NBN Discussion

[777]

Re: NBN

I have a question *raises hand* that I'm not sure if has been answered as this is a long thread already.

A few months ago I had someone here installing fibre, at least to the end of my street - about 20m from the house, and was curious what would happen now that the NBN will be working under a different government. As it hasn't connected to my house, should I still expect only copper? Surely I could buy 20m of fibre if I wanted faster speeds?

Of course I guess this is all assuming they laid the fibre in my street right back to the node, and from there to more fibre?

Thanks to anyone who can get my head around that.

I believe the coalition will not cancel any build contracts so work partially completed should be finished. I would hope so unless it's on a separate contract.

 

[NM]

Re: NBN

There were 2 NBN people out the front of my work today going from pit to pit with a reel of yellow plastic cable feeding stuff, but no fibre to see, any idea what they would of been up to?

Perhaps checking the draw strings and capacity of the existing conduits in preparation for cables arriving soon. Better to identify any potential issues before you have the cable and crews sitting on the side of the road.

 

[Gareth Beames]

Re: NBN

Perhaps checking the draw strings and capacity of the existing conduits in preparation for cables arriving soon. Better to identify any potential issues before you have the cable and crews sitting on the side of the road.

Ah cool, must mean they will be rolling out NBN to us soon, can't wait

 

[codash1099]

Re: NBN

A post-election comment:

Can the Coalition's NBN keep pace with change? - The Drum (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

 

[ferni]

Re: NBN

A post-election comment:

Can the Coalition's NBN keep pace with change? - The Drum (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Quoting from that article what I've been trying to get across to many people...

American economic history teaches us a clear lesson about infrastructure," he said in a statement, "If we build it, innovation will come. The US needs a critical mass of gigabit communities nationwide so that innovators can develop next generation applications and services that will drive economic growth and global competitiveness.

 

[JessicaTam]

Re: NBN

I believe the coalition will not cancel any build contracts so work partially completed should be finished. I would hope so unless it's on a separate contract.

Here's hoping that the Coalition announce that it is too expensive to cancel any contracts and that the NBN will roll out as per it's initial design.

 

[awilcockson]

Re: NBN

Here's hoping that the Coalition announce that it is too expensive to cancel any contracts and that the NBN will roll out as per it's initial design.

That's what I am hoping for. We all know that Turnbull knows it to be the truth, otherwise he wouldn't be heavily invested in French and Spanish telecoms companies building FTTH networks.

 

[UP4014]

Re: NBN

Agree, I want fibre to my house.

 

[DC3]

Re: NBN

Yes. I want the NBN and I want it now.

 

[Shelf]

Re: NBN

Yes. I want the NBN and I want it now.

This.

I had an interesting discussion about the NBN with my parents (61 and 64yrs). They see no benefit of the NBN for the average punter, however I can see immense benefits for myself and would dearly love to have access to it now.

 

[markis10]

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Quoting from that article what I've been trying to get across to many people...

Ahh, the build it and they will come mentality, so what innovation had come out of South Korea that is miles ahead of the world in FTTH deployment (58% of homes connected) and has been so for ten years (apart from Internet connected fridges and Internet addiction) that can directly be attributed to FTTH enablement?

 

[777]

Re: NBN

Ahh, the build it and they will come mentality, so what innovation had come out of South Korea that is miles ahead of the world in FTTH deployment (58% of homes connected) and has been so for ten years (apart from Internet connected fridges and Internet addiction) that can directly be attributed to FTTH enablement?

Samsung is the world's largest IT company by revenue. It's rise to that position from a medium sized component manufacturer largely corresponds with the penetration of FTTH broadband in South Korea. It's over taken it's Japanese, American, Taiwanese and Chinese rivals exactly as its home market, research base and employees have had access to a national quality of internet service that is the best in the world.

I know you are going to argue that it can't be "directly attributed" but don't try and tell me world leading broadband hasn't been a significant competitive advantage.

 

[TheRealTMA]

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This.

I had an interesting discussion about the NBN with my parents (61 and 64yrs). They see no benefit of the NBN for the average punter, however I can see immense benefits for myself and would dearly love to have access to it now.

Have they come to grips with the benefits of electricity yet? I expect they don't see the need for new tangled things such as colour TV either... Sigh...

They will be the first generation to benefit from the ehealth benefits of the NBN, that's if the Libs still believe in wasting health technology on old(er) people.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Re: NBN

Ps. forgot the

 

[ferni]

Re: NBN

Ahh, the build it and they will come mentality, so what innovation had come out of South Korea that is miles ahead of the world in FTTH deployment (58% of homes connected) and has been so for ten years (apart from Internet connected fridges and Internet addiction) that can directly be attributed to FTTH enablement?

