JQ reduces seat pitch on A320's & locks all seats upright

[stryker]

This is a joke, right?

I haven't heard of an airline that has 27" pitch on their seats before and I'm tempted not to fly one that does! (Now darn me who has two F Lounge runs coming up on JQ, however I hope they do not touch the A330-200s).

Surely 27" is pushing the legal boundaries somewhere, even if you made reclining impossible.

I thought JQ was reasonable albeit amateur before; if they consider this move then all I can say is "God help them", because they will be an absolute disgrace to the Qantas group and to the Australian airline market as a whole.

It clearly IS a joke.

Even Ryanair, the much despised behemoth of the Northern hemisphere has greater legroom than this.

But I do agree with non-reclining seats in Y. Avoids a lot of arguments that way.

 

[anat0l]

It clearly IS a joke.

From the other comments in this thread, it may not be. I guess my initial remark was being rather facetious.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

so jetstar will have less pitch than TIGER and Air Asia but still have the same number of seats as they do in an A320??

Sorry, I don't believe it!

Jetstar may reconfigure the aircraft once the delivery flight is completed.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

dazz81,

I backup what markis10 has said and suggest you go and reread post #1 and look at the source of the information. ozbeachbabe is not a rumour monger and has air side access to places that most others do not.

yup i re-read it. I stand by what I said.

I believe they can squeeze more seats in which would explain the massive reduction in pitch so may be what happens when it arrives in NTL.

I believe they can..... it MAY be what happens.... hmmm. These don't seem to be certainties!

disadvantages I foresee

Ok, so ozbeachbabe foresee's this...

I believe exit rows with be 28 inches

Sorry, but i will wait for the facts, not what somebody BELIEVES will be the case

 

[notzac]

Small question to those that know - are there legal requirements as to the minimum seat pitch for emex rows?

Edit: Apparently there isn't any: http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD:2062400962:pc=PC_91475

 

[milehighclub]

The CASA requirement is the same as the manufactures requirement which are set by the FAA or NCAA

"The Civil Aviation Safety Authority has no regulations for seat pitch, passenger space or seating room, as it is a matter for the airline to determine in conjunction with the aircraft manufacturer and the aircraft’s certificating authority.

These regulatory authorities also set the maximum number of seats that may be installed on an aircraft, CASA recognises these standards. For Boeing this is the United States Federal Aviation Administration and for Airbus the National Civil Aviation Administration"

Currently Tiger and Jetstar both have 38" for their exit rows

 

[Aussie_flyer]

Currently Tiger and Jetstar both have 38" for their exit rows

One would doubt then that it would be reduced to 28" as per the OP , I cant see how an A320 would be able to be evacuated efficiently with 28 inch pitch at the emex.

 

[markis10]

One would doubt then that it would be reduced to 28" as per the OP , I cant see how an A320 would be able to be evacuated efficiently with 28 inch pitch at the emex.

You do realize the report is from someone that works for the same group of companies as JQ, (and its not Apr 1) and that person walks in and out of aircraft numerous times each working day?

As far as I am concerned only a refueler would be a more credible reporter of the goings on with airlines in DRW.

 

[kamchatsky]

Frankly speaking, for LCCs, ANYTHING is possible.

Just ask Ryanair about possibility of charging for toilets!

 

[munitalP]

I have to lean toward waiting till the facts are released by jq before getting too upset.

Mr!

 

[Aussie_flyer]

You do realize the report is from someone that works for the same group of companies as JQ, (and its not Apr 1) and that person walks in and out of aircraft numerous times each working day?

As far as I am concerned only a refueler would be a more credible reporter of the goings on with airlines in DRW.

That's nice I will await the facts. I don't believe for 1 minute that emergency exit rows will be 28 inches. I don't see how that would even work with the configuration of the Airbus A320 emergency exit windows/doors.

 

[markis10]

That's nice I will await the facts. I don't believe for 1 minute that emergency exit rows will be 28 inches. I don't see how that would even work with the configuration of the Airbus A320 emergency exit windows/doors.

Row 10 is an exit row on a BA A320 eurotraveller and has a seat pitch of 28", and 152 seats in total. Needless to say they are actually the least popular seats in the aircraft!

