MH 777 missing - MH370 media statement

[medhead]

They probably have to do immigration things on entering the country after the ferry flight. But once searching nothing should be required because they shouldn't land in another country.

 

[rechoboam]

Seems like the voice of reason to me.

Here is the tracking based on eye-witness reports - looks plausible.
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I would lay money on this one. Ockham's razor in action.

 

[medhead]

I would lay money on this one. Ockham's razor in action.

The big problem with that one is the final ping that has them on a certain arc from the receiving satellite 7 hours after the known final position. The line of that arc passes over the west end of Java and the picture is in thread already. This theory says they traveled west but 7 hours later they are apparently in any direction except west.

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This is why it'd be helpful to know the degree positions of the earlier pings. It'd say if they were moving towards the satellite, away or neither.

 

[drron]

And yet another with a theory.This time it is on the ground in Pakistan-
Lt. Gen McInerney: Flight 370 Could Have Landed in Pakistan | Fox News Insider

 

[DalyWaters]

And yet another with a theory.This time it is on the ground in Pakistan-
Lt. Gen McInerney: Flight 370 Could Have Landed in Pakistan | Fox News Insider

Which presupposes that Captain Zaharie is a devout Muslim. I read he is an atheist.

 

[moa999]

The problem with all the 'Stan theories is that even if the passengers were knocked out/asphyxiated in their climb to 45,000 ft, I would find it extremely difficult to believe that their wasn't one cell phone/ tablet not in Airplane Mode, that would have reconnected at some point as the plane passed over semi-populated areas or ultimately landed.

Am thus more inclined to believe the Southern Arc search

 

[prozac]

The problem with all the 'Stan theories is that even if the passengers were knocked out/asphyxiated in their climb to 45,000 ft, I would find it extremely difficult to believe that their wasn't one cell phone/ tablet not in Airplane Mode, that would have reconnected at some point as the plane passed over semi-populated areas or ultimately landed.

Am thus more inclined to believe the Southern Arc search

Internet/mobile coverage may have been blocked by a device onboard.

 

[Archphoto]

Just had to use Yahoo mail to send some information, and this is a "Top Story" - Maldives is being bandied about quite heavily right now:

Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 : Student claims to have spotted missing plane on satellite - Yahoo!7

 

[drron]

Which presupposes that Captain Zaharie is a devout Muslim. I read he is an atheist.

Not relevant if he had a gun at his head.Remember last voice contact was with the first officer not the captain.

 

[markis10]

A CANADIAN pilot with 20 years experience has a simple theory regarding the disappearance of flight MH370.

Chris Goodfellow, a veteran flyer, isn’t buying any of the complicated ideas that have been floated by aviation experts since the plane vanished 11 days ago.
In a lengthy Google+ post, Goodfellow argues that the missing Malaysia Airlines flight probably fell victim to a fire, not a hijacking.

Is this the most plausible theory on missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370? | News.com.au

A pilot would know if you have issues, you would not head to LGK when PEN is much closer and has a lest constrained approach, similar runway, besides depending on the wind LGK has a terrible approach. And then there is butterworth as well.

 

[drron]

Just had to use Yahoo mail to send some information, and this is a "Top Story" - Maldives is being bandied about quite heavily right now:

Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 : Student claims to have spotted missing plane on satellite - Yahoo!7

Two facts that this story cant overcome.0615 Male time is 0915 KUL time so it would have to have been in the air nearly 9 hours.Extremely unlikely.
Second Male is not on the ping ring and another ping would have been sent at 0911 which the plane should have acknowledged if still in the air.

 

[Robbi]

The problem with all the 'Stan theories is that even if the passengers were knocked out/asphyxiated in their climb to 45,000 ft, I would find it extremely difficult to believe that their wasn't one cell phone/ tablet not in Airplane Mode, that would have reconnected at some point as the plane passed over semi-populated areas or ultimately landed.

Am thus more inclined to believe the Southern Arc search

Would that not presuppose said device could connect to the local mobile phone network in whatever country it passed over or landed in?

How well do mobile phones connect to networks anyway from 40,000 feet? Especially if not in a window seat.

 

[Archphoto]

Two facts that this story cant overcome.0615 Male time is 0915 KUL time so it would have to have been in the air nearly 9 hours.Extremely unlikely.
Second Male is not on the ping ring and another ping would have been sent at 0911 which the plane should have acknowledged if still in the air.

