Lack of curtains separating Business and Economy on 737

[TheRealTMA]

I have seen this happen on numerous occasions on the A380.
It drives me mad to be in a queue after breakfast to get changed and someone comes out after a lengthy spell holding J amenities and PJs and saunters back upstairs. Even worse when the pax in front of you in the queue are from J.
It’s an absolute joke.
If I’m upstairs in the A380 I never go and use the F toilets.
I don’t know what makes them think they are entitled to do this ?

Tell them to bu**er off!

 

[LoaderTosh]

Meanwhile I watched a J pax head back to the Y loos multiple times on a recent flight...

Probably too many Y pax queuing for J loos and Y loos the only ones available.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I have seen this happen on numerous occasions on the A380.
It drives me mad to be in a queue after breakfast to get changed and someone comes out after a lengthy spell holding J amenities and PJs and saunters back upstairs. Even worse when the pax in front of you in the queue are from J.
It’s an absolute joke.
If I’m upstairs in the A380 I never go and use the F toilets.
I don’t know what makes them think they are entitled to do this ?

A simple magnetic rope on the a380 stairs - similar to VA’s 737 set up - could solve this problem. Some other airlines already do this.

 

[Quickstatus]

Nothing justifies J pax using the F toilets

I don’t know what makes them think they are entitled to do this ?

Au contraire.
Ive been the A380 a couple of times in J when I was explicitly allowed FLoo access.

Access to other cabins are in the gift of the FA/CSM and are usually given for "operational" reasons. In my case one FLoo visit was because I had a severe case of Droopy J (they must have felt sorry for me), and in another case one of the JLoos was out of action. In my case, x2 entitlements created by the FA/CSM - think of it as an Op-Up to the FLoos, not at all different to an Op-Up to an FSeat which I have also experienced.

Hey if airlines can Op-Down, then can also Op-Up

Some examples of Op-Up which may cause people to feel aggrieved:
To Seat, different cabin, exit row, bulkhead
Higher cabin Jim Jams
Higher cabin Plonk/food
And to this we should add Loos

 

[encryptededdy]

A simple magnetic rope on the a380 stairs

But then F pax would have to remove the rope to use the lounge

 

[MEL_Traveller]

But then F pax would have to remove the rope to use the lounge

Indeed. Do many F pax use it? I never have! Other than my very first EK a380 flight I don’t even go to the bar as that’s sort of a J class bar.

Speaking of J class using Y lavs… on out MEL-SYD a few weeks ago a J class pax decided to use Y class… then got caught behind the service carts and expected all the crew to move everything to accommodate their passage back to J. The head cabin crew asked ‘why did you have to go down here’ to which the reply was ‘I was just going for a walk’.

It was a one hour flight! And caused disruption to the 200+ people in the main cabin.

 

[blackcat20]

Probably too many Y pax queuing for J loos and Y loos the only ones available.

No that wasn't the case

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Indeed. Do many F pax use it? I never have! Other than my very first EK a380 flight I don’t even go to the bar as that’s sort of a J class bar.

Speaking of J class using Y lavs… on out MEL-SYD a few weeks ago a J class pax decided to use Y class… then got caught behind the service carts and expected all the crew to move everything to accommodate their passage back to J. The head cabin crew asked ‘why did you have to go down here’ to which the reply was ‘I was just going for a walk’.

It was a one hour flight! And caused disruption to the 200+ people in the main cabin.

The lounge is a great place to go if your 1yo is refusing to sleep on a 14 hour F flight

 

[milehighclub]

A simple magnetic rope on the a380 stairs - similar to VA’s 737 set up - could solve this problem. Some other airlines already do this.

Sadly, magnetic ropes, stop no one. On the 737 it may work as a deterrent because there are other passengers nearby and crew right in front of it. On the A380 that forward area is mostly unsupervised, so rope or not, it won't stop people.

The QF 380 did have a magnetic leather strap at one point (made from same material as the red couch), needless to say spent more time putting it back, from just how often people disconnected it.

