Jetstarisation of CNS Routes

[Isochronous]

Assume/Know - I am sticking with "know" but should have said VA at the end.

QF will know that most people will stick with JQ instead of moving to VA......

QF have no doubt crunched the numbers based on what happened in OOL (although the changes here at CNS) are different.... Just a slight reduction in services and not a total pullout........

Added to that, the higher wages, etc etc on a Qantas operated aircraft VS JQ.... Even the loss of a few higher fares may not make up the difference in operating costs........

Yet now there is talk they will return to OOL because they have lost market share there.

 

[Oneworldplus2]

Yet now there is talk they will return to OOL because they have lost market share there.

Isn't there a major sporting event coming up on the GC soon? Would make sense for QF to go back there to grab some $$$. However, l'm wondering how long they will stay after the event....

 

[markis10]

Isn't there a major sporting event coming up on the GC soon? Would make sense for QF to go back there to grab some $$$. However, l'm wondering how long they will stay after the event....

The titans are playing the cowboys, was trying to workout why the gold coast paper was bagging JTs lack of try's lately which I was reading over breakfast, looked up to see him in person having breakfast at the same hotel, needless to say I clicked LOL!

 

[lovestotravel]

Mr JohnK this decision makes no sense to anybody, considering the amount of replies to this thread, especially considering the routes (and more specially the times) they removed.

It does to the Qantas board............

 

[lovestotravel]

Yet now there is talk they will return to OOL because they have lost market share there.

Talk.... But doubt it will happen..........

 

[garee]

Why would you keep a one off JQ lounge?

So in the future you can revert back to a QF lounge. The question being how far into the future.

QF will not return just because DJ opened a lounge. Mr Joyce and his bean counters just want to save money, not spend it.

 

[dfcatch]

It does to the Qantas board............

Correction - it does to the Revenue Management Analysts (aka mathematicians rather than accountants. Accountants are smart and understand the outside world. Mathematicians live in an alternate universe who can't understand the concept of intangibles).

Given that the CEO is a mathematician (albeit - transformed over the years into a more intelligent accountant-like being), RM recommendations get rubber-stamped without question.

EDIT - I don't doubt the RM projections/calculations/assessments for one minute.

I do however question the conventional business wisdom once you factor in intangibles into the equation - something they are incapable of doing under current management at QF.

Borghetti OTOH gets it.


EDIT 2 - as further evidence for my arguments - one only has to look at the fact that this decision was obviously not run by marketing (particularly to the USA market) who as recently as a few weeks ago are still aggressively marketing QF services with CNS as the destination. In fact - it is one of QF's biggest mainstay regular staple campaigns. Removing one of the primary connector flights makes no sense whatsoever (unless you ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY accept the spreadsheet assumptions provided by RM).

Arguing that BNE is an option makes no sense for two reasons - firstly QF 799 CNS-BNE is usually full, and will definitely be more so now. The marketing pushes the A380 which doesn't operate on the QF 15/16 route, and BNE doesn't service DFW (although the later connection to SYD is suitable for that).


EDIT 3 - A suggestion for AJ - lest he be accused of misleading the market......

In all future announcements regarding "defending the 65% market share" - he should clarify that he means exclusively the 65% on the MEL-SYD route, and all others can go to DJ.

 

[lovestotravel]

QF will not return just because DJ opened a lounge. Mr Joyce and his bean counters just want to save money, not spend it.

Exactly, besides the fact the would need to add back 3-5 or more 737's of which QF don't have...... Failing that the aircraft come from somewhere else.....

It's not gonna happen!

 

[Noob]

CNS is primarily a leisure destination, not a business one. It's the same reason QF no longer service OOL.

A massive generalisation.

Yes, CNS and OOL have a strong tourist drawcard and a large number of pax into the ports are leisure travelers. However, there are still business communities in Cairns and the Gold Coast and to deny they exist or that there are people who transit to these destinations for business is pretty daft.

At the end of the day, almost every destination has some business traveler market, even the most leisure focussed. I wonder who operate the numerous tourist facilities, attractions, hotels, travel agencies, shops and other businesses which thrive off the leisure travelers? And the accountants, lawyers, architects, investors, engineers and IT professionals who are involved in these businesses?

 

[dfcatch]

Latest special - omitting to tell our American cousins that they are rooted on their return connection options if they dare to want to fly from Sydney.

http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/air...rrier-reef/us/en?rgn_cam=us:qf:t20120608_reef

How dare they even think of wanting to travel on the A380!! Just because the advertisement by QF offers it doesn't mean that you can actually fly QF to get to it.