Just goes to prove, that the media won't let the truth stand in the way of a good "story"; why bother checking the facts when they can just print whatever and most of the population on the planet will run with it as fact. . . . :mrgreen:

We AFFers however, like to dig a little deeper to support (or disprove) their/our theories. Will be interesting to see who came close to the actual facts when they do find this plane - if they ever do.

 

[Archphoto]

Would that not presuppose said device could connect to the local mobile phone network in whatever country it passed over or landed in?

How well do mobile phones connect to networks anyway from 40,000 feet? Especially if not in a window seat.

I'm one of those people who has accidentally left their phone on during a long flight (was my 2nd phone and I thought i'd turned it off prior to takeoff - it actually did ring as we were taxied after landing, and I felt like a total tool!!!)

I had no idea that it had been on, and not one message from any phone carrier saying I'd connected to a network at any stage. I was kind of hoping it would say it had (just from an interest point of view - Will it/Won't it connect? Does it/Does it not connect? Which carrier/s did it connect to?)

One and only time I've done it - the second phone is now most definitely switched off prior to boarding, with my main one turned off when the doors have closed.

 

[QF WP]

Is this the most plausible theory on missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370? | News.com.au

I think this theory would mean be good if the plane has crashed soon after the turn around point – and should have been found by now. An fire onboard can cripple communications and stop electrical/hydraulic (engines) – and will kill the passengers and crew as they run out of oxygen. This would make the NZ witness story (on the oil rig) plausible. Surely it couldn't have travelled very far with fire (increasing in intensity) on board.

I’d put faith in ANYTHING that Greg Feith says (at the end of the story) – former NTSB investigator and was on many Air Crash Investigation stories. I'll bet jb747 is thinking the same thing.

 

[markis10]

Is this the most plausible theory on missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370? | News.com.au

I think this theory would mean be good if the plane has crashed soon after the turn around point – and should have been found by now. An fire onboard can cripple communications and stop electrical/hydraulic (engines) – and will kill the passengers and crew as they run out of oxygen. This would make the NZ witness story (on the oil rig) plausible. Surely it couldn't have travelled very far with fire (increasing in intensity) on board.

I’d put faith in ANYTHING that Greg Feith says (at the end of the story) – former NTSB investigator and was on many Air Crash Investigation stories. I'll bet jb747 is thinking the same thing.

Problem is he lacks geographic knowledge, you try to get to the nearest capable airport ASAP, overflying Butterworth/Penang not to mention Kota Bahru for a runway that has effectively only one approach from the sea with mountains at the end does not seem to gel???

 

[Robbi]

I'm one of those people who has accidentally left their phone on during a long flight (was my 2nd phone and I thought i'd turned it off prior to takeoff - it actually did ring as we were taxied after landing, and I felt like a total tool!!!)

I had no idea that it had been on, and not one message from any phone carrier saying I'd connected to a network at any stage. I was kind of hoping it would say it had (just from an interest point of view - Will it/Won't it connect? Does it/Does it not connect? Which carrier/s did it connect to?)

One and only time I've done it - the second phone is now most definitely switched off prior to boarding, with my main one turned off when the doors have closed.

Once on the ground I can understand because personal experience shows we can text/talk once FA gives permission, but in the air I am not so sure. I don't think the radiation pattern from the towers favours aircraft 11 km overhead.

Done a bit of reading and 10,000 feet is considered an upper limit for good connection, up to 30,000 feet may work with lots of dropouts. Also mobile phone cells are designed to 'hand over' from one to another at speeds of up to 100-160km/h, above that the time is too short for handover to occur reliably.

PS: don't take that as gospel, feel free to improve upon it.

 

[moa999]

Would that not presuppose said device could connect to the local mobile phone network in whatever country it passed over or landed in?
How well do mobile phones connect to networks anyway from 40,000 feet? Especially if not in a window seat.

All I can tell you (from being on the receiving end of a previous boss who smashed out emails during flight) is that a Blackberry connects at least five times between SYD and PER with sufficient service to get outgoing emails away (noting that BB uses much less bandwidth than competing platforms).
And that is less populated than the northern arc.

 

[QF WP]

I believe the answer is in the first part of this story:

Why didn’t passengers on missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 use their phones? | News.com.au

Now, could anybody with a satellite phone have had any luck?

 

[defurax]

Now, could anybody with a satellite phone have had any luck?

Always good to have in your carry-on bag:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...mmunications_with_detachment_headquarters.jpg