NBN Discussion

The NBN is in my area!! I saw them threading that light blue cable fiber optic cable near my place. The website also confirms the fact. So apart from registering anything else to do?

If you're in a strata building with lots of units, hassle their contact us forms.

If you can convince them it's an easy get of a large number of properties, they might bite. They did for me :)

Just add 400% to their ETA and don't get your hopes up.
 
That's great to know that corporate data centres in any CBD can get great internet speeds. How does it help me when I'm a mere 8 km from the CBD and I can't get anything better than dial up speeds on ADSL? I'm more than willing to bet the population density within 8 km of Australian CBDs matches those in Portugal, or elsewhere in Europe.

I guess it's all ok because my Federal MP told us that we don't need anything better than ADSL speeds. Utter arrogance for that clown to think he knows what I need. To paraphrase John Howard - I will determine the internet speed that I require. Having done the course on Government models the version where the government tells you want you need comes straight out of the 1950s. No wonder this mob have failed so badly.

If Clive Palmer says something the truth is likely to be the opposite.

Google the Moonlight State by 4 Corners. Clive was right in the middle of all that, he well and truely knows about the LNP directing police. I'm suprised you can deny this fact.
 
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That's great to know that corporate data centres in any CBD can get great internet speeds. How does it help me when I'm a mere 8 km from the CBD and I can't get anything better than dial up speeds on ADSL?

It all depends when you want quicker speeds by. The MTM model is undoubtedly quicker (I think numbers quoted on Q&A last night were 2020 versus 2024-5).

The bigger issue with either NBN plan is the cost which needs to be paid for and the NBN gets its return via the CVC charge - currently $17.50/Mbps/user which means many RSPs are having huge problems over peak streaming time (6-9pm) as even someone on full fibre 100/40 plan is only having an average of 2-3 Mbps bandwidth purchased for them. If everyone is online the system slows to a halt.
 
Arrogance by Turnbull and Pyne.

It all depends when you want quicker speeds by. The MTM model is undoubtedly quicker (I think numbers quoted on Q&A last night were 2020 versus 2024-5).

The bigger issue with either NBN plan is the cost which needs to be paid for and the NBN gets its return via the CVC charge - currently $17.50/Mbps/user which means many RSPs are having huge problems over peak streaming time (6-9pm) as even someone on full fibre 100/40 plan is only having an average of 2-3 Mbps bandwidth purchased for them. If everyone is online the system slows to a halt.

Yeah, well NBN Co has no idea when they'll start in my area. At the rate that the schedule is blowing out I doubt I'll see anything by 2020. It's like waiting for godot.
 
Under either model someone is going to be first and someone last..

Sucks but that's life. Like getting a non-refurb 330
 
I have said this a million times, but my area was slated to get FTTP last year. The pits were even cleaned of asbestos. Now with faster, sooner cheaper all work has stopped because the government IIRC still haven't signed an agreement with Optus to use their antiquated HFC network which needs replacing.

Meanwhile NBN has a catchy internal nickname for their NBN HFC rollout.

"I know the internal nickname you've got for the HFC rollout, and it's not fit to actually describe on the public record: Operation Cluster … something," Mr Conroy told NBN chief executive Bill Morrow during a heated exchange at a Senate hearing on Tuesday.
 
Under either model someone is going to be first and someone last..

Sucks but that's life. Like getting a non-refurb 330 

My comment wasn't about first and last. It was about the claim that Fraudband will be quicker. This claim is quickly turning into a lie.
 
NBN got the "Streisand effect" this week.

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Meanwhile NBN has a catchy internal nickname for their NBN HFC rollout.

So the father of this entire "cluster" Sen Conroy is upset that his back of a serviette NBN pitched to Kevin Rudd is now over budget and running late because of politicians, in my opinion he need only look in the mirror to see one of the main problems with the NBN. I wonder why Telstra and Optus slowed down their investment and maintenance in some of their HFC networks? Hmm - wouldn't have anything to do with a certain ex-communications minister saying he was going to pay Optus to shut down its HFC assets and then pay to build over their HFC networks was it?

From 2007 to Sept 2013 under Conroys watch there were 100,000 NBN connections
Right now there are over a million NBN connections
 
So the father of this entire "cluster" Sen Conroy is upset that his back of a serviette NBN pitched to Kevin Rudd is now over budget and running late because of politicians, in my opinion he need only look in the mirror to see one of the main problems with the NBN. I wonder why Telstra and Optus slowed down their investment and maintenance in some of their HFC networks? Hmm - wouldn't have anything to do with a certain ex-communications minister saying he was going to pay Optus to shut down its HFC assets and then pay to build over their HFC networks was it?

From 2007 to Sept 2013 under Conroys watch there were 100,000 NBN connections
Right now there are over a million NBN connections

do keep up. Conroy's plans were scraped by Turnbull. the current fiasco is all Turnbull's to own.
 
