NBN Discussion

[moa999]

Politics aside, I was interested to see that NBN have a process called "Individual Premises Switch", which allows an individual homeowner to apply (and pay for) an upgrade from Sattelite, Fixed Wireless, FTTN and FTTB (soon HFC also) to FTTP. This comes at the homeowner's cost, but should pacify those who are unhappy with the technology being deployed to their premises. (see here: Individual Premises Switch | nbn - Australia's new broadband network)

Yes.. but it comes with a $300 + $300 quote fee and they try and suggest lots of reasons why you shouldn't do it, and according to the few people who have applied on Whirlpool the quotes are rather expensive

 

[medhead]

but realistically with land mass and population densities being what they are, it is not economical to publicly fund this.

Why does this Zombie myth keep sticking its head up. There is no need to roll out cable to the entire australian land mass. That is a ludcrious claim to continue to make. The population density is certainly high enough where most of the population live. Please stop mentioning rubbish arguments.

as for confected outrage, all I want is better upload than 256kbps. within 8 km of the CBD that shouldn't be hard to achieve.

 

[marki]

German scientists have smashed the radio wave data-speed barrier by transmitting information equivalent to the contents of a conventional DVD some 37km in under 10 seconds.

The world record wireless transmission was achieved using modified radio wave transmitters, amped up to better detect broadband signals.

Six gigabits per second were sent the 36.7km distance from Cologne’s residential Uni-Center to the Fraunhofer Institute’s space observation radar.

The powerful tracking system is used to detect movements in outer space and is protected by one of the largest radar domes in the world, according to the Fraunhofer Institute website.

The large data transfer was carried out in a collaborative project known as ACCESS, involving engineers from the University of Stuttgart, the Fraunhofer Institute and Karlsruhe Institute of Technology.

NBN is old tech new WIFI tech is the way to go....

 

[medhead]

I'll put in my order for a powerful space observation radar when I get home.

More seriously, I highly doubt they've broken the fundamental laws of physics. (I know that's not the right terminology for all the pedants). the speed of light in air is fixed, I'm sure they didn't make a warp drive. Although if anyone could make a warp drive it'd be the Germans. Rather I'd suggest they had multiple parallel data feeds, or some other multiplexing technology.

 

[drsmithy]

This seems like a good compromise for those who are obsessed with particular technologies.

As has been pointed out numerous times, it's nothing to do with being "obsessed with particular technologies". It's about building a quality, scaleable, long-lived solution that doesn't have to be revisited, overhauled and reimplemented every decade.

Copper isn't dead. The majority of the US receive their high speed broadband (up to gigabits) over HFC copper networks. It is a relatively low cost technology compared to fibre, and if the technology and infrastructure is already in place, why would you overbuild it to achieve the same results?

Who in the US is putting new HFC into the ground instead of fibre ?

Fixed connectivity is really on the way out for anyone other than content, hosting and service providers, all of which are businesses and usually located in appropriate data centres. Wireless technologies have improved in leaps and bounds and better suit Australia's vast distances and mobile lifestyles.

This - with the paragraph along similar lines further along - is a furphy, as has also been pointed out multiple times. We have one of the most urbanised societies in the world. Densities in the places where fixed-lines would be run are not particularly low, and certainly comparable to those where other countries have FTTP.

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

Yes.. but it comes with a $300 + $300 quote fee and they try and suggest lots of reasons why you shouldn't do it, and according to the few people who have applied on Whirlpool the quotes are rather expensive

Of course it's expensive! That's what it would cost Joe Taxpayer too, but this puts the cost rightly back on to the consumer.

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

Why does this Zombie myth keep sticking its head up. There is no need to roll out cable to the entire australian land mass. That is a ludcrious claim to continue to make. The population density is certainly high enough where most of the population live. Please stop mentioning rubbish arguments.

as for confected outrage, all I want is better upload than 256kbps. within 8 km of the CBD that shouldn't be hard to achieve.

Are we rolling out cable or fibre?

You can have 25Mbps upload, via copper on FTTN.

So you're suggesting a multi technology mix, but Fibre to where you live?

 

[medhead]

Are we rolling out cable or fibre?

You can have 25Mbps upload, via copper on FTTN.

So you're suggesting a multi technology mix, but Fibre to where you live?

Seriously get a grip. Cable is a generic term in my post not a reference to a specific technology. Still I suppose you'd do anything to deflect from the ludicrous suggestion that the third boab tree from the left on the gun barrel highway needs NBN.

 

[travelislife]

Gee have said it before but imagine if we had this thinking 100 years ago! We never would have had the copper laid out nation wide (at a greater per capita cost than the original FTH NBN) and then what would the governments of today had to sell to the private sector!

 

[whatmeworry]

From 2007 to Sept 2013 under Conroys watch there were 100,000 NBN connections
Right now there are over a million NBN connections

Most of those One million connected, are connected to Labor's NBN. Please keep drinking the Kool-Aid of the LNP (Oh Yeah).

