NBN Discussion

Technology Choice Program costs to upgrade to Fibre to the Property (FTTP) have dropped dramatically since 30 June.

I got a quote for $2k to upgrade from FTTC to FTTP this week. I’ll be proceeding. I’m sure for anyone working from home the lower latency and higher speed potential (plus better reliability) of FTTP are worth considering at $2k.

Not long ago FTTC-> FTTP was more like $6-$8k according to the spreadsheet on Whirlpool.
It’s just a pity the MTM NBN was ever instigated...
 
I’m sure for anyone working from home the lower latency and higher speed potential (plus better reliability) of FTTP are worth considering at $2k.
Lower latency yes
Higher speed potential yes
Better reliability yes

Working from home will benefit from a FTTP upgrade?. Not necessarily.

Is $2k worth the consideration?
Maybe - depends on the relative value to the person.

If fibre is so good, why not pull the trigger at $10k, $20k. Why were lots of people in whirlpool saying they won’t pay $10k or more if fibre is so good. At some point the value of fibre does not justify the cost.

if people only buy TCP at $3k or less what does that say about the relative value of FTTP?
 
if people only buy TCP at $3k or less what does that say about the relative value of FTTP?

I find it amusing that people in 2020 are decrying FTTC - I mean the only feasbile way these people are connected to the NBN are either FTTC, FTTN or HFC. The process of entering premises to terminate FTTP was the entire reason the rollout was falling behind. All of these technologies leveraged existing last mile technologies and that was the only way NBN was delivered by 2020.
 
I’ve submitted a TCP for FTTC-FTTP.
I’ll see how I go with the price. If below $3k I’ll pull the trigger.
I won’t need speeds greater than 50Mbps. Maybe in the future I will - so I can wait if price is more than $3k
 
I have two, physically separated, HFC connections. One through NBN (MyRepublic) and one through Optus. Both are 100/40 for which I pay a total of around $160 pcm.
I use the NBN for the kids wifi (streaming, gaming, iPads, Laptops etc) given the noticeably lower latency and higher average upload speeds, and the other for my wired network (work and home PCs, Foxtel IQ, NAS box etc) where speed and latency aren't as important.
In the event one service goes down, I can do a quick wiring change to connect a bridge and the other service takes the load through failover settings in the twin synology routers. The setup works well and I'm very happy with it.
Optus keep calling me and asking me to move my existing Optus HFC service to their NBN HFC offering, which as far as I know, means my other NBN connection will be discontinued. I've told Optus I don't want to change anything as I am perfectly happy with the current setup. They don't seem to know about the MyRepublic NBN service being connected already.

Can anyone advise if I will only be able to have my residential property connected to the NBN HFC via one provider? Is this a rule that is enforced?
 
I won’t need speeds greater than 50Mbps

Then why bother with Tech Choice, should be able to easily get 50 on FTTC at no extra cost.

Can anyone advise if I will only be able to have my residential property connected to the NBN HFC via one provider? Is this a rule that is enforced?

The nbn hfc modem you currently have installed will only support one RSP at a time. You can request a second HFC connection at your home, but will need a new second lead in, wall plate and modem, so you would need to fund this as nbn only provides 1 free install per property. The optus HFC network is completely separate network, so if you switch your optus over to nbn it will disconnect your My Republic.

You can now get higher bandwidth plans on nbn hfc 250Mb, 500MB and possibly 1Gb, depending on area. But only some RSPs sell them i.e Aussie Broadband.

So you could disconnect/cancel your optus hfc (they will force you eventually as they get a payment from nbn when they turn it off) and upgrade your exisiting nbn connection.

Or request optus send you a 5G modem to replace hfc if you are a service area. The optus 5G modem is unlimited data for $60 a month and can get speeds over 200mb but has very limited footprimt, i was trialling one and it worked well but would only get a signal balanced in my kitchen window.
 