 

[SeatBackForward]

Indeed. Do many F pax use it? I never have! Other than my very first EK a380 flight I don’t even go to the bar as that’s sort of a J class bar.

Speaking of J class using Y lavs… on out MEL-SYD a few weeks ago a J class pax decided to use Y class… then got caught behind the service carts and expected all the crew to move everything to accommodate their passage back to J. The head cabin crew asked ‘why did you have to go down here’ to which the reply was ‘I was just going for a walk’.

It was a one hour flight! And caused disruption to the 200+ people in the main cabin.

Don't they bring the lounge and bar to you in F ?

 

[Daver6]

But then F pax would have to remove the rope to use the lounge

Surely QF can place a bouncer to let F pax through the rope and keep the J riff raff out?

 

[Muppet501st]

I’ve sent a young lady, do the Limbo under the VA J rope!!

 

[Ade]

Same as the people in rows 25+ that are told to board via rear stairs but they use the front stairs and push their way all the way to the back.

OT - UL does this very well. There is a staff that stands a few meters before the front stairs and divert pax based on the seat numbers

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Even J will put bags in Y lockers.

You mean the other way around? Y pax put bags in J lockers?

 

[OhSusannah!]

I have seen this happen on numerous occasions on the A380.
It drives me mad to be in a queue after breakfast to get changed and someone comes out after a lengthy spell holding J amenities and PJs and saunters back upstairs. Even worse when the pax in front of you in the queue are from J.
It’s an absolute joke.
If I’m upstairs in the A380 I never go and use the F toilets.
I don’t know what makes them think they are entitled to do this ?

One of the perks flying F is only sharing the toilet ( which of course doubles as a change area) with a dozen other people! I get it!!!

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Nothing justifies J pax using the F toilets. However, QF have to an extent, created this problem themselves by a lack of J toilets. It's ridiculous how few there are for so many pax given the fares charged.

Agree! They need more toilets and a changing area in Business and First!

 

[bussyboy]

I'm barely as well travelled as most in this forum, but I've never noticed anything in marketing materials that suggest business gets their own privileged bathroom facilities on board

 

[marki]

Sadly, magnetic ropes, stop no one. On the 737 it may work as a deterrent because there are other passengers nearby and crew right in front of it. On the A380 that forward area is mostly unsupervised, so rope or not, it won't stop people.

The QF 380 did have a magnetic leather strap at one point (made from same material as the red couch), needless to say spent more time putting it back, from just how often people disconnected it.

I guess if you have to go, it is better than what

Gérard Depardieu​

He had to do it in the aisle of an aeroplane while taking off!

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I'm barely as well travelled as most in this forum, but I've never noticed anything in marketing materials that suggest business gets their own privileged bathroom facilities on board

Business is usually marketed as a separate, private cabin. Qantas’ marketing for example says:

[Business is] A superior way to fly. For work or play, explore Business with more space to relax, a dedicated cabin, the freshest seasonal ingredients in the sky, lounge access and our friendly cabin crew ready to look after you.​

​

Business | Qantas AU

With dedicated check-in, fine Australian dining and more space to stretch out onboard, you'll enjoy the benefits of flying with us in Business.

www.qantas.com

There are placards on the cabin dividers to the effect that business class passengers only are permitted forward, except in an emergency.

 

[SeatBackForward]

2x Domestic QF sectors on 737's. Both flights they made announcements for passengers in rows 4+ to use the two toilets in the back. One passenger did try to use the front on one flight and the FA in the front Galley politely pointed him towards the rear. She must've remembers each passenger in the J seats I suppose?

 

[AIRwin]

She must've remembers each passenger in the J seats I suppose?

Or she could see they were all in their seats?

 

[SeatBackForward]

Or she could see they were all in their seats?

This could also be true, as it was a full flight.

 

[Hampton Mike]

Or simply saw the interloper walk through past row 4