbabe]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

I know of more than one AFFer who had a hankering to visit KTA on the odd occasion possibly when there was a DSC offer at the time.

Just say you worked FIFO so you flew on a Wednesday BNE/xMEL/xPER/KTA then the reverse two weeks later on the homeward journey. Nobody would think twice about it however when it was done purely as a status run ie pax arrived in KTA then turned around immediately and flew back certain people call this "rorting the system."

Why should the length of time at the destination whether it be KTA or anywhere else be a factor? The passenger still sat in their seat and did the flying.

What about the saying about the trip (or was it life?) being about the journey and not the destination?

 

[TonyHancock]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

With any seat awards one didn't need to do a lot of flying.

....but surely you had to do the same amount of flying as if you had booked a revenue seat? (mASA's combined with DSC is a different situation.) [I know I am at the lower end of frequent flying compared to many here, given their posts, but as an extensive user of the mASA in 2012 and 2013 I was averaging 250k miles per year in the air.]

Remember the conversation from the loyalty lunch where it was mentioned some of the people earning Platinum One were earning it with ~1/4 of the projected spend. If that is happening at that level then what was happening at the Platinum and Gold level? Qantas made the right decision. Of that I have no doubt.

I think this is a legitimate concern, but the value of FF's has gone beyond spend on airline tickets - it is as much about points through not flying as flying itself.

Perhaps I have been brainwashed but I can't help thinking I got the better of the deal with mASA's over two or three years, particularly as a P1 where numerous complimentary upgrades were bestowed upon me. It seemed utterly bizarre, but of course very welcome, to receive complimentary upgrades to F from a JASA. :shock: I for one can't thank QF enough for the mASA. (I should add, to clear any confusion, I was also spending something in the region of $40-50k a year with QF during my mASA rampage.)

I am sorry to see them go on one hand, but on the other hand I have experienced MH J (OK), UL J (Very Good) this year, and am on the verge (2 more trips) of GGL with BA which opens many new doors.

 

[medhead]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

Just about every time JASAs are mentioned since their demise someone calls for their return. So it is hardly a false assumption.

This forum would not exist if people were not able to express an opinion, and have others listen to it. Making fun of someone may contravene AFFs T&Cs, so Brian Cox's opinion should not be taken as an appropriate interpretation of the posting guidelines.

IT is a false assumption in this discussion. NO one has called for the return of ASA. That is fact. Not opinion.

If you read Brian Cox's quote you will see that it does not suggest making fun of the PERSON, but making fun of nonsense opinions.

 

[Limewood]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

I'd be a WP still buying Qantas seats for status runs as i did for years, instead of buying miles as I do now, travel in J so get lounges etc.anyway, now just a SG for few months more.

 

[medhead]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

Where does the $200 come from ??

It seems just a number pulled out of thin air.

A random number plucked out of thin air. Or a number that some people seem to feel is a fair trade for earning SCs and points on any seat awards.

Go ahead and quote anywhere that I have said anything about a fair trade value. My position is consistent in saying that Qantas should have re-priced at a level acceptable to Qantas.

Here's is another question while your sprouting forth about fair value of cheap status.
Why is it possible to book points plus pay flights, earning status and points, for less than the cost of classic awards?

 

[basso]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

IT is a false assumption in this discussion. NO one has called for the return of ASA. That is fact. Not opinion.

While recognising that this thread appears to have split off from another, in post three of this very thread, we can find the following quote

Bring back MASAs,JASAs and FASAs is what we would really like to see happen. It cannot be that hard IT wise.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

Where does the $200 come from ??

I mentioned $200 earlier because that's the price of a JQ bundle next week MEL-SIN including 120SCs, points and ~$40 worth of lounge access. I paid a similar surcharge (extra QF charges) on my ASA to Hong Kong.

While i understand not all ASAs attracted a surcharge over the normal classic award charge, many did, and in that sense status was not 'free'. It was paid for in the same way a JQ bundle is (and let's face it, a couple of ASAs with additional charges and you've paid the price of a QF Club membership, which is almost same same as gold).

 

[amaroo]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

That is a fantastic result for you.

With any seat awards one didn't need to do a lot of flying. Remember the conversation from the loyalty lunch where it was mentioned some of the people earning Platinum One were earning it with ~1/4 of the projected spend. If that is happening at that level then what was happening at the Platinum and Gold level? Qantas made the right decision. Of that I have no doubt.