I have two, physically separated, HFC connections. One through NBN (MyRepublic) and one through Optus. Both are 100/40 for which I pay a total of around $160 pcm.
I use the NBN for the kids wifi (streaming, gaming, iPads, Laptops etc) given the noticeably lower latency and higher average upload speeds, and the other for my wired network (work and home PCs, Foxtel IQ, NAS box etc) where speed and latency aren't as important.
In the event one service goes down, I can do a quick wiring change to connect a bridge and the other service takes the load through failover settings in the twin synology routers. The setup works well and I'm very happy with it.
Optus keep calling me and asking me to move my existing Optus HFC service to their NBN HFC offering, which as far as I know, means my other NBN connection will be discontinued. I've told Optus I don't want to change anything as I am perfectly happy with the current setup. They don't seem to know about the MyRepublic NBN service being connected already.

Can anyone advise if I will only be able to have my residential property connected to the NBN HFC via one provider? Is this a rule that is enforced?
Funny I asked this very question the other day. An in-the-know RSP can get a second NBN HFC box installed with a splitter, not a second lead in. Based on what I uncovered, you have to be *very* careful the person lodging the order knows that they’re doing otherwise your other NBN connection will be terminated/churned.

I know Future Broadband can do this. I would not place an online order - I’d do it by phone with whichever RSP you pick.
 
but will need a new second lead in, wall plate and modem, so you would need to fund this as nbn only provides 1 free install per property. The optus HFC network is completely separate network, so if you switch your optus over to nbn it will disconnect your My Republi
He already has 2 separate HFC connections.
All he needs is a second LocID and a NBN HFC modem
Just need to explain to RSP he has 2 separate HFC connection and they will arrange a second LocID for the ex Optus HFC cable .

HOWEVER, I thought the Optus HFC network was not fit for purpose and NBN was not going to use the Optus HFC for the NBN HFC network.
If so only one HFC is able to be used for NBN.
The reason Optus is offering NBN is NBN HFC is RTC for that address. - just not using their old HFC cable network.

Then why bother with Tech Choice, should be able to easily get 50 on FTTC at no extra cost.
Reliability. Every time it rains the speed goes down: old cooper
 
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This is interesting. We will all wish we had FTTP since it looks like this would apply.

 
This is interesting. We will all wish we had FTTP since it looks like this would apply.

Imagine the monthly cost.
I will soon be able to get 1,000Mbps but the cost....
 
He already has 2 separate HFC connections.
All he needs is a second LocID and a NBN HFC modem
Just need to explain to RSP he has 2 separate HFC connection and they will arrange a second LocID for the ex Optus HFC cable .

Nope. Nbn will not use the old optus hfc connection, only the old telstra/foxtel hfc network. He has a nbn connection at the address from My Republic using the assigned nbn loc id and equipment.

If you request the splitter and get a second nbn modem, you will get lesser performance (as you are sharing physical bandwidth across 2 connections with 2 lots of rsp overhead). Versus requesting a secind lead in from the tapso not sharing a single connection.

The more ecoomical route, if 100/40 isnt enough, is to just upgrade to a higher plan with one rsp (if my republic wont sell it, switch to Aussie or another rso who does).
 
Fixation on speed tests....
Sort of like quoting the top speed a car can do...
Too bad that Netflix only does about 25Mbps peak rate for 4K. Mostly about 17Mbps.
Not really. It’s like the lanes on a freeway. 100/40 is a minimum you should aim for given CVC. 250 would be better. It’s quite appalling that NBN limit or charge extra for higher speeds. Doesn’t cost them any more.

And Australia is something like 56th in the world now for internet speeds.
 
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Doesn’t cost them any more

At an individual level yes.. if there is excess capacity.

But it's a bit like the argument for upgrading you to Business because there are spare seats.
Works for an individual, but a problem if every Plat/Gold member expects it
 
Fixation on speed tests....

Exactly. I used to get 800+mbps speedtests from my Singapore NBN equivalent connection, which is great, but that's to a university speedtest node within the country, and just like every GPON network it's a burst rate that doesn't take into account overall utilization due to the shared OLT optical branch. What the providers did was to rate limit international transit based on your plan, and that's what meant anything at all.

