NBN Discussion

[Quickstatus]

Can you even get more than one NBN connection to one house?

Yes, Yes, Yes/No, Yes

1) Yes if you have FW or FTTP. You get an NTD which allows 4 separate connections to 4 different provideds

2) Yes if you have SM but you need to arrange a second LocID with NBN. Or the second LocID can be for FW if you are close to a FW tower

3)Yes/No if you have vDSL type NBN (FTTN and FTTC). You need a second LocID and a second lead in which is physically separated from the original leadin to prevent crosstalk. Lead-ins which have more than one copper pair would have signal degradation if both are used for vDSL

4) Yes. If you have HFC, it’s easier to get a second HFC connection.

 

[Quickstatus]

We have two phone lines - one business and one personal. Can someone tell me how I can keep both?

This is the easy bit - sort of

ABB has a router “Netcomm NF18ACV” which acts as a router for any type of NBN technology.

The beauty is that it is VoIP capable for 2 phone numbers. The router has 2 phone ports. However you only need one NBN connection. Just port both numbers to ABB

VoIP can be tricky to setup. So it sometimes pays for a VoIP provider to provide a True plug and play VoIP system with a service backup.

No NBN RSP will truly support VoIP as it is a low revenue sideshow to the main NBN connection.

I feel for you all, our FTTP works great

And I hope you are using the maximum speed 100/40?

 

[Lynda2475]

Yes, they did say a week as per my post but given that I would still be in Europe and want the internet working on my return, I was trying to arrange everything before my 3 month absence.

Given there has already been a nbn connection at your house and you already have all the ABB settings, you could reactivate the service online from overseas, you dont need t call, it can all be done formt he webiste.

 

[TomVexille]

And I hope you are using the maximum speed 100/40?

Don't need to. 50/20 supports 4k streaming TV and up to 10ish devices we may have in use at once. I've toyed with the idea of 100/40 but haven't seen the need yet.

 

[moa999]

For a 2nd number go with someone other than Telstra, the Telstra model now is simplicity - they can't handle complex cases.

Other option is go with who you want for NBN and separate for VOIP.
I have a couple of numbers with Siptalk who only do VOIP and have some good priced plans particularly for low usage (they don't do capped bundles)

 

[Quickstatus]

Don't need to. 50/20 supports 4k streaming TV and up to 10ish devices we may have in use at once. I've toyed with the idea of 100/40 but haven't seen the need yet.

That’s our experience as well
Our tenants are now on 25/5 even though they can get 100/40 because their experience is no different on 25/5 compared with 100/40

 

[Lynda2475]

I have 50/20 not because I need 50 down, but because the 20 up makes a huge difference when WFH and needing to submit large files and video calls.

I can stream 4K on amazon Prime, watch Netflix, Stan and Fetch all buffer free perfectly fine on 25/5 but my work appreciates the better upload speed, so I pay for 50/20.

As a single person houselhold with 6-7 devices connected concurrently, I do not need 100/40. Streaming services dont need more than 25/5 I cant watch faster.

Your user experience will be impacted much more by RSP choice (go for one with good CVC, not one that allows congestion) and quality of your inhome wiring (in on FTTN or FTTC ot FFTB) and quality of your gateway/wifi router compared with size of your home. Obviosly anyone opting to only buy 12/1 will have a cough experience when sytreaming, but 25/5 and above should all be fine unless you ahve a very large number of users in your home.

 

[Daver6]

I have 50/20 not because I need 50 down, but because the 20 up makes a huge difference when WFH and needing to submit large files and video calls.

Exactly this! I was on 50/20 and moved to 100/40. I just wanted the extra upload bandwidth.

 

[Buzzard]

With only the 2 of us, we are more than happy with 25/5 considering before the NBN we had 2-3/x

 

[Legoman]

I have just gone onto the NBN, after waiting until I got sick of the warning notes about the looming "shutdown" of ADSL2 in my area. It became available here about 18 months ago. I stayed with iPrimus, not because they are anything special but I have been with them, Internet & landline, for over 15 years on ADSL & ADSL2 and have only been offline for about 2 days over that time. So I decided to stick with the devil I know.

In reality the changeover went much better than I thought. The Internet was back up almost immediately with just one "manual" reset of the modem required. There was a problem with the landline but that has now been fixed. So after three days everything seems to be working ok and the speeds seem close to that advertised. . We don't play on-line games or download movies etc so have started with just a 25mbps unlimited plan as it was faster than our old ADSL2 and that had been fine for us. So I seem to have got off better than many.

Yep it works. So did the ADSL before it. Was that worth $53bn?

Be honest now, can you notice any difference at all in page load times with your spankin' new 25/5 connection compared to your reliable ADSL? I don't stream or game either and I have a 50/20 connection (of which I can only actually realise about half those speeds) and I can only *just* tell a difference.

