MH 777 missing - MH370 media statement

[SeatBackForward]

Do we know that the auto pilot was on?
If something happened that disconnected comms, could that have also disconnected A/P?
If A/P was disconnected, and (say) all electrics were out, could the pilots have flown the plane, or would it have continued in a straight line until they ran out of fuel?

But the timing of those events don't align. The comms was knocked out before all the changes in direction occurred, and the way those changes occurred, they appear to be deliberate.

Also from what I've gathered, the satellite "pings" can't confirm that the plane did in fact fly in a straight line? only that it was within an arc of area.

 

[markis10]

But the timing of those events don't align. The comms was knocked out before all the changes in direction occurred, and the way those changes occurred, they appear to be deliberate.

Also from what I've gathered, the satellite "pings" can't confirm that the plane did in fact fly in a straight line? only that it was within an arc of area.

The loss of comms was not at the same time either.

 

[drron]

Do we know that the auto pilot was on?
If something happened that disconnected comms, could that have also disconnected A/P?
If A/P was disconnected, and (say) all electrics were out, could the pilots have flown the plane, or would it have continued in a straight line until they ran out of fuel?

So how did the plane make a turn back?
Remember in the first press release issued it was said that last contact was at 0240.
Then later it was announced that military radar tracked it until 0240.
So makes it very unlikely that the whole electrics were out.

 

[mikenz]

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So makes it very unlikely that the whole electrics were out.

Or just unlikley that the electrics were out at the same time as the diversion.

Couldn't it be possible that there was an incident, the pilots tried to turn back to KL/Langkawi, while closing down systems (and disabling A/P). Is it then possible that they lost all control or became incapacitated at which point the plane continued in the direction it was heading when that happened?

This is a genuine question, I don't know if a plane could continue on it's heading indefinitely without any human intervention.

 

[markis10]

So how did the plane make a turn back?
Remember in the first press release issued it was said that last contact was at 0240.
Then later it was announced that military radar tracked it until 0240.
So makes it very unlikely that the whole electrics were out.

Military radar tracking would have nothing to do with the electrics.

 

[SeatBackForward]

Flight MH370: Police investigate whether food on missing plane was poisoned

Police are investigating whether the food served on board the missing Malaysian airliner was poisoned.

They are also retracing every piece of cargo that was loaded on to the Boeing 777, including tons of mangosteens, a tropical Asian fruit with a leathery shell surrounding moist, fragrant snow-white flesh.

Flight MH370: Police investigate whether food on missing plane was poisoned

The really odd thing is, for every possible explanation, there seems to be a counter-explanation. For instance, pilots are given different meals, to reduce the chances of food poisoning having an effect..

 

[browski]

Word from the Chinese families is that they accept the deaths but they do not accept the North / South arc evidence.

If the Sat Pings were ignored where on earth would the investigators search; does anybody know what the Search and Rescue approach was in the early days before satellite data?

 

[defurax]

Tons of durians I could understand...but mangosteens...that's unlikely!

 

[lovetravellingoz]

You've since ... agreed you meant conjecture. .

Since you want to be pedantic. Please quote where in fact I have agreed that I meant conjecture? Or is it one rule for me, and another for you when writing on this forum?

 

[lovetravellingoz]

The really odd thing is, for every possible explanation, there seems to be a counter-explanation. For instance, pilots are given different meals, to reduce the chances of food poisoning having an effect..

And even if food poisoning was at play, it would not have taken out both pilots at the exactly the same time, as body mass, metabolisms are all different. ie as per the unfortunate mother and daughter food poisoning in Bali.

And a quicker poison, would mean some form of active human intervention.

 

[drron]

Military radar tracking would have nothing to do with the electrics.

Of course but my point was that the military radar supported the initial press release from MAS that contact was lost at 0240 rather than an hour earlier when voice contact was lost so that they knew it had made that turn at the beginning of this mystery.
So what dramatic event could cause the electrics to go out but enable the plane to fly for another hour and have prevented the pilots from making a mayday call.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Perhaps the failure did not take out electronics/comms............just the two people who knew how to use it? (yes I know it's not likely).

Which is the same two people that knew how to re-program the autopilot, unless of course they had the Flying Hi model on board.

To remain flying in the manner that occurred required the action of a person.

 

[Alanslegal]

Isn't the "jump seat" usually inside the coughpit, hence you wouldn't see them, otherwise they'd be leaving the door open, asking you to give it a shot...?

Sorry I should have said the flight attendant's seat, the ones they use during takeoff/landing etc [I just assumed it was a jump seat]. So the guard always watching the cabin. I couldn't see/tell if he was armed or not, but apparently I google'd and see some dramatic incidents on RJ including the shooting of someone dead mid-flight :shock:

 

[Deleted member 29185]

Which is the same two people that knew how to re-program the autopilot, unless of course they had the Flying Hi model on board.

To remain flying in the manner that occurred required the action of a person.

And your point being? This is a serious thread where plenty of people have speculated, but that's about all. You're now acting a lot like a child in a revolving door. If you wish to round and round, that's OK but please do it without me, I'm getting dizzy! :shock:

 

[lovetravellingoz]

And your point being? This is a serious thread where plenty of people have speculated, but that's about all. You're now acting a lot like a child in a revolving door. If you wish to round and round, that's OK but please do it without me, I'm getting dizzy! :shock:

My point being that if the pilots were taken out, that they could not have reprogrammed the auto-pilot which would have been required for the remainder of the flight due to directional changes, unless of course that a pilot or pilots were still flying. I have already posted a link as to the difficulty of that task.

As to being a serious thread, I have given you serious reasoned responses based on logic and what is known from technical experts and /or my own professional experience. That such responses do not match with your theories I cannot help.

 

[straitman]

My point being that if the pilots were taken out, that they could not have reprogrammed the auto-pilot which would have been required for the remainder of the flight due to directional changes, unless of course that a pilot or pilots were still flying. I have already posted a link as to the difficulty of that task.

With a 'little' basic knowledge reprogramming (as you put it) a flight director or auto-pilot is very simple indeed.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

With a 'little' basic knowledge reprogramming (as you put it) a flight director or auto-pilot is very simple indeed.

Agreed. As long as someone has the knowledge for the task and are on the right side of the locked coughpit door...and of course as long as they are conscious. Which gets back to human intervention of some type from persons unknown, which may or may not have included the pilot/s..

 

[Deleted member 29185]

My point being that if the pilots were taken out

Your point is to support your theory. That's fine. If you had bothered to read any of my posts, you'd know "my theory" is not my theory at all and is but pure conjecture.....same as yours. If you'd read any of my posts you'd have noticed some questions which relate to the issue you so strenuously defend.......I noticed you haven't addressed any of the questions, but I'd say, please don't bother, as much as I find this whole event to be tragic, I'm really not interested in the p#ssing competition you "professionally experienced" gurus are involved in. As I said, my posts were questions. You stated "fact" in at least two of your posts........fact that you cannot as yet back up with evidence. I didn't write your words for you so just get over it. You may be right, you may be wrong, that's all we do know as fact!

 

[kpc]

I think you 2 should chill out a bit or take your arguments offline....

 

[Deleted member 29185]

I think you 2 should chill out a bit or take your arguments offline....

I think those are very wise words!