MH 777 missing - MH370 media statement

[lukenet]

Not watching it Prozac, but I trust your description. How can you make a doco without facts??

The same way they make any news show these days?

 

[Robbi]

Nice theory. But that is a long, long way to not get picked up on anyone's radar. Particularly as to do it you would have to fly low, and in flying low someone is going to notice such a big jet.

And burn a lot more fuel at low altitude so range would be somewhat reduced.

 

[travel193]

Not sure if this incident has been shared already, but just though I'd add it to the mix.

The 727 that Vanished | History | Air & Space Magazine

 

[ermen]

I would get a log of all the passenger's mobiles phones and examine roaming records. There would bound to be someone who forgot to switch off their phone during flight. If the flight flew back over land (i.e. back west across Malaysia), then hopefully, one of this records would have picked it up (and the changing base station). Could be a good line of inquiry to follow up (to at least cross the dots out)...

 

[ozbeachbabe]

I saw BA Capt Eric Moody interviewed on Sky News UK with regards to aircraft monitoring by the USA & he said even back in 1982 when flight BA9, under his command, lost all 4 engines en-route from KUL to PER that the USA were monitoring flights.

In my big incident which was in 1982, it took me 13 years to find out that the Americans were actually monitoring my flight by satellite..
.....well I only guessed that something had happened because an engineer from Boeing told me he had a phone call from Seattle just before or just after I'd made the decision we were going to go back and land in Jakarta which we did 25 minutes later, he was there & he had a 45 minute drive so it was fairly obvious there was something going on that we don't know about......

Also the below link has details on a safety breach that happened on an MH A330 back in 2000 when a Chinese company falsely declared the contents of 80 canisters as being a powder chemical substance when it in fact contained highly corrosive oxalyl chloride which caused damage to the aircraft fuselage several of the canisters leaked so severe that the aircaft was considered beyond repair.

Could a similar incident have happened to the 9M-MRO on either MH370 or on a previous flight?

ASN Aircraft accident Airbus A330-322 9M-MKB Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KUL)

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/3246-mas-9m-mkb.html

 

[RooFlyer]

I saw BA Capt Eric Moody interviewed on Sky News UK with regards to aircraft monitoring by the USA & he said even back in 1982 when flight BA9, under his command, lost all 4 engines en-route from KUL to PER that the USA were monitoring flights.

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That's what I was wondering in a post a few pages back - whether the US or other military monitored civil aviation flights via satellite. Technically I can't imagine it being difficult and again you can imagine the US being interested in anything in the sky which may endanger their interests (bases, ships, embassies). I can visualize some computer tracking planes and checking against flight paths, with deviations sending an alert etc etc. Given that most flights track normally, it wouldn't be that big an operation within the entire US military or 'homeland security'.

 

[Mal]

Well this article indicates the US Govt 'knows something'.
http://www.themalaymailonline.com/m...-has-indication-mh370-crashed-in-indian-ocean

 

[jehane]

Not such a long bow and it does say a lot about the country.

Twenty-three percent of Malaysians are Chinese and not one of them is in the top rank of public servants?

A jobs for the boys type of club? Pardon the pun.

That's a bit misleading. I haven't seen it said anywhere that there were no ethnically Chinese in the top rank of public servants, merely that they had to go to the junior ranks to find someone who speaks Chinese. You have to keep in mind that they were presumably looking for someone who speaks Mandarin, the official dialect of China, when the main dialects of Chinese spoken in Malaysia are Cantonese and Hokkien. And no, the spoken dialects are not interchangeable. So it could be that there are some public servants at a higher rank who are Chinese, but they don't speak Mandarin.

Having said that, Malaysia is well known for its bumiputra policy and it is certainly true that it is a lot harder for a non-Malay (not just Chinese, there is also a sizeable Indian population) to get promoted above a certain level in the public service.

 

[SamR]

Well this article indicates the US Govt 'knows something'.
http://www.themalaymailonline.com/m...-has-indication-mh370-crashed-in-indian-ocean

Interesting. I hope it's not another wild goose chase.

 

[QF WP]

I watched the Ch7 program last night but they really only looked at all the theories - good water cooler talk today.

C'mon USA and China - spill the beans

 

[JohnK]

Well this article indicates the US Govt 'knows something'.

We have reason to believe MH370 crashed in the Indian Ocean.

Why is everyone being so secretive?

 

[JessicaTam]

MH have refuted that engine data showed the aircraft flew for an additional 4 hours. As reported on AM this morning.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

We have reason to believe MH370 crashed in the Indian Ocean.

Why is everyone being so secretive?

that's easy to answer! there was obviously highly sensitive material on the aircraft, and the navy of whichever country had to find the wreckage, recover the material, leave the scene to cover their tracks, and now report they are rushing back there!!

but seriously... with all these warships plying the Indian Ocean (and everywhere else) you would have thought their radar would have picked something up right? I mean if they didn't, heaven help up us if some country launches an airborne or missile strike on us... are we saying we are that unprepared that our military is not keeping watch on everything?

(and if they're not... they should be!!!)

 

[Intra]

Been following this topic from the start.... Why haven't we found the plane!?

My heart goes out to the victims families & friends. This is just terrible

You all have almost covered every theory thinkable, so I won't add to the pile

 

[markis10]

Its looking more and more like a deliberate act from the coughpit:

The data reporting system, they believe, was shut down 1:07 a.m. The transponder — which transmits location and altitude — shut down at 1:21 a.m.

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]That's according to US officials (unnamed) who presumably are working with the satellite providers and their logs. Its quite possible to shut down both ACARs in the coughpit and the secondary radar transponder, yet still get the satcom pinging the satellite and engines feeding data, in both cases the network is still there, just end bits shut down. Now factor in the military radar plot that had them flying at FL295 which is just above controlled airspace but at an altitude where its unlikely to encounter much traffic, things do get interesting, especially as the track parallels the FIR boundaries of both adjoining areas of responsibility, Thai and Indonesia.[/FONT]

 

[drron]

Depends on how the US got it's info.If it was one of it's nuclear subs they really don't want to give it's position.Plenty of other reasons why they may want to keep the source secret.

 

[Warks]

Here's 16 possible (with some far-fetched) scenarios:

Where Is the Plane? 16 Possible Scenarios

Not a bad summary. I guess it could still fall outside these.

 

[Anna]

Why haven't we found the plane!?

I'm beginning to think that MAS and the Malaysian authorities don't actually want to find it, because they will have too much to answer for if it is found.

Bits of wreckage are going to start washing up on beaches pretty soon though, and then others will start piecing together the tidal movements and will locate it.

 

[moa999]

Its looking more and more like a deliberate act from the coughpit:
The data reporting system, they believe, was shut down 1:07 a.m. The transponder — which transmits location and altitude — shut down at 1:21 a.m.

The data reporting system (I believe the one to Boeing) only transmits every half hour or so, whereas the transponder is a more continuous transmitter (that admittedly can be turned off).

Combined with the reports from the oil rig worker,
I still think some form of fire that cut communications sytems first is the most likely outcome.

Note in the map shown above you would expect some Thai radar installations to have also seen the aircraft as it crossed their airspace.

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As for why we haven't found the plane...
One of the Sydney papers did a great example yesterday.

Like finding a single 5c piece placed on the turf of the SCG. Not easy.

 

[JessicaTam]

Its looking more and more like a deliberate act from the coughpit:

Is it possible to determine if the systems have been shut down, vs have stopped working due to a catastrophic failure? Is there some form of signal? The quote seems pretty definite so just after some clarity.