I remember 1 post in particular where someone mentioned they did enough flying to earn ~200 SCs/year but one any seat award going nowhere and using ~100,000 points got them Platinum status. Good luck to them for gaming the system but status should be a little harder than that to attain?

Excluding any SC bonus it's the same BIS/flights. It took me 8 sectors to clock up 1,220SC, you can do the same today ... 6 sectors on QF1/2 will get you 1,260SC.

 

[JohnK]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

You keep stating things like they're self-evident. Really impacts on the signal-to-noise ratio.

If they only keep doing 200 SCs a year after getting status then that isn't costing QF much or disadvantaging other status passengers.

If they fly more because they have status, then hey, QF might have got a positive result from it after all.

You totally miss the point.

This person flies enough to earn 200 SCs/year. So no Platinum status. No Gold status. Not even Silver status.

They do one run to get Platinum status and now have departure and arrivals lounge access, access to better seats, premium service desk, priority check-in, First class lounge access, higher status bonus..

The ones that spent a lot less to earn Gold status are just as much of a burden. A drain on the system if you like.

I don't agree with the concept of any seat awards. Not when there are so many free points out there. Bankwest 1cent payments trick anyone? It doesn't make my opinion wrong. Nor the reason for my opinion.

Any seat awards are gone. Hope they never come back in the state they were in. Still a few tricks left. Make the most of those tricks before they disappear.

 

[trixydoza]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

You totally miss the point.

This person flies enough to earn 200 SCs/year. So no Platinum status. No Gold status. Not even Silver status.

They do one run to get Platinum status and now have departure and arrivals lounge access, access to better seats, premium service desk, priority check-in, First class lounge access, higher status bonus..

Which they use for 20 sectors a year at most unless they alter their behaviour as a result of attaining status.

I don't think it's me that's missing the point.

 

[medhead]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

While recognising that this thread appears to have split off from another, in post three of this very thread, we can find the following quote

there I go.

However, in the context of multiple threads/years with the claims that I what MASA back and I want Qantas to just hand me Status Credits, I believe there is a false statement about my view. Therefore I'll modify to I have never called for the return of MASA in this thread.

 

[medhead]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

I really don't understand this hostility. I don't agree with the concept of any seat awards. Not when there are so many free points out there. Bankwest 1cent payments trick anyone? It doesn't make my opinion wrong. Nor the reason for my opinion.

Any seat awards are gone. Hope they never come back in the state they were in. Still a few tricks left. Make the most of those tricks before they disappear.

the bolded is exactly my point. If they weren't happy with ASA they could have changed them, instead of killing them

 

[TomVexille]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

You totally miss the point.

This person flies enough to earn 200 SCs/year. So no Platinum status. No Gold status. Not even Silver status.

They do one run to get Platinum status and now have departure and arrivals lounge access, access to better seats, premium service desk, priority check-in, First class lounge access, higher status bonus..

The ones that spent a lot less to earn Gold status are just as much of a burden. A drain on the system if you like.

I don't agree with the concept of any seat awards. Not when there are so many free points out there. Bankwest 1cent payments trick anyone? It doesn't make my opinion wrong. Nor the reason for my opinion.

Any seat awards are gone. Hope they never come back in the state they were in. Still a few tricks left. Make the most of those tricks before they disappear.

I'm still wondering how someone can get 1200 SCs in a single run...

 

[serfty]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

I'm still wondering how someone can get 1200 SCs in a single run...

One could not with a mASA.

There were fares in the America's where earning 1200 SC's was possible for USD1400 IIRC with a single return trip.

The earning on such fares has been markedly attenuated by "Simpler and Fairer [SUP]TM[/SUP] ". Also, the fare cost of these has risen.

 

[JessicaTam]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

I'm still wondering how someone can get 1200 SCs in a single run...

One could not with a mASA.

There were fares in the America's where earning 1200 SC's was possible for USD1400 IIRC with a single return trip.

The earning on such fares has been markedly attenuated by "Simpler and Fairer [SUP]TM[/SUP] ". Also, the fare cost of these has risen.

MEL-LHR in F is 420*, return with a DSC earns 1680. Change flight number in DXB to ensure 4~.

*Based on current SC earning.

 

[TonyHancock]

Re: I've felt the sting of the QFF Loyalty Middle Finger

One could not with a mASA.

....unless combined with a DSC.

MEL-LHR in F is 420*, return with a DSC earns 1680. Change flight number in DXB to ensure 4~.

Just route via SYD to get the 4~