NBN Discussion

[33kft]

It will cost us all much much more in the future to upgrade Turnbull's "Mixed Technology" systems.

No, it won't. There is no way it would be either easier or cheaper to replace the last mile technology now, especially when nobody is really missing out on anything. You didn't answer my question about the actual problem (just vague hand waves about our global rankings/political point scoring) but the actual question is what is missing. What makes this "upgrade" so important. Our power doesn't come in via gold conductors (in most cases, anyway) and our internet doesn't come from the street to the house via a piece of glass (in some cases, anyway) and apparently this makes our network 3rd world?

If your answer to what you are missing is 1Gbps (which you would not be able to achieve, sustained, on the GPON infrastructure used for NBN as it is a time-division multiple access medium) then I would counter that I don't have 100Gbps. I doubt either of us could provide actual proof we needed either of those, nor would either of us be likely to be prepared to pay for the actual costs involved, but I am sure both would be prepared for someone else to pay for it for us. Unfortunately as both an Australian taxpayer and NBN customer I can assure you we would be paying extra for either of those options, even if we didn't subscribe to them. I don't see that being a good thing? It's like paying for much more expensive 5G infrastructure while having a 4G phone, because it's newer and better - and no, that is not what is happening because the Australian taxpayers have not funded any carrier's 5G network and my retail phone costs haven't gone up.

It ignores the fact that the NBN has performed fine during the pandemic, a time when relying on existing decaying infrastructure like the trash Telstra RIM infrastructure I was on prior to the NBN would have resulted in actual real technical limitations that probably would have made today's work from home environment less productive, and probably would have impacted the economy.

I can't translate "I am opposed to Malcolm Turnbull's TCP program" into an actual technical issue, so I am still none the wiser as to what we have lost. Bragging rights? The ability to upgrade to speeds not yet offered on the platform, and that 99% of subscribers are not prepared to pay for? And given there's an option for the remaining 1% to pay to get that access (putting their money where their mouth is) then what is the actual problem again?

 

[Buzzard]

2018 Madrid apartment. Wifi speeds off wired router.

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when will we if ever get proper Broadband in Australia?

1000Mbps is available to some but it's very expensive.
Overall I still think our NBN is still third world.

 

[Guvner]

I made some inquiries re fiber and received this from Exetel:

I took the liberty of running a check to see what services are available for your site and the service qualification checks for <my address> indicate that the most lucrative option in terms of pricing is a Telstra Fibre service.

The pricing is as follows:



Ethernet over Fibre via Telstra Infrastructure

Line Speed​	Downloads included​	36/48 Month Installation fee (Inc GST)​	36 Month Access Charge (Inc GST)​	48 Month Access Charge (Inc GST)​
50Mbps/50Mbps​	Unlimited​	$0.00​	$650​	$625​
100Mbps/100Mbps​	Unlimited​	$0.00​	$775​	$725​
200Mbps/200Mbps​	Unlimited​	$0.00​	$900​	$850​
500Mbps/500Mbps​	Unlimited​	$0.00​	$1.050​	$900​
1Gbps/1Gbps ​	Unlimited​	$0.00​	$1,100​	$900​

Incentives (Applicable on 36/48 month contract term):

Incentive​	Incentive​
Option 1​	2 Free Months + Free Cisco Router​
Option 2​	3 Free Months​

Note:

• Prices are INC GST.
• Includes unlimited data.
• $0.00 activation to over 250,000 buildings, please contact us to confirm if this promo applies to your building.
• All our plans are inclusive of SLA of 99.95% uptime guarantee, 1:1 contention and free business hours support.

Whilst the "free" install is attractive, as is the 1:1 ratio, its hard to justify the monthly cost for a 50/50 or 100/100 service. Anyone have experience with this product?

 

[33kft]

Anyone have experience with this product?

Yes, this isn't NBN but is symmetric ethernet over fibre, meaning an actual dedicated switch port in an exchange delivering an ethernet service. You'll actually be able to consume the bandwidth you reserve in a sustained manner, with neither the downstream (broadcast in GPON/NBN) or upstream (TDMA in GPON/NBN) shared channels that passive optical networks like the NBN use in their FAN.

 

[Guvner]

Aussie Broadband have a free fiber FTTP install offer, 250/100 (NBN TC-4) for $300 per month which is tempting me to investigate further.

 

[jb747]

Locally there are techs rewiring the NBN already. Seems they just realised it doesn't play well with ground water.

 

[DeKa]

Aussie Broadband have a free fiber FTTP install offer, 250/100 (NBN TC-4) for $300 per month which is tempting me to investigate further.