 

[Aussie_flyer]

Row 10 is an exit row on a BA A320 eurotraveller and has a seat pitch of 28", and 152 seats in total. Needless to say they are actually the least popular seats in the aircraft!

The pitch is not 28 inches, it is more than that. The reason why they are not popular is because they do not recline.

 

[markis10]

The pitch is not 28 inches, it is more than that. The reason why they are not popular is because they do not recline.

I can assure you its 28 inch's, Row 11 is also an exit row, has no additional leg room and does recline, and its more popular because there is no chance of 10 reclining into your lunch with such a small pitch. Regardless both address your question about the exit rows and matching with the exit config and are facts. Seat Pitch as reported is an average, as mentioned JQ already operate 29" for most of the aircraft in the A320.

I hope you are right and its not fact, for the obvious reasons, or its merely a config that is ex factory and unfinalised as far as final seating layout. If your wrong, well at least you can say you heard about it here first

 

[Aussie_flyer]

I can assure you its 28 inch's, Row 11 is also an exit row, has no additional leg room and does recline, and its more popular because there is no chance of 10 reclining into your lunch with such a small pitch. Regardless both address your question about the exit rows and matching with the exit config and are facts. Seat Pitch as reported is an average, as mentioned JQ already operate 29" for most of the aircraft in the A320.

I hope you are right and its not fact, for the obvious reasons, or its merely a config that is ex factory and unfinalised as far as final seating layout. If your wrong, well at least you can say you heard about it here first

So British Airways go out of there way to reduce seat pitch in exit rows of A320's compared to the rest of the entire economy cabin?

 

[markis10]

So British Airways go out of there way to reduce seat pitch in exit rows of A320's compared to the rest of the entire economy cabin?

You could say that, the rows in front of them are convertible to Club Europe and have on average a pitch of 34", all the seats behind them pay a price to bring the average pitch down. ANA also offer a exit row without the resulting extra leg space, its not a new idea.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

You could say that, the rows in front of them are convertible to Club Europe and have on average a pitch of 34", all the seats behind them pay a price to bring the average pitch down. ANA also offer a exit row without the resulting extra leg space, its not a new idea.

The rows behind Club Europe are 31 inches. Same pitch as ANA.

The exit row requirements will vary depending on the total seats available, e.g. if 180 seats will need to evacuate 20 more passengers than in say a 160 seat configuration, but still need to do it in the same time frame, this will most likely explain the extra space in exit rows on 180 seat configurued A320s. This is also why the A319 on British airways offers a 38 inch pitch in the exit row, because there is only 1 overwing exit row on the A319.

 

[milehighclub]

If a airline has an aircraft with a single over wing exit (such as the A319 or 737-300) and doesn't want to have an increased pitch for the emergency exit, the window seat must be removed on the row closet to the over wing exit

 

[JohnK]

Reduced seat pitch? Another reason to avoid Jetstar.

But I do agree with non-reclining seats in Y. Avoids a lot of arguments that way.

You are not getting any arguments from me!

 

[ozbeachbabe]

If a airline has an aircraft with a single over wing exit (such as the A319 or 737-300) and doesn't want to have an increased pitch for the emergency exit, the window seat must be removed on the row closet to the over wing exit

I remember the QF mainline 737's had exit rows 9 & 10 but there was no 9A or 9F but there were still 10ABC & 10DEF.

Just say an airline operating an A320 (not talking specific airline here) wanted to squeeze in an extra couple of rows in thereby giving them 32 rows. Times that by 6 seats in each row = 192, minus 4 seats being 4 exit window seats to legally permit a 28inch pitch gives you 188.

188 is 8 more than what is currently permitted under the 1:36 ratio ie 5 x 36 but airlines are hammering CASA to raise this to 1:50 which is now in effect in NZ. See link below for proposed change to the current ratio.

http://www.faaadomestic.org.au/upload//1598-1.pdf

The link underneath is an online response form to CASA if you want to give them your 2c worth on why it should remain 1:36.

Civil Aviation Safety Authority - Documents open for comment