JQ25 MEL - CNS warning....

[Melburnian1]

What’s with this “seems” nonsense? Are you actually able to document it?

While we won't have captured every cancellation or delay, reference to the Jetstar delays/cancellations thread will show you some of these. The JQi ones are mixed in with the JQd but there's no shortage of either. Generally I only record arrival delays that are, or expected to be, half an hour or more.

 

[nlagalle]

While we won't have captured every cancellation or delay, reference to the Jetstar delays/cancellations thread will show you some of these. The JQi ones are mixed in with the JQd but there's no shortage of either. Generally I only record arrival delays that are, or expected to be, half an hour or more.

So in other words you have zero.. just a whole lot of cancellations that aren’t systematic hey?

 

[zenyattamondatta]

While we won't have captured every cancellation or delay, reference to the Jetstar delays/cancellations thread will show you some of these. The JQi ones are mixed in with the JQd but there's no shortage of either. Generally I only record arrival delays that are, or expected to be, half an hour or more.

Relevance, Your Honour?

 

[Melburnian1]

So in other words you have zero.. just a whole lot of cancellations that aren’t systematic hey?

nlagelle, I didn't say that. Why not tone it down a little?

Maybe spend two or three minutes reading the thread to which I referred. It isn't perfect but it shows some of the problems JQ passengers encounter from cancelled and delayed flights.

Civility and politeness go a long way.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

What’s with this “seems” nonsense? Are you actually able to document it?

Of course it can be documented with a spreadsheet set up to prove it one way or the other. But the thing is I don't need to. I like JQ, I'd recommend their business class. But their reliability is an issue. Even it if is it is just down to pure coincidence. I rarely book JQ because of it, and at the end of the day that's often a key piece of information people take away.

 

[nlagalle]

If you took the time to read the JQ cancellations thread, you'd observe that there's a semi-regular pattern of B788 cancellations, that as MEL_Traveller states appear to be rotated between various flight

“Semi-regular” and “systematic” is what’s been thrown around here. All you have is pages of cancellations, nothing that actually correlates to anything. As I said it ain’t newsworthy that JQ cancelled a flight.

Your cancellation threads merely say “hey look there are some delayed and cancelled flights.” And that’s it. Nothing that backs up anything that’s been said here about JQ apparently having a plane short and systematically or semi regularly cancelling flights.

 

[zenyattamondatta]

But the thing is I don't need to.

Oh, well OK then.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

“Semi-regular” and “systematic” is what’s been thrown around here. All you have is pages of cancellations, nothing that actually correlates to anything. As I said it ain’t newsworthy that JQ cancelled a flight.

Your cancellation threads merely say “hey look there are some delayed and cancelled flights.” And that’s it. Nothing that backs up anything that’s been said here about JQ apparently having a plane short and systematically or semi regularly cancelling flights.

Years of expereince. A list of cancellations. And a potential - but not confirmed - pattern. As I said, at the end of the day, it's not my problem. It's JQ's. Not only from my lost revenue, but other potential pax as well. Reliability is important in airline operations.

When you see cancellations of this regularity you have a couple of choices. You can either ignore it, or you can ask why. It's not unreasonable to ask the 'why' if you have a vested interest... like wanting to get where you're going. If it is unfortunate coincidence a passenger might give JQ the benefit of the doubt and continue to buy tickets. If there's a pattern the passenger may be less willing to continue buying tickets.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Oh, well OK then.

No one needs to except JQ. We have the benefit of a choice of carriers.

 

[zenyattamondatta]

No one needs to except JQ.

Awesome! Unlimited freedom to spout unsubstantiated nonsense!

 

[moa999]

Years of expereince. A list of cancellations. And a potential - but not confirmed - pattern.

Do you also assume QF doesn't have enough planes to operate SYD-MEL vv given the regularity of cancellations..

Eg. See the last few days

The QANTAS Source – QANTAS News and Information

QANTAS News and Information

theqantassource.com

 

[Quickstatus]

Awesome! Unlimited freedom to spout unsubstantiated nonsense!

I raise it as my opinion/belief as to the true nature of the JQ cancellation. It’s up to each individual to decide for themselves if they want to investigate this for themselves or just believe that’s it is just an unlucky or random set of events. And it is OK if they want to believe it’s “unsubstantiated nonsense”. Despite some demanding incontrovertible truth, it is not up to me to provide any more evidence because the information I offered was immediately put down. Generally I find those who make such demands have already made up their minds and no amount of “evidence” will convince, If some don’t agree despite my offerings that’s OK too.