 

[Lynda2475]

Be honest now, can you notice any difference at all in page load times with your spankin' new 25/5 connection compared to your reliable ADSL

My old ADSL2 was far from reliable, it dropped out whenever it rained as relied on poor condition copper. Further I was lucky to get 3-4Mbs down and <1 Mbps up, so it was not possible to use streaming services like Netflix or iview without severe bufffering , not possible to join video calls when WFH without constant drop outs and uploading work files would take 20 mins or longer.

nbn was a massive improvement on my end, no degradation of service when it rains, streaming and video calls are seemless, huge work files upload in <1min. The $5 a month extra it costs me is so worth it.

ADSL was well past it used by date, if the 7 million homes now connected to nbn were sill relying on ADSL we wouldnt be wfh as effectively as we all are during this pandemic.

 

[JessicaTam]

Yep it works. So did the ADSL before it. Was that worth $53bn?

Be honest now, can you notice any difference at all in page load times with your spankin' new 25/5 connection compared to your reliable ADSL? I don't stream or game either and I have a 50/20 connection (of which I can only actually realise about half those speeds) and I can only *just* tell a difference.

My ADSL was so bad I reverted to tethering to my phone before I got a mobile data device and plan. Nbn is now better than that. So I have had two steps forward.

 

[TheRealTMA]

JT, A few of people seem to be ending their posts with

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What’s all this?

 

[serfty]

Be honest now, can you notice any difference at all in page load times with your spankin' new 25/5 connection compared to your reliable ADSL?

I have some posts up thread, but is eight years ago I moved 1.5Km to a smaller place and went from ~12Mbps to ~5.9Mbps using the same ADSL2+ modem. (Oh and lots of white noise on the land line). Once the phone stopped working and the Internet was a trickle - 5 days late the Telstra guy came to fix and told me one of the twisted pair had disconnected at the junction - hence no 'phone. It was only then I realised ADSL only needed one wire - albeit slow (glacial, even for one used to 6Mbps).

I persevered even deciding when the NBN came through "whenever" to wait the 1½ years before I would "have to Switch".

Well, the NBN did "come through" in January last year, promptly cutting of my service entirely for 10 days. It came back at an untenable 2 to 2½ Mbps so I got a 25/10 NBN FTTCK service and really have not looked back. I now use Chrome cast for a lot of stuff.

 

[Daver6]

Be honest now, can you notice any difference at all in page load times with your spankin' new 25/5 connection compared to your reliable ADSL? I don't stream or game either and I have a 50/20 connection (of which I can only actually realise about half those speeds) and I can only *just* tell a difference.

You're picking one rather simplistic metric to judge the two on. It's a bit like saying are you really going to notice getting from A to B any quicker which is only 50 metres when you're in a Ferrari over a Camry.

What an average user will notice is web page loading won't grind to a halt when sending a 20MB email or uploading some photos/videos.

 

[JessicaTam]

JT, A few of people seem to be ending their posts with

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What’s all this?

I don't know and haven't seen it. Can I suggest a PM to @support as it might be a local problem?

 

[support]

I don't know and haven't seen it. Can I suggest a PM to @support as it might be a local problem?

I think he's talking about a signature, a benefit that comes with a GOLD subscription to AFF, among others.

 

[TheRealTMA]

I think he's talking about a signature, a benefit that comes with a GOLD subscription to AFF, among others.

I don't know and haven't seen it. Can I suggest a PM to @support as it might be a local problem?

Ok. Thanks. It’s not there anymore.

No not related to signature.

Maybe it only happens on Chrome and not the iPad in safari.

Whatever, it doesn’t matter to me. Just thought it was a heads up.

 

[Quickstatus]

(go for one with good CVC, not one that allows congestion)

CVC is generally a moot issue these days. All the major players are now quoting “typical evening speeds” which is simple way of saying the RSP will purchase enough CVC to support the typical speeds.

Note that most are quoting typical speeds at 15% below the AVC. Say 2-3% for data overheads as AVC is level 2 and applications are level 7. So maybe 12% below AVC. The RSP are buying CVC to this. They could buy CVC to support a Level 7 speed = AVC but this would not be profitable.

 

[Lynda2475]

CVC is generally a moot issue these days

If this were true then all the RSP would publish ther charts to show their headroom - only Aussie Broadband and Superloop publish.

You can get a good "typical" evening speed of X because this is measured over hours every day over the month across every POI the RSP operates on, BUT it doenst mean there isnt congestion at the busiest hour on some on the POIs. Plus some RSPS ramp their cvc up and down a couple times a day reactive when things get tight (so can lag).

At the moment nbn is giving all RSPS an extra 40% headroom on their CVC purchase for free because of the pandemic, so even the coughpier RSPs look good at the moment. But when we go back and RSPs have to pay for the proper levels, you will see who the cough ones are again.