Do you have a link to the offer? I can’t find it on their site.
Is it NBN Enterprise Ethernet?

 

[Guvner]

The link was actually a banner ad on this AFF site.Link here

 

[DeKa]

Thanks. It’s Enterprise Ethernet which is a different product- you can’t sign up for EE and switch to consumer NBN in the future.

 

[Guvner]

Thanks. It’s Enterprise Ethernet which is a different product- you can’t sign up for EE and switch to consumer NBN in the future.

I'm not looking to swap, I'm looking at keeping my NBN HFC and adding an EE.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Well, bugg*r me. Switched from cable to NBN this morning and was expecting whole day or pain trying to configure my Fritzbox 7590 to connect to the NBN and phone through the Telstra Gen 2 router. Playing with bridge mode etc, trying to get SIP passthrough...

Plugged in Fritzbox WAN connection to port 1 on Gen 2, Gen 2 phone out to PSTN phone in on Fritzbox, and it all just worked! Amazed.

It gives me 110/18 but that's same download but better upload speed than what we used to get on Cable.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Finally!

Two million homes to get access to NBN fibre-to-the-home in $3.5b plan

A new fibre rollout is tipped to create 25,000 jobs and start within months, with two million eligible premises able to demand fibre-to-the-home.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Quickstatus]

NBN 2.0:

$4.5 billion NBN investment to bring ultra-fast broadband to millions of families and businesses and create 25,000 jobs

Around eight million Australian homes will have access to ultra-fast broadband speeds of up to 1 Gigabit per second (Gbps) following an upgrade to the Nation

minister.infrastructure.gov.au

 

[Lynda2475]

To get the upgrade you have to commit to (sign-up for) a service which is >100MB (or greater than your current line can service). They are only going to upgrade lead-ins if there is guaranteed revenue. This is smart to ensure they dont waste resources on home/business that dont need/want gigabit speeds.

 

[Quickstatus]

Will still be cheaper than a TCP for FTTN—P
The condition of higher AVC is not forever - I think about 2 years.

FTTC will get Gfast
HFC will get Docsis and capacity upgrades
Only some FTTN will be eligible - I think those whose line speeds are below 50/20.

FW and Sat will get the crumbs under the table

 

[33kft]

To get the upgrade you have to commit to (sign-up for) a service which is >100MB (or greater than your current line can service). They are only going to upgrade lead-ins if there is guaranteed revenue. This is smart to ensure they dont waste resources on home/business that dont need/want gigabit speeds.

Absolutely, especially given the distribution of people across the lower speed tiers (12Mbps, 25Mbps and 50Mbps). The vast majority of households are on 50Mbps, but there's still some 25% of households between 12Mbps and 25Mbps (source: Incredibly, NBN Co reports that the number of awful 12/1 Mbps connections has increased - Ausdroid). It just would not make sense to outlay the investment for FTTP for those households.

 

[TheRealTMA]

To get the upgrade you have to commit to (sign-up for) a service which is >100MB (or greater than your current line can service). They are only going to upgrade lead-ins if there is guaranteed revenue. This is smart to ensure they dont waste resources on home/business that dont need/want gigabit speeds.

Is there a link to this somewhere?

 

[Lynda2475]

Is there a link to this somewhere?

Per High-speed internet on the way for millions under major NBN backdown

The Federal Government said the upgrade would involve expanding the Fibre To The Node (FTTN) system by building "local fibre networks" that would run along street fronts, enabling people to connect their homes directly to the network when they wanted.

"Very importantly, it will be based on the principle of demand," Communications Minister Paul Fletcher said.

"So we'll roll the fibre down the street, but then the fibre lead into the home will only be built when there's a customer order."

There will also be upgrades on the Hybrid Fibre Coaxial (HFC) network to support faster speeds, work on the Fibre To The Curb (FTTC) network to deliver "consistent" speeds of 100 megabits per second and work to resolve in-home cabling issues for houses on the FTTN network.

 

[Guvner]

I have two HFC connections, both consistently over 100Mbps with no dropouts.
Is there someone with authority I can contact to beg that they don't touch a thing in my street?

 

[NM]

My FTTN gets me modem sync rate around 60/22. So I am paying for a 50/20 service which is pretty much what I get consistently. If I was guarenteed a minimum of 100/40 at a $$$ rate no more than 25% more that I pay today, I would happily agree to a 24-month contract. Do I need more than 50/20 today? Probably not. How often would I exceed 50/20 if it was available? Probably only a few short bursts a day.