I just made a dummy booking to see what JQ related warnings you get......

IF - you click on the flight number in response to the "flight operated by Deathstar", then you simply get the standard wording that food etc is not included.

No warning about lack of flight connections, checked thru baggage, lack of terminal transfer rights and facilities, baggage allowances, in flight amenities as promoted and advertised by QF, etc etc.

Oh - and no price discount to compensate for the shunting off to its third-world subsidiary malignant carrier.

Absolutely shameful Qantas........

There really are no words........ Well, none that I can get away with using on a moderated forum!

 

[Isochronous]

A massive generalisation.

Yes, CNS and OOL have a strong tourist drawcard and a large number of pax into the ports are leisure travelers. However, there are still business communities in Cairns and the Gold Coast and to deny they exist or that there are people who transit to these destinations for business is pretty daft.

At the end of the day, almost every destination has some business traveler market, even the most leisure focussed. I wonder who operate the numerous tourist facilities, attractions, hotels, travel agencies, shops and other businesses which thrive off the leisure travelers? And the accountants, lawyers, architects, investors, engineers and IT professionals who are involved in these businesses?

Besides, how many people who are travelling to stay at the Mirage/Versace/Sea Temple/Sofitel etc are going to want to travel Deathstar? That tourist demographic would be keener on a mainline service.

 

[rechoboam]

Besides, how many people who are travelling to stay at the Mirage/Versace/Sea Temple/Sofitel etc are going to want to travel Deathstar? That tourist demographic would be keener on a mainline service.

I do see a business opportunity for a concierge service for Chinese/US tourists trying to navigate the mess. Perhaps it is being done already.

 

[glemmsbar]

This is just the most stupid decision I have heard. These are business flights with the added bonus of tourists. And generally tourists with money to spend in 4 and 5 star hotels.

Flights to Cairns are now regularly full with FIFO workers. I think Qantas made a decision based on old data.

If you want to improve the international sector you need to have good domestic connections. The last thing you want to do is re-check luggage and with this decision you now will.

Poor form Qantas.

 

[brad330]

Dear Qantas,

Your <redacted> idiots.

Thankyou for distrupting my travel for the next year.

 

[Oneworldplus2]

Dear Qantas,

Your <redacted> idiots.

Thankyou for distrupting my travel for the next year.

What exactly happened?

 

[samh004]

What exactly happened?

They removed two really well timed flights and replaced them with Jetstar, I'd imagine is the issue.

Anyway, perhaps someone can explain to me why from Brisbane to Hamilton Island you need to fly Jetstar (leisure route?) but from Cairns to Hamilton Island you can fly QantasLink (also presumably leisure)? It doesn't seem to fit their whole mantra of pushing customers to Jetstar for leisure routes.


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[Oneworldplus2]

They removed two really well timed flights and replaced them with Jetstar, I'd imagine is the issue.

Yeah, l know about that, but there is still a Virgin and JQ option. (Plus, look @brad330 avatar...)

 

[turtlemichael]

They removed two really well timed flights and replaced them with Jetstar, I'd imagine is the issue.

Anyway, perhaps someone can explain to me why from Brisbane to Hamilton Island you need to fly Jetstar (leisure route?) but from Cairns to Hamilton Island you can fly QantasLink (also presumably leisure)? It doesn't seem to fit their whole mantra of pushing customers to Jetstar for leisure routes.


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Sam, shhhhhush please!

 

[samh004]

Yeah, l know about that, but there is still a Virgin and JQ option. (Plus, look @brad330 avatar...)

The JQ options replaces the QF options? Seems like an obvious grievance, they're treating their customers badly. As for Virgin, they're not part of he QF group, and of course, I can see his avatar.

Sam, shhhhhush please!

Sorry. Haha. But I wonder how they reason Jetstar from Brisbane, but not from other ports. They're so full of it.

Love QantasLink!


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[markis10]

The JQ options replaces the QF options? Seems like an obvious grievance, they're treating their customers badly. As for Virgin, they're not part of he QF group, and of course, I can see his avatar.



Sorry. Haha. But I wonder how they reason Jetstar from Brisbane, but not from other ports. They're so full of it.

Love QantasLink!


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Probably due to the fact JQ don't have a smal enough plane for the load!