NBN Discussion

[moa999]

FW and Sat will get the crumbs under the table

Long term I suspect a deal with Elon Musk

 

[tomlee1986]

Finally!

Two million homes to get access to NBN fibre-to-the-home in $3.5b plan

A new fibre rollout is tipped to create 25,000 jobs and start within months, with two million eligible premises able to demand fibre-to-the-home.

www.theage.com.au

This is a nice thing to have, but with technology changes so quickly, it may be out of date very quickly too

 

[TheRealTMA]

This is a nice thing to have, but with technology changes so quickly, it may be out of date very quickly too

A good fibre connection won't go out of date very quickly. That's was the whole point of the original plan. 1-10Gbps easily achievable.

 

[tomlee1986]

A good fibre connection won't go out of date very quickly. That's was the whole point of the original plan. 1-10Gbps easily achievable.

The situation is there is the 5G to think about as well... not saying fibre connection will be bad or anything like that, but there are competitions out there... I agree fibre is superior, but like i said.. competition is going to be fierce

 

[Quickstatus]

The current 5G is not the real 5G imo. It’s more like an extension of 4G

the real 5G is the mm wave technology. That requires lots of fibre.

 

[Brissy1]

competition is going to be fierce

When the wholesaler is a monopoly? Got the dreaded letter, must move from Optus cable to nbn before 23sept. but I didn't. Best nbn option I could find costs more yet provides less... after spending $50,000,000,000 and given a monopoly no wonder.
Anyone held onto non-nbn until forced disconnection? How long do I have?

 

[JessicaTam]

When the wholesaler is a monopoly? Got the dreaded letter, must move from Optus cable to nbn before 23sept. but I didn't. Best nbn option I could find costs more yet provides less... after spending $50,000,000,000 and given a monopoly no wonder.
Anyone held onto non-nbn until forced disconnection? How long do I have?

Would wireless internet work in your area?

 

[Brissy1]

Would wireless internet work in your area?

Marginal 5g, Optus only. Likely future option.

 

[serfty]

The current 5G is not the real 5G imo. It’s more like an extension of 4G

the real 5G is the mm wave technology. That requires lots of fibre.

I am not sure what you mean.

5G is mm wave ... using previously underutilised bands.

Do you indicate the current 5G implementation is low band only?

... and why "lots of fibre"? (Unless you are implying contention?)

5G - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Anyone held onto non-nbn until forced disconnection? How long do I have?

Apparently we held on to ADSL2 for over 12 months before our current retailer said a NBN person is coming to connect. (I felt it was 6 months but heck time flies during a pandemic)

We had 3 NBN visits in the space of 2 weeks and no progress because every visit thought we had an easy job of an existing FOXTEL connection to piggy off.

Finally connected. More expensive plan. Apparently faster but feels no different to our previous ADSL2

 

[moa999]

Apparently faster but feels no different to our previous ADSL2

For basic web browsing probably not.
But try downloading something or multiple Netflix etc streams and you'll notice the difference

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

For basic web browsing probably not.
But try downloading something or multiple Netflix etc streams and you'll notice the difference

We don't have that need.....lol

 

[NM]

There is no carrier services in Australia today that run in the mmWave band. Telstra and Vodafone have some 5G coverage in "low band" range (Telstra in the 850MHz band and Vodafone in the 700MHz band). Optus uses 2300MHz and all three telcos have 5G in the 3500MHz band. The Telstra and Vodafone services in the lower bands will provide greater geographic cover, but limited maximum bandwidth per connection.

mmWave (25-39GHz) covers a much lower radial distance from the cell transmitter/receiver (maximum of about 200m), requiring greater number of cells to cover an area. Hence the comment above about needing more fibre to connect these cells. To the best of my knowledge, there are no commercial operational mmWave cells in Australia yet. Expect the initial mmWave deployments to be in very limited geographic spaces where there is demand for high user/device density, such as buildings, stadiums, convention halls etc.