The most glaring problem is that McCrann appears to attribute much of the progress which the NBN rollout has made over the past two and a half years since the Coalition has been in power to Turnbull’s NBN strategy, noting that the NBN announced this week that it has about a million customers, compared to about 100,000 when the Coalition took power.
However, the columnist does not appear to have informed readers that the vast majority of those customers are connected to Labor’s original FTTP model. The Coalition has made little progress so far connecting customers to its MTM technologies.
In addition, this ‘ramp-up’ was predicted by both the NBN company and Labor. It took a number of years for the setup of the NBN company to take place from 2009; the rollout was always scheduled to accelerate in later years.
For both of these reasons, most of the NBN’s current success can be directly attributed to Labor, not the Coalition.

https://delimiter.com.au/2016/05/26/herald-sun-columnist-mccrann-gets-key-facts-wrong-nbn-attack/

 

[serfty]

...https://delimiter.com.au/2016/05/26/herald-sun-columnist-mccrann-gets-key-facts-wrong-nbn-attack/

Delimiter? Spare me ...

Sadly, their NBN articles are generally bordering on the evangelical and with that they have lost all credibility on the subject.

A for me, my general ADSL download speed recently increased from around 5.6 Mbs to 6.2 Mbs , good thing too as there is no date for my area on NBN.

 

[marki]

My speed revolves around 100k to 14Mbs in the city. YMML CBD area ( ADSL2 +) and ain't cheap

The picture show > 200Mbs down and 12.7 up. TXL CBD area

All costs 29 Euro Germans can do it

 

[moa999]

Delimiter? Spare me ...

Sadly, their NBN articles are generally bordering on the evangelical and with that they have lost all credibility on the subject.
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Sadly occurring in most media on most topics nowadays.

A well written balanced articles just doesn't sell papers or collect links. Better a one sided view with an exclamatory title!
Shame shame shame...

Agree that both delimiter and whirlpool are very much FTTP at any cost zealots.
Who then complain when the CVC charge (which needs to be that high to pay for it) means their peak speeds are impacted.

I don't agree with all of MTM (eg. Putting people on lines >500/750m) but much of it is a practical solution

 

[moa999]

The picture show > 200Mbs down and 12.7 up. TXL CBD area
All costs 29 Euro Germans can do it

And go into rural Germany and get next to nothing. The NBN is a big cross subsidy to rural/satellite customers.
Also the Germans don't have most of their traffic going over expensive fibre links to the US.

In a similar TPG fibrered Wondercom FTTB building in CBD areas you can get unlimited 100/40, unlimited local/national calls and 100min international for A$70/mth

 

[marki]

Moa999 I learned something Although rural DE has pretty good 3-4G coverage And a lot gave cable too

 

[prodaroda]

NBN has become a real joke.
6 years since its inception and I'm still waiting for my suburb, 13km from the CBD, to even be put on the planned rollout stage.
Funny thing is, our neighbouring building was built recently and has NBN access, but we don't.
WTF is going on?!

By the time we finally get NBN, better tech would probably be available. My 4G connection is already at 60mbps.

 

[Hvr]

There is a need for true NBN and the difference between the original plan and the second rate infrastructure being inflicted on us is painfully obvious in this story.

From the outside, it looks like any of the other houses in its street, the kind of inner-suburban bungalow coveted by renovators. But this little house in Brunswick tells a story, and one that is crucial to debate about Australia's national broadband network.


What the pair didn't realise is that they were getting a bonus. The studio is connected to the original fibre-to-the-premises NBN network. "We often joke it must have been a showroom for the NBN, and they threw every bit of technology they owned at it," laughed Opitz.

The music score for the mini-series INXS: Never Tear Us Apart was produced from the studio, a job that involved sending and downloading terabytes of sound files around the globe. "We move massive files," said Opitz. "And we do it in minutes."



Read more: A tale of two broadbands: music makers contend with best of download times, worst of download times

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[Buzzard]

NBN has become a real joke.
6 years since its inception and I'm still waiting for my suburb, 13km from the CBD, to even be put on the planned rollout stage.
Funny thing is, our neighbouring building was built recently and has NBN access, but we don't.
WTF is going on?!

By the time we finally get NBN, better tech would probably be available. My 4G connection is already at 60mbps.

I live only about 7km from the CBD and no sign of the NBN. I'm lucky to get over 2mbps on a good day.

 

[moa999]

There is a need for true NBN and the difference between the original plan and the second rate infrastructure being inflicted on us is painfully obvious in this story.

Completely misleading article..
The problem here the example is facing is peak hour congestion, which is due to the NBNs CVC charge ($17.50/Mbps/user but will fall slightly soon)

But this hits FTTP as much as FTTN.

Optus seems to be one of the worst providers because the numbers it has signed up on unlimited 100/40 plans.

 

[moa999]

NBN has become a real joke.
6 years since its inception and I'm still waiting for my suburb, 13km from the CBD, to even be put on the planned rollout stage.
Funny thing is, our neighbouring building was built recently and has NBN access, but we don't.
WTF is going on?!

By the time we finally get NBN, better tech would probably be available. My 4G connection is already at 60mbps.

A nationwide rollout takes time... full fibre takes even longer compared to MTM