Just a reminder this is a forum of ideas and views. Feel free to agree or disagree.

Media experience is not a requirement for anything other than working in the “media”. It is being devalued anyway as alternative media sources are taking a lot of the oxygen.

 

[Quickstatus]

Do you also assume QF doesn't have enough planes to operate SYD-MEL vv given the regularity of cancellations..

Fair question.
It’s harder to get a sense of whether QF is overcommitted in their domestic routes because they have a lot more 737 aircraft and a lot more routes. However it is clear (to me) the 787 fleet and A380 fleet are not overcommitted even though operated at a high tempo with not much reserve. Additionally one aircraft type can substitute for another and QF has deployed a 747 to assist JQ recently, so it is my belief that QF is not generally short on international aircraft when all aircraft are operational and to schedule.

JQ does not gave the luxury with their international fleet.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Awesome! Unlimited freedom to spout unsubstantiated nonsense!

Or risk management?

Do you also assume QF doesn't have enough planes to operate SYD-MEL vv given the regularity of cancellations..

Eg. See the last few days

The QANTAS Source – QANTAS News and Information

QANTAS News and Information

theqantassource.com

I think the difference here is frequency. With flights every 15-30 minutes during peak times the impact of a cancellation is less.

 

[Melburnian1]

...I think the difference here is frequency. With flights every 15-30 minutes during peak times the impact of a cancellation is less.

Agreed, because domestic passenger numbers are (depending on the major route) in most cases growing very slowly or not at all at present, and the two major groups have ended the 'capacity wars.' So domestic flights on the highest frequency routes are being cancelled and passengers transferred to another flight if overall, in a particular time band, there are insufficient bookings for all timetabled flights to operate (from the airlines' perspective.)

The difference with JQi is that with the exception of routes like MEL - DPS, it usually has at most one flight a day on each route, and occasionally just a couple of flights a week. So the effect on passengers can be very deleterious, particularly if they are not allowed to travel on a QF metal flight to the same or a nearby destination (e.g. BKK for HKT.)

 

[nlagalle]

Years of expereince. A list of cancellations. And a potential - but not confirmed - pattern. As I said, at the end of the day, it's not my problem. It's JQ's. Not only from my lost revenue, but other potential pax as well. Reliability is important in airline operations.

But hang on a page back you guys were claiming it was systematic and semi regular. All the rest of us see is what is just cancellations.. and you wonder why no media group bothers to write a story about it? Because there is none.

You are trying to make something that it isn’t!

 

[nlagalle]

Media experience is not a requirement for anything other than working in the “media”. It is being devalued anyway as alternative media sources are taking a lot of the oxygen.

Media experience give you a greater knowledge of what readers want to see.. as I’ve said numerous times this is a very select readership here and the views here do not reflect what is the norm outside. This isn’t a story...

 

[MEL_Traveller]

But hang on a page back you guys were claiming it was systematic and semi regular. All the rest of us see is what is just cancellations.. and you wonder why no media group bothers to write a story about it? Because there is none.

You are trying to make something that it isn’t!

Not at all. Some of us that fly regularly may suspect a pattern. Those who fly infrequently may believe it when they're told the cancellations are random. If there is actually a pattern. infrequent flyers would benefit from reporting in being able to make an informed decision when making bookings.

For those frequent flyers that insist on seeing these are completely random. That's fine. But their view might change when their flight is cancelled and the next one is two days away.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Media experience give you a greater knowledge of what readers want to see.. as I’ve said numerous times this is a very select readership here and the views here do not reflect what is the norm outside. This isn’t a story...

Which is fine from your particular point of view. There will be others working in the media that will have a different view. It's a bit like arguing that being a lawyer means you know the law and there's only one correct interpretation of the law (yours). If that was the case, we'd never have anything going to trial. And we'd never go for a second opinion with a doctor because there's only one diagnosis and one avenue for treatment.

 

[nlagalle]

Not at all. Some of us that fly regularly may suspect a pattern. Those who fly infrequently may believe it when they're told the cancellations are random. If there is actually a pattern. infrequent flyers would benefit from reporting in being able to make an informed decision when making bookings.

So we are back to “suspect” yet a page or so back it’s “semi-regular” and systematic. So we are back to it being “the vibe” hey?

All those cancellations threads show is some cancelled flights. No pattern and certainly not a pattern.

As for infrequent Flyers 99% wouldn’t go looking at cancellations, they’ll look at price and timing.. they certainly wouldn’t end up here looking at cancellation threads.