The way we will use mmWave in homes is with high-speed fibre or mid-band cellular to the property and then a local micro-cell in the home providing the mmWave connectivity for all the in-home devices. So you QFF Shop Toaster talking to your KrisShop iPad communicate locally via mmWave, but the external communications is via the NBN fibre or 5G mid-band cellular.

Those lucky enough to get 5G mmWave in their street will likley still have their own mmWave micro-cell in their home with an external antenna on the roof or near a window, because mmWave penetration into buildings will be limited (higher the frequency, lower the wavelength and lower the penetration through dense materials.

 

[tomlee1986]

When the wholesaler is a monopoly? Got the dreaded letter, must move from Optus cable to nbn before 23sept. but I didn't. Best nbn option I could find costs more yet provides less... after spending $50,000,000,000 and given a monopoly no wonder.
Anyone held onto non-nbn until forced disconnection? How long do I have?

Wholesale is one thing, but the providers are the ones that offer the service to you on behalf of NBN... and you dont deal with NBN directly, but the retailers.. and also the cable connection is going to be lost no matter what.. as it is cancelled by operation of the law of Australia.. if not, you lose your landline services without NBN

 

[Guvner]

When the wholesaler is a monopoly? Got the dreaded letter, must move from Optus cable to nbn before 23sept. but I didn't. Best nbn option I could find costs more yet provides less... after spending $50,000,000,000 and given a monopoly no wonder.
Anyone held onto non-nbn until forced disconnection? How long do I have?

I have NBN HFC and my old Optus HFC connection.
Optus keep calling me to move me to NBN.... which is a whole other issue given they are informed by NBN that my address is not yet connected, which it is, with another ISP... So far they have given me about 4 different deadline dates over the past 12 mths, but I'm still connected.
So I am not doing anything until someone (metaphorically or otherwise) cuts the Optus cable. In which case I'll just stick with my current NBN provider.

 

[Guvner]

A good fibre connection won't go out of date very quickly. That's was the whole point of the original plan. 1-10Gbps easily achievable.

Agree. The NBN is like my old dad, both need more fibre to ensure a consistent throughput.

 

[Brissy1]

I have NBN HFC and my old Optus HFC connection.
Optus keep calling me to move me to NBN.... which is a whole other issue given they are informed by NBN that my address is not yet connected, which it is, with another ISP... So far they have given me about 4 different deadline dates over the past 12 mths, but I'm still connected.
So I am not doing anything until someone (metaphorically or otherwise) cuts the Optus cable. In which case I'll just stick with my current NBN provider.

Great. If (big if) I get another year I'll be happy

 

[TheRealTMA]

Agree. The NBN is like my old dad, both need more fibre to ensure a consistent throughput.

So "Do it once. Do it right. Do it with fibre" doesn't really apply in this case I guess

 

[Quickstatus]

Sorry @serfty . Was away but @NM gave a very good answer.

so yes current “5G” is a Claytons “5G”
And the short distances of mmWave 5G require lots of fibre to provide coverage to multiple microcells

 

[Quickstatus]

"Do it once. Do it right. Do it with fibre"

This is misleading.
The difference between original NBN1.0 (Kevin07) and NBN2.0 (MTM) is that 1.0 planned for fibre all the way to the premises for Greenfield and Brownfield fixed line premises. 2.0 only pulled fibre to Greenfield and some Brownfield. The majority of Brownfield re-used existing connections - Copper or HFC.

NBN built the distribution fibre network (DFN) to all the network. They just didn’t pull fibre to all the local network. So the local fibre network (LFN) is currently partially built.

Essentially NBN is pulling fibre in stages. All the DFN is built. Some of LFN is built. The remaining LFN yet to be built will be built in stages.

it is better to call the NBN project as a staged fibre project.

It is very rare for any infrastructure project to be built in such a way that covers the entire projected demand.