Did you read the article?

Would you prefer to be trying to build the network after the rest of the world has it and the innovation has already been done elsewhere?
Do we really want to be lagging behind the rest of the world on this?

 

[markis10]

Re: NBN

Samsung is the world's largest IT company by revenue. It's rise to that position from a medium sized component manufacturer largely corresponds with the penetration of FTTH broadband in South Korea. It's over taken it's Japanese, American, Taiwanese and Chinese rivals exactly as its home market, research base and employees have had access to a national quality of internet service that is the best in the world.

I know you are going to argue that it can't be "directly attributed" but don't try and tell me world leading broadband hasn't been a significant competitive advantage.

I would argue the Samsung were well on their way before the first FTTH project was connected, after all they overtook Sony in 2005 on the metric you are using, but what is the real impact on FTTH in Korea, for instance Korea has one of the lowest telecommuting rates in the world despite the infrastructure being in place for close to a decade?

 

[DeKa]

Re: NBN

This.

I had an interesting discussion about the NBN with my parents (61 and 64yrs). They see no benefit of the NBN for the average punter, however I can see immense benefits for myself and would dearly love to have access to it now.

Interesting. I had the same discussion with my parents and my parents in law - all the same age as yours.

My parents run a business from home and want NBN even more than me - the lack of affordable connections with more than 1Mbit upstream hampers them and they have to plan around transferring data overnight.

My parents in law don't care and think "wireless" is fine, but then they talk about lack of signal etc.

 

[markis10]

Re: NBN

Did you read the article?

Would you prefer to be trying to build the network after the rest of the world has it and the innovation has already been done elsewhere?
Do we really want to be lagging behind the rest of the world on this?

Yes I read the article, noted the apps were not here yet and how Chattanooga is the next Silicon Valley (not sure how many we need), but it makes no mention of those way ahead of the US and us, and what they have achieved. It just talks about potential, hence my question about South Korea given how long they have had FTTH and its coverage.

I would love high speed broadband every where we go, but fixed technologies are IMHO not the way of the future, mobile is the trend, given we cannot get good phone coverage let alone high speed data on our daily commute, one has to wonder about the value of the investment, and the world we love in once the rollout is completed in whatever form it takes.

 

[ferni]

Re: NBN

Yes I read the article, noted the apps were not here yet and how Chattanooga is the next Silicon Valley (not sure how many we need), but it makes no mention of those way ahead of the US and us, and what they have achieved. It just talks about potential, hence my question about South Korea given how long they have had FTTH and its coverage.

I would love high speed broadband every where we go, but fixed technologies are IMHO not the way of the future, mobile is the trend, given we cannot get good phone coverage let alone high speed data on our daily commute, one has to wonder about the value of the investment, and the world we love in once the rollout is completed in whatever form it takes.

The problem with mobile technologies is that they share the medium (radio waves) between you and the base station(PS, how do you get backhaul from base station?). The more people using it the worse it gets. There is absolutely a need for high speed mobile technology, we have some pretty good stuff now for example Telstra LTE (I can upload on my LTE smart phone faster than I can download on my home ADSL connection). The problem is it's not reliable/consistent due to congestion. If more people shift off fixed line and onto mobile as their primary use then it's just going to get worse. High speed mobile data will be there to complement high speed fixed line, like it is today.

Then you get to the physics side of it. Shared radio waves vs light down dedicated fibre. One of them is always going to be faster than the other...

 

[markis10]

Re: NBN

The problem with mobile technologies is that they share the medium (radio waves) between you and the base station(PS, how do you get backhaul from base station?). The more people using it the worse it gets. There is absolutely a need for high speed mobile technology, we have some pretty good stuff now for example Telstra LTE (I can upload on my LTE smart phone faster than I can download on my home ADSL connection). The problem is it's not reliable/consistent due to congestion. If more people shift off fixed line and onto mobile as their primary use then it's just going to get worse. High speed mobile data will be there to complement high speed fixed line, like it is today.

Then you get to the physics side of it. Shared radio waves vs light down dedicated fibre. One of them is always going to be faster than the other...

I agree mostly with that, but bandwidth is useless if its not where you need it. I see FTTH as highly political but very little realistic ROI at this stage, the gamble being spend the money now in the hope that silver bullet application will come justifying the ROI versus spending it on infrastructure where there is a real world demonstrated need. FWIW radio waves and light travel at the same speed, and radio waves are not shared in many cases, millimetre wave is where you probably see convergence of the two but with the benefit of mobility, a bit like beam forming/steering as it exists today in the wireless space.

Wish I knew the answer, I could make a lot of money....