After you have downloaded a few ISO files from inside the country, there isn't much local content left to use that local bandwidth on. To be fair, it is useful if you have some local friends who you want to be able to stream your content but it's also the sort of metric that leads to getting rated much higher in international bandwidth ratings than a country like Australia which is constrained to technologies that don't offer that sort of bandwidth in rural areas, whereas Singapore is a country of high-rise buildings that are all effectively within a metro area, with fibre run to basements and then distributed throughout the building from there.

How will you ever compete with that? You could have 10Gbps to the premises for 60% of Australia and you'd probably still end up with a worse metric based on the fact that we have (international - from EU/US) distance, population, population density and rural constraints that a lot of the high-ranking asian countries on the list don't content with, hence why the bandwidth rankings are utterly useless for real world comparison.

Not really. It’s like the lanes on a freeway. 100/40 is a minimum you should aim for given CVC. 250 would be better. It’s quite appalling that NBN limit or charge extra for higher speeds. Doesn’t cost them any more.

Sure, all it would take us for we taxpayers to fund it for another decade to profitability, so people who don't use the extra bandwidth can say they have it. What exactly can't be done on today's NBN broadband connections that would suddenly be unlocked for a large proportion of the population if this were done? Surely there's a need to justify the expenditure of public money just to..... boost our international bandwidth rating credentials?
 
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Nope. Nbn will not use the old optus hfc connection, only the old telstra/foxtel hfc network. He has a nbn connection at the address from My Republic using the assigned nbn loc id and equipment.

If you request the splitter and get a second nbn modem, you will get lesser performance (as you are sharing physical bandwidth across 2 connections with 2 lots of rsp overhead). Versus requesting a secind lead in from the tapso not sharing a single connection.

The more ecoomical route, if 100/40 isnt enough, is to just upgrade to a higher plan with one rsp (if my republic wont sell it, switch to Aussie or another rso who does).


Thanks for all the info from various poster. I had assumed that the legacy Optus HFC would not be utilised for NBN hence why I assumed I could only get one NBN lead-in (the existing MyRepublic one). I also assumed a second lead in would not be allowed. That would be my preference so I'll investigate that.
I haven't found any available plans on any ISP for my address which are higher than 100/40, however
my use case is centered on two separate WAN connections for redundancy (WAN and LAN) and security, not one with higher speed. Worst case for redundancy is I could use a 4G/5G dongle in my router as it supports failover and I will have a spare replica router once Optus is removed. This still gives me a flat internal network though which I'd like to avoid so may have to investigate any subnetting support in my router, which is still not ideal from a security perspective..
Needs more thinking time.
 
Exactly. I used to get 800+mbps speedtests from my Singapore NBN equivalent connection, which is great, but that's to a university speedtest node within the country, and just like every GPON network it's a burst rate that doesn't take into account overall utilization due to the shared OLT optical branch. What the providers did was to rate limit international transit based on your plan, and that's what meant anything at all.

After you have downloaded a few ISO files from inside the country, there isn't much local content left to use that local bandwidth on. To be fair, it is useful if you have some local friends who you want to be able to stream your content but it's also the sort of metric that leads to getting rated much higher in international bandwidth ratings than a country like Australia which is constrained to technologies that don't offer that sort of bandwidth in rural areas, whereas Singapore is a country of high-rise buildings that are all effectively within a metro area, with fibre run to basements and then distributed throughout the building from there.

How will you ever compete with that? You could have 10Gbps to the premises for 60% of Australia and you'd probably still end up with a worse metric based on the fact that we have (international - from EU/US) distance, population, population density and rural constraints that a lot of the high-ranking asian countries on the list don't content with, hence why the bandwidth rankings are utterly useless for real world comparison.



Sure, all it would take us for we taxpayers to fund it for another decade to profitability, so people who don't use the extra bandwidth can say they have it. What exactly can't be done on today's NBN broadband connections that would suddenly be unlocked for a large proportion of the population if this were done? Surely there's a need to justify the expenditure of public money just to..... boost our international bandwidth rating credentials?
It will cost us all much much more in the future to upgrade Turnbull's "Mixed Technology" systems.
 

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