MH 777 missing - MH370 media statement

[OATEK]

BBC just reported the following:

"Malaysia ends search for MH370, officially declares disappearance of plane in Indian Ocean in March 2014 an accident."

More detail here: Malaysia officially declares disappearance of MH370 aircraft an accident, all on board dead - South-east Asia News & Top Stories - The Straits Times

 

[whatmeworry]

Any Indication how long they will be willing to search for the missing plane?

 

[anat0l]

Any Indication how long they will be willing to search for the missing plane?

Who's going to run out of cash (money or in-kind) first?

 

[OATEK]

A report today in the Australian about plans by ICAO to have aircraft report their positions very 15 mins "in response to the loss of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370". Out for comment apparently.

 

[Boris spatsky]

A report today in the Australian about plans by ICAO to have aircraft report their positions very 15 mins "in response to the loss of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370". Out for comment apparently.

That's an interesting concept for oceanic ops. Sometimes it takes 15 minutes to get anyone on HF!

 

[Himeno]

That's an interesting concept for oceanic ops. Sometimes it takes 15 minutes to get anyone on HF!

It would most likely be an ACARS position report mandated every 15 mins.

 

[Boris spatsky]

It would most likely be an ACARS position report mandated every 15 mins.

You would hope that it would be some form of automated response - apparently the method of contact is 'up for discussion'.

 

[Awesom Andy]

Given ACARS was turned off, and the radio went silent, it would make no difference for MH370.

 

[UP4014]

A report today in the Australian about plans by ICAO to have aircraft report their positions very 15 mins "in response to the loss of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370". Out for comment apparently.

Only useful if it can't be turned off from the plane. Why not just make a current system with a lockout?

Matt

 

[QFflyermelbourne]

Interested to get people's reactions to this...

How Crazy Am I to Think I Know Where MH370 Is? -- NYMag

 

[jb747]

That's an interesting concept for oceanic ops. Sometimes it takes 15 minutes to get anyone on HF!

Only 15 minutes? Not getting a reply at all is quite normal...

 

[jb747]

Only useful if it can't be turned off from the plane. Why not just make a current system with a lockout?

What sort of 'lockout' would that be? The ability to turn systems off has to exist in case of fire...and unless you plan on totally rewiring every aircraft in the world, you'd be able to kill any system by removing power from the appropriate bus.

 

[medhead]

Interested to get people's reactions to this...

How Crazy Am I to Think I Know Where MH370 Is? -- NYMag

Load of cough was my reaction when my brother emailed it to me.

Now on a computer, to expand on the issues I have with the theory:

1. The author says this is a complex undertaking. Russia initiated this complex attack within 2 days of sanctions being imposed by the USA.
2. The Russians attacked an aircraft from Malaysia that was mostly full of Chinese people to get back at the USA. I fail to see how that hurts the USA.
3. The russians did this as a demonstration of their capability to take any aircraft. Except no one knows the russians did this, great demonstration when no one knows. Then there is the author's view that the attack was only possible for a very small number of aircraft and flight routes - so not able to take any aircraft then.
4. The runway is the only one in the world purpose built for auto landing aircraft. An implausible claim that I raised in the Ask the Pilot thread. The british auto landed aircraft in 1968. So no one has built a runway design for auto landing aircraft in the following 46 years even with auto landing aircraft coming into service in great numbers? All these auto landing aircraft flying around and only the russians have built an auto landing runway then not even for a aeroplane but a spaceship?
5. The runway is at least 10km away from other substantial structures.
6. There is no feature that looks like the burial pit near the runway. But it is hard to tell given the author has only provided zoomed in views and not shown that building/pit in relation to the runway. (I wonder why?)
7. The author claims they had 90 minutes before sunrise to hide the aircraft. What the USA doesn't have IR capable satellites?
8. What is the point of the aircraft outline over the bulldozed pit? That they buried the aircraft? They couldn't have hidden it under a tarp on that sight since the surface would drastically change over night.
9. So they had 90 minutes to get the people off, drag the aircraft 10 km on perhaps ordinary roads to the bulldozed pit, then drag it off road entirely to the pit and then bulldoze dirt over it. Logistically difficult IMO.
10. The building remediation started in October 2013. The disappearance of MH370 was apparently in response to sanctions that resulted from the Ukraine crisis that started in late November 2014 and really kicked off in February 2014, less than a month before the aircraft disappeared. So the russians knew 6 months in advance that they would need a pit at the cosmodrome because of a situation that was yet to really kick off and that had uncertainty in terms of development and escalation. The russians could see the future that the USA would impose sanctions in 6 months time?

It is weak, and that weakness is reflected in the response that the author has detailed.

Oh and I'm not claiming the points above aren't contradictory, some of them are mutually exclusive. If one is right, another will be wrong.

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

Meanwhile we taxpayers are still footing the bill for the search off WA...

 

[jb747]

Load of cough was my reaction when my brother emailed to me.

Agreed......

 

[tgh]

The perfect crime.. perfect planning and perfect execution.. not a trace...

 

[medhead]

Meanwhile we taxpayers are still footing the bill for the search off WA...

I've heard a whisper that the taxpayers are footing the bill for a heap of oil and gas exploration. I wonder what contractual restrictions have been placed on the use of the data gathered during the search.

 

[Himeno]

Load of cough was my reaction when my brother emailed it to me.

There's also the people who claim that the aircraft shot down as MH17 (9M-MRD) was MH370 (9M-MRO), or that the former MH 777 which was returned to the leaser shortly before the 370 incident and stored in Israel (9M-MRI) is related.

 

[Awesom Andy]

I wonder how much money we would make if we sell some of the contents of the thread to Hollywood...

 

[Mal]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/mh370-report-underwater-locator-beacon-074311771.html
Interesting.

"KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) -- The first comprehensive report into the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 revealed Sunday that the battery of the locator beacon for the plane's data recorder had expired more than a year before the jet vanished on March 8, 2014."

While not directly responsible for the downing, pretty sad to see this maintenance lapse.

Also

"It also said 221 kilograms (487 pounds) of lithium ion batteries packed by Motorola Solutions in Malaysia's Penang state didn't go through security screening at Penang airport.*"

"The report said the batteries were not regulated as dangerous goods."*

Yet another lapse.