I am 0 km from Melbourne CBD and have very slow ADSL2+ very slow not able to stream.
 
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I'm going to unsubscribe to this political discussion but if anyone has FTTB/Exetel/VDSL2 questions feel free to PM me.
 
Three chaps spent about two days all up installing my NBN optic cable down my 100m drive way to the box on the side of our house. Those same three chaps spent nearly two weeks doing my neighbour's place, including chopping up his concrete drive way, which is a lot longer than mine.

Funny thing is, after they completed my connection, about a week later a Telstra chap showed up, tested the connection and said it was fine. And that was that. About five weeks have elapsed since then and nothing more has happened.

So I am happily still using my ADSL2 and my copper wire for the phone.

Regards,
Renato
 
Politics aside, I was interested to see that NBN have a process called "Individual Premises Switch", which allows an individual homeowner to apply (and pay for) an upgrade from Sattelite, Fixed Wireless, FTTN and FTTB (soon HFC also) to FTTP. This comes at the homeowner's cost, but should pacify those who are unhappy with the technology being deployed to their premises. (see here: Individual Premises Switch | nbn - Australia's new broadband network)

Of course, anyone can pay right now to have Fibre dragged to their premises by one of the major business ISPs, but this would be a much lower cost solution as the NBN Fibre infrastructure would presumably be closer to the premises than those of the commercial business providers.

This seems like a good compromise for those who are obsessed with particular technologies.

Having worked in technology for nearly 20 years, I've noticed that people like to get fixated on particular technologies, rather than the outcomes. The original outcome for the NBN was to deliver ubiquitous high speed broadband where the private sector had found it uneconomical to do so. I have no doubt that those very same people who are jumping up and down about lack of FTTP will be, in the main, subscribed to the lowest bandwidths available, hence the requirement for the FTTP negated. Sure, in the future it would be great for FTTP to be ubiquitous, but realistically with land mass and population densities being what they are, it is not economical to publicly fund this.

Copper isn't dead. The majority of the US receive their high speed broadband (up to gigabits) over HFC copper networks. It is a relatively low cost technology compared to fibre, and if the technology and infrastructure is already in place, why would you overbuild it to achieve the same results?

Fixed connectivity is really on the way out for anyone other than content, hosting and service providers, all of which are businesses and usually located in appropriate data centres. Wireless technologies have improved in leaps and bounds and better suit Australia's vast distances and mobile lifestyles. Latency can be comparable to that of fibre, and bandwidth is getting up there too. Yes there will be spectrum issues, but there is significant under-utilised spectrum already available. Spectrums in use today will likely not be used tomorrow, such as analog radio, even digital television and radio as IP-based streaming will become the norm. Arguments about 4G/LTE cost are talking about today's retail providers, who really are gouging the market. I have no doubt that a second round NBN in later years will incorporate a 5G or newer mobile network, as it would have to. Home phone subscriptions are at an all time low. I personally haven't had one since the advent of naked DSL about 10 years ago.

As NBN customers are already seeing, the issue with having a 100Mbps pipe is backhaul. You do not have a dedicated 100Mbps path to the content provider, and this is compounded by contention ratios, all of which are controlled by the RSP (retail service provider). NBN charge the provider around $17.50 per Mbps. So if you wanted a dedicated 100Mbps path, it would cost your RSP $1750 per month, then you'd pay their retail service fees on top. This is actually quite a bit higher than a current commercial provider would charge for a business grade dedicated, uncontended 100Mbps fibre service. I think TPG offers these at around $299/mo plus a $5k setup fee. Telstra about $800/mo for the same type of service.

As for the timing of the rollout of NBN, anyone who has followed it closely knows that the original proposal was not properly costed, the project was not properly planned, and therefore the timeframes were, at best, a fantasy. With major infrastructure projects like this, it is difficult to estimate the complexity, timeframe and cost on a sheet of paper, it is only once you get out in the field and build it do the problems arise. Regardless of who is the government of the day, the same issues would have arisen. The current government have accelerated the rollout by using MTM (multi-technology mix) which leverages existing investments in infrastructure. It's a smart way of delivering the outcome, without being tied to a particular technology. Now those technologies themselves will have their own complexities and costs, but I think they are on the right track.

If there were unlimited public funds available (some seem to think this is the case), then building a ubiquitous FTTP network is clearly the best technological option for a fixed broadband network, but running thousands of kilometres of Fibre is extrememly expensive, and one wonders whether people who live in cities should be subsidising the broadband for people who choose to live in the middle of nowhere. I certainly have no issues in subsidising them to ensure they have reliable, relatively high speed connectivity, but to roll out Fibre everywhere with our land mass and population density would be an economic mistake IMHO.

Now, wait for the confected outrage...
 

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